And so to the challenge....

ChartMan

Legendary member
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I have read everything about Naz, L2, TA, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all. As an impartial judge and jury, here are my findings:

1: There are those that will never do anything but trade UK stocks. They feel at home, comfortable and at ease with what they are doing. They understand and recognise symbols such as BARC, MONI,LOG etc. and can relate to them.The wiser among them will just trade those stocks that have minimum spreads.
2: There are those that trade FUTS and Indies, perhaps including DOW and COMPX, because they understand those indices and they actually mean something to them.Spreads are generally good, DOW typically being 5-10 pts @10,000.
3 There are those that, for one reason or another, have seen the light, and switched their trading to US stocks/indices only.

I am assuming, that as this is a UK based BB, and that all active members/traders are UK resident and trading from a UK base.( in general).
Here are my thoughts as to why people don't / won't get the message.
Naz provides powerful reasoned arguments as to why we should all trade US and not UK. Broadly ,I agree with those arguments. The one exception is that you do NOT need to be a L2 wizard to trade US stocks.There is absolutely NO reason why those that use UK TA can't switch to US TA and continue their trading style. The main point here is that everyone has their OWN style of trading, be it scalping,swing, short term etc. In my opinion, to ask someone to alter their trading style is wrong, and can only lead to tears. That is not to say that with careful indoctrination ( as some have experienced already on this BB) one couldn't be persuaded of the virtues of US L2.
The real problem, as I see it, is that we are BRITISH and suffer from the BRIT syndrome . WE HATE CHANGE. I thought I hated cars with automatic gear change until I tried one. Now I think it's a dream. I'm convinced the problem is change and fear of the the "unknown". I know it is for me :(
So here is the challenge:
For those in the know, how about getting an "information pack" together, so that anyone who seriously wants to give it a go, will have an smooth ride. There are forms to fill for "non resident" etc. blah blah- most daunting. There are brokers to chose and setup. Accounts to organise- are they UK or US based? There is dealing software to sort out. There are EOD charts to sort out. It goes on.
So maybe we should have a new Heading on the BB- HOW TO TRADE THE USA
Is this the route to conversion and better prosperity :)
 

Naz

Experienced member
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An excellent post Chartman looking at the overall picture as you did.Of course everyone trades the US differently and perhaps a new heading would allow people to view the different options available to everyone.

I would just like to say one thing if you want to trade Nasdaq level 2 just dont even think about it unless somebody teach's you.

My e-mail is [email protected] if anyone wants a quiet chat.
 
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Mr. Charts

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"I would just like to say one thing if you want to trade Nasdaq level 2 just dont even think about it unless somebody teach's you."

You must stop reading my mind, Naz! ;-)
Richard
 

neil

Legendary member
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Learning Package

You're both right.

I look forward to seeing the Information package referred to by chartman posted soon.

Regards

Neil
 

divinci

Junior member
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I think this pack would be a great idea!

I have come accross a few brick walls when trying to open accounts in the US that are able to show me the L2 quotes as I am not a US resident. I am not going to go and jump right in - just spend a couple of weeks testing the water and studying the movements of the L2 screens.

The nearest thing I am to getting these trial L2 quotes are downloading http://www.quotetracker.com/ and finding a cheap source that is available to the UK

Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated :D
 

longshot99

Newbie
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Something that I'm finding very useful in learning level 2 is the DirectAccessElite trial platform. Instructions for downloading can be found at http://www.directaccesselite.com/software.asp

So far I've found this to be a very good platform and very educational. When using the platform I've felt that I was "in control" of my trading. As Chartman and Naz have said, it is a very good idea to get a bit of education behind you before you start using level 2 in your share trading

Dave
 

nobrainer

Active member
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Glad to see ''that many traders have seen the light'' Mr Charts, and have moved over to the US....it leaves the field free for me to trade the UK.Whether trading the US leads to more prosperity I'm not so sure but have never tried it.
''British don't like change''....possibly true........personally I like to finish my trading by 16.40 and have every evening free.
Having been at the NWLondon meeting I feel that possibly many experienced traders are not fully aware of what the UK has to offer.
Good Luck regardless but I thought I'd put in a word for us ''uk traders''!!
 
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CityTrader

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Have you ever stopped to think how much easier it is to access to UK based information? For example it didn't take a genius to walk along any busy high street the week before xmas and see that W.H Smith were deserted with only a handful of people buying newspapers, whereas Woolworths were packed. How can you rate Walmart vs Costco like that? or realise from reading the UK press that the next rate hike has to be up? sure we all know the Americans love a weak dollar, it's election year, higher imports are slightly inflationary which suits- but which US stocks does a weaker dollar suit? fcked if I know- but I DO know that Signet ( hate to keep using retailers as an example ..sorry) earns over 50% of their profits in the USA and are getting fcked by the weaker dollar.

So it's a little disingenuous to claim that everyone should trade the US. Still I guess if I made a living from teaching courses that taught "how to trade the Athens exchange" i'd be pushing "why you should trade the Greek markets" as a posting..!
 

Trader333

Moderator
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CityTrader,

I trade the US for the following reasons:

1) Smaller bid -ask spreads
2) No stamp duty
3) A much larger number of high volume stocks to trade
4) A large number of stocks that move by more than 100 points daily
5) Cheaper, more reliable and a greater number of datafeeds
6) Much cheaper exchange subscription costs
7) Access to much more meaningful level II data
8) Cheaper commission costs

From your previous posts you appear not to be a technical trader and trade on instinct however as most on here do trade by TA and as such there are more reasons for them to consider US based trading than not to.

Each to their own


Paul
 

nobrainer

Active member
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Trader333, interesting points....apart from the stamp duty one which is frankly the case in the uk as well.
Instinct is far more enjoyable than TA surely!!Can't think of anything more boring than TA.
As you say , each to their own!!
Good luck.
 

BBB

Experienced member
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Trader 333 trades the US for the same reasons I do.

I'm sorry though, I do think it's a little short sighted to say x is better than y whether its a country, instrument or time frame.

Its all about personal choice and where the individual feels comfortable with x or y.

For instance, what if I was to say that everyone who doesn't trade futures is missing out on huge leverage and therefore profit? Especially if you want to day trade, but dont have $25k required in the US stocks. Both 'valid' statements, but day trading futures is a sure way to the poor house if you don't know what you're doing.
 

TheBramble

Legendary member
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nobrainer said:
.......personally I like to finish my trading by 16.40 and have every evening free.

Absolutely agree - but the opposite!

This really is a horses for courses situation. My own personal schedule means I'd much rather set aside say 14:30-15:30 and 19:00-21:00 each day for trading, leaving the rest of the time for other (equally interesting) activities.

Quite apart from the higher liquidity, greaster choice, small-to-no-spread with DA, higher 'inside' visibility....

I speak as an ex-UK stocks/indices/options trader.
 
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TheBramble

Legendary member
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CityTrader said:
it didn't take a genius to walk along any busy high street the week before xmas and see that W.H Smith were deserted with only a handful of people buying newspapers, whereas Woolworths were packed.

Good point - if you're into long-term investments over a period of weeks/months/years. In fact, this was the very method used by those (who were they - grannies investment club that wrote 'that' popular stock picking book) ladies in the US.

But for short-term/intraday, surely that info is of little-to-no practical use. NASDAQ LII offers a far greater depth of view of the instantaneous depth of the market.
 

Crossroads

Junior member
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nobrainer said:

''British don't like change''....possibly true........personally I like to finish my trading by 16.40 and have every evening free.

I also trade the US and for much the same reasons that Trader333 has listed. I never trade past 16:30 and am usually finished by 15:30, and have my mornings free too. Last time I looked there wasn't the same opportunity to capture the same size moves in about 1 hours trading on the UK stock market. But as others here have said, each to their own, you have to be comfortable with what you are trading or you will never make it work.

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Xroads
 
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triplepack

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The bramble , crossroads

Hi ,

I am in the process of doing my due diligence on nasdaq etc.,
and setting up my dat broker, may I ask which one you are using and what plusses or minuses you have encountered.

Triplepack
 
 
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