The Next US President

[Atilla]

Only problem is that people in Government do not want him. They know he would put most of them in jail so someone will probably assassinate him before he can take office. I would love to see what he would do.

Why would he put most of the people in current government in jail?

 

[counter_violent]

Only problem is that people in Government do not want him. They know he would put most of them in jail so someone will probably assassinate him before he can take office. I would love to see what he would do.

Vested interest in maintaining the system, corrupted by the system and in it for what they can get out of it ?

 

[rcbarlow]

Yes they are. Trump said he would put a stop to it.

 

[hhiusa]

Vested interest in maintaining the system, corrupted by the system and in it for what they can get out of it ?

China spends 2.1% of its GDP on the military.
The UK spends 2.4% of its GDP on the military.
The US spends 3.5% of its GDP on the military. They are pretty close in spending ratios.

Russia spends 4.5% of its GDP on the military.
UAE spends 5.1% of its GDP on the military.

The UK spends more money as a percentage of GDP than China does. That is even more ridiculous than what the US does. I know why the US spends as much as it does. Everyone, including the UK, complains to the US when they have a problem. Just look at the proportion of money, troops and aid that the UK gives compared the US. It is always abysmal. They expect us to do something about it. Why does a country that spends so little effort on wars and goes to war seldomly, spend so much money on the military?

If somebody makes more money they can afford to spend more on the same thing. If somebody makes $1,000,000 and spends $90,000/year in living expenses, then they are less in debt than somebody who makes $100,000 and spends $20,000/year in living expenses. While $20K is less than $90K, the raw numbers are meaningless by themselves without perspective.

 

[counter_violent]

China spends 2.1% of its GDP on the military.
The UK spends 2.4% of its GDP on the military.
The US spends 3.5% of its GDP on the military. They are pretty close in spending ratios.

Russia spends 4.5% of its GDP on the military.
UAE spends 5.1% of its GDP on the military.

The UK spends more money as a percentage of GDP than China does. That is even more ridiculous than what the US does. I know why the US spends as much as it does. Everyone, including the UK, complains to the US when they have a problem. Just look at the proportion of money, troops and aid that the UK gives compared the US. It is always abysmal. They expect us to do something about it. Why does a country that spends so little effort on wars and goes to war seldomly, spend so much money on the military?

If somebody makes more money they can afford to spend more on the same thing. If somebody makes $1,000,000 and spends $90,000/year in living expenses, then they are less in debt than somebody who makes $100,000 and spends $20,000/year in living expenses. While $20K is less than $90K, the raw numbers are meaningless by themselves without perspective.

Now what are you wittering on about?

In the current debt based system you (the US) are not paying for anything. All that happens is, the govt and it's agent (the FED) create more debt, print more worthless dollars to continue with this fiat money based Ponzi scheme.

Countries and their governments the world over are all playing the same game. All trying desperately to inflate their way out of trouble. Of course, none of them will be successful in this mission, it's called kicking the can down the road, storing up even more trouble. Instead of being responsible and dealing with the problem, it's just passed on for the next generation to deal with. This assumes that all these countries carry on playing the game. Should One or more of them decide to call time on this craziness, then Two things will happen. Total world economic collapse and wars on a scale never seen before.

The whole system is designed in such a way that average Joe does not understand what is going on, but every year he becomes poorer as inflation erodes his purchasing power and he has increased payments to service the debt. He just accepts his lot. What can he do after all ? Never going to climb out of that hole are ya Joe, they won't allow you to get ahead ! But don't worry about this life Joe, you are just a pawn in the system and soon enough you will be dead and all your troubles will be over !

Take a look at just how great the US is. I mean, staggeringly great !

http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/Documents/dollar/

 

[Atilla]

You mean he is going to take 'the' democratically elected leaders (including the Fed) of the US of A to court when he becomes elected him self?

Some interesting views here...

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/10/9126141/donald-trump-supporters


Do people really believe his tripe?

 

[Atilla]

Now what are you wittering on about?

In the current debt based system you (the US) are not paying for anything. All that happens is, the govt and it's agent (the FED) create more debt, print more worthless dollars to continue with this fiat money based Ponzi scheme.

Countries and their governments the world over are all playing the same game. All trying desperately to inflate their way out of trouble. Of course, none of them will be successful in this mission, it's called kicking the can down the road, storing up even more trouble. Instead of being responsible and dealing with the problem, it's just passed on for the next generation to deal with. This assumes that all these countries carry on playing the game. Should One or more of them decide to call time on this craziness, then Two things will happen. Total world economic collapse and wars on a scale never seen before.

Take a look at just how great the US is. I mean, staggeringly great !

http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/Documents/dollar/

Absolutely yes very true. If the dollar standard is ever questioned US goes sabre rattling.

Thank gold we have the backup currency.

 

[counter_violent]

Absolutely yes very true. If the dollar standard is ever questioned US goes sabre rattling.

Thank gold we have the backup currency.

Yes, interesting conundrum isn't it as to why gold is not doing so very well

Years ago land, water and food were not as scarce and gold was seen as something rare and precious.

Given the increase in world population and competition for basic natural resources, I suspect they value land for production of food much higher. Real tangible assets for when the going gets tough after the collapse.

edit..... Oops nearly forgot guns....hell yeah guns will do well....to keep the scum suckers off their land.

 

[Atilla]

Yes, interesting conundrum isn't it as to why gold is not doing so very well

Years ago land, water and food were not as scarce and gold was seen as something rare and precious.

Given the increase in world population and competition for basic natural resources, I suspect they value land for production of food much higher. Real tangible assets for when the going gets tough after the collapse.

edit..... Oops nearly forgot guns....hell yeah guns will do well....to keep the scum suckers off their land.

Always an interesting relationship with gold, oil and dollar. Arabs and Russians getting well and trully suckered. But cycles will play them selves out and gold will have it's day again. I think the terrain for oil will look much different in another 5 years time. Rise and strength of dollar is illusionary. Something as small as the Iraq war or even the Vietnam war was sufficient to drain it of it's strength.

Another little fiasco like those and it may have have to be kissed goodbye.

With scarcity of land & food one should factor in climate change, floods, droughts and habitable terrain imo.

Reasons not to be cheerful.

Coming back to making US great again, by keeping out migrant - cheap labour, cheaper steal imports and anything else of interest to production, Mr Trump thinks he is going to go around the globe making US greater than what it is already???

Reminds me of Milosovich with his visions of a Greater Serbia. Look where he and Serbia are now along with Russia who aided it and prodded it with so much enthusiasm.

All these nutters with great visions usually end up screwing them selves and their followers up good and proper. Good many other innocents get a kicking too and seldom are there any winners on either side.

Time will tell but if Trump ever gets elected I will anticipate great calamity for the US.

 

[hhiusa]

Now what are you wittering on about?

In the current debt based system you (the US) are not paying for anything. All that happens is, the govt and it's agent (the FED) create more debt, print more worthless dollars to continue with this fiat money based Ponzi scheme.

Countries and their governments the world over are all playing the same game. All trying desperately to inflate their way out of trouble. Of course, none of them will be successful in this mission, it's called kicking the can down the road, storing up even more trouble. Instead of being responsible and dealing with the problem, it's just passed on for the next generation to deal with. This assumes that all these countries carry on playing the game. Should One or more of them decide to call time on this craziness, then Two things will happen. Total world economic collapse and wars on a scale never seen before.

The whole system is designed in such a way that average Joe does not understand what is going on, but every year he becomes poorer as inflation erodes his purchasing power and he has increased payments to service the debt. He just accepts his lot. What can he do after all ? Never going to climb out of that hole are ya Joe, they won't allow you to get ahead ! But don't worry about this life Joe, you are just a pawn in the system and soon enough you will be dead and all your troubles will be over !

Take a look at just how great the US is. I mean, staggeringly great !

http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/Documents/dollar/

The UK spends more money as a percentage of GDP than China does. That is even more ridiculous than what the US does. I know why the US spends as much as it does. Everyone, including the UK, complains to the US when they have a problem. Just look at the proportion of money, troops and aid that the UK gives compared the US. It is always abysmal. They expect us to do something about it. Why does a country that spends so little effort on wars and goes to war seldomly, spend so much money on the military?

I thought you would completely ignore it and feign ignorance. Wittering on? I should ask you the same thing always bringing up guns.

Take a mathematics class!

 

[counter_violent]

The UK spends more money as a percentage of GDP than China does. That is even more ridiculous than what the US does. I know why the US spends as much as it does. Everyone, including the UK, complains to the US when they have a problem. Just look at the proportion of money, troops and aid that the UK gives compared the US. It is always abysmal. They expect us to do something about it. Why does a country that spends so little effort on wars and goes to war seldomly, spend so much money on the military?

I thought you would completely ignore it and feign ignorance. Wittering on? I should ask you the same thing always bringing up guns.

Take a mathematics class!

Yes I figured you would dodge the real issues and start waffling on about irrelevant military spending again.

US missed a trick in 2012, they could have voted in Ron Paul, who would at least have educated the citizens and made an effort to get US Ponzi economics in order.

 

[hhiusa]

Yes I figured you would dodge the real issues and start waffling on about irrelevant military spending again.

US missed a trick in 2012, they could have voted in Ron Paul, who would at least have educated the citizens and made an effort to get US Ponzi economics in order.

It was originally your merry band of socialists that brought up military spending.

The US military is nearly out of control of the politicians but with $600 billion to spend and only useless politicians in the way they aren't worried. They would love an incompetent President as an excuse to take over.

This prompted me to teach you guys some mathematics. Remember the part about percentages and fractions in elementary school.

To which you replied

Don't make me post the US debt clock again.

The only thing US knows is how to live off other people's money.

Should I teach you about fractions and percentages again? :innocent:

 

[Pat494]

I expect there are many voters in the USA that long for another Eisenhower to put some sense into the system.
Sadly it looks like Trump will be a strong contender.

 

[Atilla]

Originally Posted by hhiusa View Post
China spends 2.1% of its GDP on the military.
The UK spends 2.4% of its GDP on the military.
The US spends 3.5% of its GDP on the military. They are pretty close in spending ratios.

Russia spends 4.5% of its GDP on the military.
UAE spends 5.1% of its GDP on the military.

The UK spends more money as a percentage of GDP than China does. That is even more ridiculous than what the US does. I know why the US spends as much as it does. Everyone, including the UK, complains to the US when they have a problem. Just look at the proportion of money, troops and aid that the UK gives compared the US. It is always abysmal. They expect us to do something about it. Why does a country that spends so little effort on wars and goes to war seldomly, spend so much money on the military?

If somebody makes more money they can afford to spend more on the same thing. If somebody makes $1,000,000 and spends $90,000/year in living expenses, then they are less in debt than somebody who makes $100,000 and spends $20,000/year in living expenses. While $20K is less than $90K, the raw numbers are meaningless by themselves without perspective.


What I like to know from a guy who knows how to argue and make points, goes off at tangents and then has the stupid ignorant audacity to lecture - WTF has UK, China and US military spending has to do with the US primary elections???

Are we talking about candidates military spending budget proposals? NO!

We are speaking about choice of words to describe women in terms which I don't even hear layman or builders use.

A blood clot muan who some feel is fit to be the next president of the united states. One of these idiots thinks the US is the GREATEST nation on earth and the other obviously feels the US is at a level which does not fit his preferred perception and it needs to be made even GREATER!!!


We have two very sick effed-up puppies indeed.


Init funny what kind of world some people live in??? :cheesy:

 

[Pat494]

Have we in Europe got so used to politicians that we cynically dismiss their outlandish promises ?
I think we are more savvy over here. We have heard it all before lots of times. While in the US phrases like " make America great again ", sends the poor boobies into paroxysms of joy and hope.

Noobs like hhi can't sort out the wheat from the chaff. Probably still trying to decide if it is logical to get out of bed now or later !

 

[hhiusa]

Military spending has a lot to do with the presidential election. Why you do not understand that is beyond me. If you had watched the last Republican debate, many of the questions were about foreign policy and war.

They asked Jeb Bush if he believed the US should be the world police. They also stated that his brother got us into two wars. They asked what are your (Bush's) views on going to war?

hmmm. Going to war requires a military. Having a military requires a military budget. :smart:

People want to know what a president's views are on foreign policy.

 

[hhiusa]

What I like to know from a guy who knows how to argue and make points, goes off at tangents and then has the stupid ignorant audacity to lecture - WTF has UK, China and US military spending has to do with the US primary elections???

A blood clot muan who some feel is fit to be the next president of the united states. One of these idiots thinks the US is the GREATEST nation on earth

We have two very sick effed-up puppies indeed.

You need some anger management. Debate is not done with such language.

Init funny what kind of world some people live in??? :cheesy:

Yes. Just look at what you wrote. :innocent:

A blood clot muan

What is that?

 

[Atilla]

I don't know some people have no issue with talking about women bleeding or referring to them as fat pigs, slobs and disgusting animals and even publicly singling out Rosie O'Donnell yet pick out stupid and idiot as use of language to object to.


With respect to military spending, what has UK statistics got to do with the candidates views on foreign policy? You are going off at a tangent again. Keep to the point.


Corn on the knob :cheesy:

 

[hhiusa]

I don't know some people have no issue with talking about women bleeding or referring to them as fat pigs, slobs and disgusting animals and even publicly singling out Rosie O'Donnell yet pick out stupid and idiot as use of language to object to.


With respect to military spending, what has UK statistics got to do with the candidates views on foreign policy? You are going off at a tangent again. Keep to the point.

What? Where was anyone talking about women bleeding or talking about fat pigs?

Secondly, when people from the UK point out how ridiculous it is that the US spends what it does on the military, it prompts me to show you how myopic your views are. Make sure your house is in order before you go throwing stones as well. The UK may be a lot poorer than the US, almost 7 times as much; however, the UK's spending is of a similar proportion. Again, I will reiterate that spending 3.4% on a war chest is an extremely small amount.

We all know that the US is the de facto world police because everyone cries out for help when they need something and then points the finger later.

The UK does not follow the same policy. Why is it that a country that rarely goes to war, never gives aid on the same level as the US and when it does go to war it sends a scant amount of troops more as a token than as actual help. Having said that, why would a country like that need to spend close to the same proportion of its GDP on a war chest as the US?

The only knob I see is posting pictures instead of arguments. Very well.

 

[Atilla]

Now I know what an argument supposed to be. Funny that, learn something new everyday


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ack-Fox-host-Megyn-Kelly-clash-war-women.html

Google it see what hits you get!!! Can't believe you haven't heard about it.

Should be interesting contest against Hillary if she gets picked for the democrats.

Wonder how he'll deal with Yellen too???


:whistling