temptrader
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chump,
You seem to hit on what I was saying. I'm a very bad communicator but my maths makes up for it. . (but alas I'm a bad logician)
The hard point is when you talk about a "winning" system. Me and my friend's horse racing system is what could be classified as such, but if you were to try and force it to give you more the system fails - because that's just one of the constraints on its parameters. We could, for example, make about £18K from it for the year. That just won't happen because of the bad days, each of which will cost you 2 days worth again. And sometimes you might get 3 bad days in the week - imagine how that would feel! The only thing making you do it is because at the bad of your mind you know it works! And you need to be incredibly calm and collected when you do it, and I suppose that is where the psychology comes in. The bottom line is still at the back of our heads that we know it works and are willing to accept its idiosyncratic behaviour from time to time.
Please give me an example of this, because if I know I have a FINITE FIXED amount of money to lose, and that my other money WILL NOT be touched by the method then I'm willing to give any method a try as long as its not wishy-washy in specification of instructions and does not involve one's own interpretation of data so the maker can blame you for your "wishy-washy" thinking. And any psychological barrier will be easily overcomed if I know I'm only going to lose a FIXED amount overall if the method fails. If I can't execute the method I don't participate in it period.
TheBramble,
if TR likes to make money he could have only charged £40 per person for his shows and they'll turn up by the thousands and he'll still make money. Some saying that he charges over £4K for a seminar only tells me the size of his ego.
I suppose it is an exchange of goods, and at the end of the day one asks oneself: "did I really get what I paid for". With the material from VS you can tell simply because we CAN prove that his methods does not work, and what invalidates it more is that it is freely available here without so much as a footnote mention. With someone like TR we don't have that brutal luxury and people will "interpret" and "make what they will" of his materials.
Anyone can set themselves as a life coach and talk a load of positive attitude nonsense. All because someone charges a lot of money for doing it does not necessarily imply that what they're doing is correct. Throughout human history massive groups of people have be influences in doing things that, with hindsight, they rather NOT have done. Such is the human condition.
fastnet,
professional sports coaches only coach those that have made the grade, those they believe that have what it takes to succeed. Mr Robbins deals with the lowest common denominator, and from this he gets widespread appeal to increase market penetration. If you have a coach to pursue a pleasure that is another matter because it means doing well in a competition might not be an influencing factor.
In contrast when you want to train for a profession you are given study books and have to sit and pass exams in order for you to be selected. A tutor helps only if you have it in you in the first place. He will simply point you on the right track to avoid a much longer road to your goal. But you also have the catch 22 question of whether you have it in you and won't know unless you try.
Most of Mr Robbins material about motivation, self questioning, and all that can be written by anyone. It's a no brainer petty piece of doped up writing that just narrowly misses the mark. Or maybe he was the first person to do this and start off the whole self help industry that is a major embarassment to Western Society to this day. But hey, that's just my opinion and I'll stop here
You seem to hit on what I was saying. I'm a very bad communicator but my maths makes up for it. . (but alas I'm a bad logician)
The hard point is when you talk about a "winning" system. Me and my friend's horse racing system is what could be classified as such, but if you were to try and force it to give you more the system fails - because that's just one of the constraints on its parameters. We could, for example, make about £18K from it for the year. That just won't happen because of the bad days, each of which will cost you 2 days worth again. And sometimes you might get 3 bad days in the week - imagine how that would feel! The only thing making you do it is because at the bad of your mind you know it works! And you need to be incredibly calm and collected when you do it, and I suppose that is where the psychology comes in. The bottom line is still at the back of our heads that we know it works and are willing to accept its idiosyncratic behaviour from time to time.
Please give me an example of this, because if I know I have a FINITE FIXED amount of money to lose, and that my other money WILL NOT be touched by the method then I'm willing to give any method a try as long as its not wishy-washy in specification of instructions and does not involve one's own interpretation of data so the maker can blame you for your "wishy-washy" thinking. And any psychological barrier will be easily overcomed if I know I'm only going to lose a FIXED amount overall if the method fails. If I can't execute the method I don't participate in it period.
TheBramble,
if TR likes to make money he could have only charged £40 per person for his shows and they'll turn up by the thousands and he'll still make money. Some saying that he charges over £4K for a seminar only tells me the size of his ego.
I suppose it is an exchange of goods, and at the end of the day one asks oneself: "did I really get what I paid for". With the material from VS you can tell simply because we CAN prove that his methods does not work, and what invalidates it more is that it is freely available here without so much as a footnote mention. With someone like TR we don't have that brutal luxury and people will "interpret" and "make what they will" of his materials.
Anyone can set themselves as a life coach and talk a load of positive attitude nonsense. All because someone charges a lot of money for doing it does not necessarily imply that what they're doing is correct. Throughout human history massive groups of people have be influences in doing things that, with hindsight, they rather NOT have done. Such is the human condition.
fastnet,
professional sports coaches only coach those that have made the grade, those they believe that have what it takes to succeed. Mr Robbins deals with the lowest common denominator, and from this he gets widespread appeal to increase market penetration. If you have a coach to pursue a pleasure that is another matter because it means doing well in a competition might not be an influencing factor.
In contrast when you want to train for a profession you are given study books and have to sit and pass exams in order for you to be selected. A tutor helps only if you have it in you in the first place. He will simply point you on the right track to avoid a much longer road to your goal. But you also have the catch 22 question of whether you have it in you and won't know unless you try.
Most of Mr Robbins material about motivation, self questioning, and all that can be written by anyone. It's a no brainer petty piece of doped up writing that just narrowly misses the mark. Or maybe he was the first person to do this and start off the whole self help industry that is a major embarassment to Western Society to this day. But hey, that's just my opinion and I'll stop here
