Terrorism????...Blame America!!!!

[bobneedham]

I think it's the perfect time to revisit this thread, what with Obama on the seat. What's the status of the US' war on terrorism?

 

[Atilla]

I think it's the perfect time to revisit this thread, what with Obama on the seat. What's the status of the US' war on terrorism?

Yes I reckon timing is not bad in light of http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8380139.stm

Apparently US was planning regime change since 1998.

9/11 the inside job theory to kick it all off doesn't look like such a daft proposition with benefit of hind sight.

Under international law the US should pay compensation to Iraq for its unjustified war in killing millions and destroying the whole country. Even more so as Iraq had nothing at all to do with 9/11 as proven by their own investigation.

I don't know abouat terrorism but blame has a lot to do with it. Biggest crime of the new millenium and leaders who have instigated these wars are milking the system getting rich whilst young men are still dying for bizare daft reasons...

 

[squall321]

9/11 the inside job theory to kick it all off doesn't look like such a daft proposition with benefit of hind sight.

I don't think 9/11 was about iraq, because, why did they fake saudi passports if the plan was to invade iraq? they could have just put iraq suspects as patsys. that doesn't mean they couldn't have had a hand in 9/11 though.

At one end of the scale there is "total innocence", on the other end you have "total inside job". The white house was warned that osama was planning to use airplanes, by british mi6, french version of mi6, etc. but they didn't have jets ready to scramble incase it happened. so we're one step away from total innocence already. the next step is did the cia know as well, and not warn the white house?

I don't think the truth will ever get known on this, maybe in 50 years or something, when it's just a history study.

 

[jaspertrademaster]

9/11 should never have happened.

 

[Atilla]

9/11 should never have happened.

I reckon the intelligence circles knew in advance but they used it to suit their agendas and profit from it. They even assisted in the demolition of the twin towers. imho as I have seen buildings burn ferociously in Spain for 32 hours and not come down let alone two twin towers designed to with-stand aeroplane crash come down in 1 hour in a model demolition.

Let's not mention the missing disintegration Pentagon aeroplane.

Richard A Clarke - NSA advisor to 3 presidents gave up trying to talk to Bush.

Denial by the White House saying no one could have envisaged such an attack belies the actual test on the same day of a simulated attack on a sky scraper.

The audacity of the Dick Chaney gang of 4 beggars belief.

The slam-dunk case the CIA had againts Sadam having WMD also belies incompentancy that no other nation could believe.

Libby even grassed on its own CIA operatives who didn't agree.

Likewise Intelligence officers here using a graduates dissertation on claiming Iraq having WMD and David Kelly case is a litter of BLOODY LIES all the way.

It is all over the news.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Against-All...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259342276&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.co.uk/State-Denia...=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259342299&sr=1-4

The truth will eventually come out. We may all be dead by then but people in another 200 years time may investigate and identify the truth.

These gang of four or five thought they'd build a stronger USA but the damn dorks almost ended up destorying it... True freaking patriots that they are...

 

[dick_dastardly]

I don't think 9/11 was about iraq, because, why did they fake saudi passports if the plan was to invade iraq? they could have just put iraq suspects as patsys.

It doesn't matter how many times you point out the massive holes in their argument, they'll just churn out the same old same old conspiracy crap.

And conspiracy theory, like religion, is constructed such that it can neither be proved or disproved.

All they need do is repeat the message often enough and eventually people will believe it, Atilla! over to you :cheesy:


dd

 

[Atilla]

It doesn't matter how many times you point out the massive holes in their argument, they'll just churn out the same old same old conspiracy crap.

And conspiracy theory, like religion, is constructed such that it can neither be proved or disproved.

All they need do is repeat the message often enough and eventually people will believe it, Atilla! over to you :cheesy:


dd

Yeah I know what you mean. Mr Blair met the pope and is defender of the faiths on earth...

Bush and Blair both on the same Godliness level and they are about the same height so they can see eye to eye. One can't speak and the other you can't get to shut up. President of Europe and President of the USA. Vanity and egos so inflated two pricks who just kept blowing each other away...

They don't like our civilised democratic way of life so what we'll do is we will instigate a regime change and show them how democracy is run by electing their leaders for them.

Leave Saudi Arabia who is our friend, where the terrorists originated from well alone as we have tea and cakes with their Kings.

The only conspiracy here is how Bush won the elections and carried out the war that was planned way back in 1998. Along the way they managed to demolish 3 buildings 2 of which needed demolitioning as it was asbestos infested and one was an old CIA building with gold bullions stored.

In the history of earth no building ever came down because of fire and on one day we get three all fall down in a model demolition way. One wasn't even hit by a plane and the other two were designed to with-stand aeroplanes flying into it, but for some reason all three came down P E R R R F E C T L Y !!!

Not only that the building DisentegrateD into dust powder.

All random coincidental events you might say. You know how it is. You never see a black swan in your life and then one day you spot a whole flock of them. In fact there are so many black swans I'd be damned if I could pick out a white one to prove the conspiracy...


BUT THERE IS MORE !!!

Can you believe two aeroplanes also disintegrated in the history of the world such that no engines or parts of these aeroplanes could be found (refering to Pentagon and the other aeroplane's here).

CIA then goes round collecting all films of plane flying into the pentagon and prevents disclosing info so as not to compromise national security. :clap::clap::clap:

MOTHER OF ALL FREAKING LIES... They didn't bat an eyelid when setting Colonel Powel up in the UN disclosing satelite surveilance showing Sadams non existent WMD as proof. You know he was a much respected and highly regarded diplomat. He couldn't stomach anymore so he stepped down and gave his full backing to Obama... A man once touted as a possible president. A republican.

Hey but no! We live in a civilised democratic world and our leaders wouldn't do this kind of **** to us. No indeed not

I forgot to mention the Anthrax scare which nothing came of it but another WMD which came and went with no conclusive result...


Once upon a time you wanted me to shut-up and now you are egging me on... You starting to have doubts about the government lies yet DD or still feeling bolshy about it all?

Doesn't it bother you what they do with your taxes and your vote?

They messed up the economy.
They messed up the army.
Now they are about to mess up the Met Police in the UK...

When will our cheating lying politicians talents ever end???

 

[Pat494]

When will our cheating lying politicians talents ever end???

Never is the answer to that.

But having said that, consider the alternatives
1. The military
Hopelessly incompetent, violent and corrupt
2. Some dictator
Well Adolf and Joe Stalin should put anyone off that
3. Theocracy
Religious nuts like the taliban ? No thanks
4 ????????????????????

Conclusion
politicians are probably the least awful of the lot.

Doesn't say much for the human race in particular does it ?

 

[Splitlink]

When will our cheating lying politicians talents ever end???

Never is the answer to that.

But having said that, consider the alternatives
1. The military
Hopelessly incompetent, violent and corrupt
2. Some dictator
Well Adolf and Joe Stalin should put anyone off that
3. Theocracy
Religious nuts like the taliban ? No thanks
4 ????????????????????

Conclusion
politicians are probably the least awful of the lot.

Doesn't say much for the human race in particular does it ?

Brussels?

 

[Atilla]

When will our cheating lying politicians talents ever end???

Never is the answer to that.

But having said that, consider the alternatives
1. The military
Hopelessly incompetent, violent and corrupt
2. Some dictator
Well Adolf and Joe Stalin should put anyone off that
3. Theocracy
Religious nuts like the taliban ? No thanks
4 ????????????????????

Conclusion
politicians are probably the least awful of the lot.

Doesn't say much for the human race in particular does it ?

I wasn't referring to ending democracy Pat. More case of reform - perhaps this includes the judicial process so that justice and transparancy can be enabled and does not allow politiicians and other twits to be immune from prosecution.

Rather than arguing in the interest of National Security - I would argue it is precisely for this reason that in a democracy people decide such key actions and decisions. Not two ego-manic God confessed-empowered - 'B'lundering 'B'astards...

Brown says he will send 500 further men to help the cause.

Obama will announce what he will do next soon. At least he is seriously reflecting on the consequences.

As for Brussels, that to is a recipee for disaster waiting to happen in much bigger scale than we've ever seen before. Now that we are used to the billion number next fiddle will be in trillions... I can't wait for the triple page width headlines...:cheesy:

 

[Pat494]

I wasn't referring to ending democracy Pat. More case of reform - perhaps this includes the judicial process so that justice and transparency can be enabled and does not allow politiicians and other twits to be immune from prosecution.

:

hoorah political reform :clap::clap:

Q. Looking back over the last 50 years of the UK's parliament what would you say have been their greatest achievements ?

A. ummmmmmm
well er can't think of anything off hand but the trillions of pounds of public money must have achieved something surely ?

Not a lot I would say.

We pay for 600+ thieving bast*rds plus perks plus expenses year in year out. They are screwing us financially and each other literally ( hello John and Edwina ? ). Out to lavish dinners nearly every night. Call girls and scruffy characters in dirty macs with brown envelopes full of cash for favours !! Oh yes what a life.

 

[dick_dastardly]

Leave Saudi Arabia who is our friend, where the terrorists originated from well alone as we have tea and cakes with their Kings.

:clap:

Well I suppose sooner or later you were gonna get something right.


Hey Atilla!
You forgot to post up the picture of that hooded Iraqi prisoner standing on a box with electrodes on his hands. It must be on this thread dozens of times, shouldn't be hard to find.

Or how about a link to a vid of gun camera footage. You know the one I mean, a group of distant human figures in the cross hairs of some hot shot American pilot?

dd

 

[Atilla]

:clap:

Well I suppose sooner or later you were gonna get something right.


Hey Atilla!
You forgot to post up the picture of that hooded Iraqi prisoner standing on a box with electrodes on his hands. It must be on this thread dozens of times, shouldn't be hard to find.

Or how about a link to a vid of gun camera footage. You know the one I mean, a group of distant human figures in the cross hairs of some hot shot American pilot?

dd

DD old boy, I think the NSA have removed those pictures from the www under their national security clause...

... but I did find this photo of a man standing up all day in a stress position...

 

[jaspertrademaster]

The Old Boys Club will always protect their own.

 

[dcraig1]

Apparently US was planning regime change since 1998.

9/11 the inside job theory to kick it all off doesn't look like such a daft proposition with benefit of hind sight.

I think there is little doubt that the Neocons and PNAC were planning regime change for quite a while before 9/11. Possibly that planning extended further than that select little group of warmongers.

However there is no logical connection between that and the assertion that 9/11 was an inside job. An infinitely more likely scenario is that this bunch exploited 9/11 for their own purposes.

In calling for the heads of those responsible for the war on Iraq, there is no requirement that 9/11 be an inside job. I do not think it was an inside job, but I still think Bush, Blair and the rest of them should be tried for war crimes. I'm sure many people are of a similar view.

All this conspiracy stuff ends up in a mismash with anti AGW, "they're trying to kill us with vaccines" and whatever the conspiracy of the day is, on the road to a "new World Order" of communist world government. It is tripe and a disservice to anybody trying to understand what is going on in the world.

Sometimes, sticking to the facts is a very good policy.

 

[Splitlink]

What's past is past, IMO. We were wrong to go into Iraq. We were wrong to elect those who took us into Iraq, in the first place. I am not in favour of putting our leaders on trial for war crimes. If others can do it, let them. We could, in our case, warn Blair that, if he goes abroad, he faces that risk.

I think that we have to defend our own in these cases. We put our enemies leaders on trial--not our own. That would be a step too far for us.

If Blair is persecuted too much, the next PM in a crisis could be a Chamberlain.

 

[Pat494]

What's past is past, IMO. We were wrong to go into Iraq. We were wrong to elect those who took us into Iraq, in the first place. I am not in favour of putting our leaders on trial for war crimes. If others can do it, let them. We could, in our case, warn Blair that, if he goes abroad, he faces that risk.

I think that we have to defend our own in these cases. We put our enemies leaders on trial--not our own. That would be a step too far for us.

If Blair is persecuted too much, the next PM in a crisis could be a Chamberlain.

Blair should at least give the money he gets from the USA ( JP Morgan ) to the Army families of dead and injured servicemen. The other big payout he gets from a Swiss bank - that also. He sold Britain out and dragged Europe into the Middle East disaster too, for a large payout from a grateful USA. And while they are at it forfeit his pension too.

I bet they never ask Blair about the cushy job and kick-back !! Or tie down Mr. teflon man !!

 

[Splitlink]

Blair should at least give the money he gets from the USA ( JP Morgan ) to the Army families of dead and injured servicemen. The other big payout he gets from a Swiss bank - that also. He sold Britain out and dragged Europe into the Middle East disaster too, for a large payout from a grateful USA. And while they are at it forfeit his pension too.

I bet they never ask Blair about the cushy job and kick-back !! Or tie down Mr. teflon man !!

I agree that this man got away with murder. What is being suggested here, though, is that we make him a war criminal when we could, if we had wanted to, have stopped a large amount of what he did.

A large part of the UK was against him but he won the next election, didn't he? Aznar's PP party lost and his successor, Zapatero, took Spanish troops out of Iraq.

I don'r like Zapatero or his socialists, but that is what he did, because the electorate demanded it. If the people had wanted to stay in Iraq, Aznar's successor would , probably, have won that election.

 

[Atilla]

I think there is little doubt that the Neocons and PNAC were planning regime change for quite a while before 9/11. Possibly that planning extended further than that select little group of warmongers.

However there is no logical connection between that and the assertion that 9/11 was an inside job. An infinitely more likely scenario is that this bunch exploited 9/11 for their own purposes.

In calling for the heads of those responsible for the war on Iraq, there is no requirement that 9/11 be an inside job. I do not think it was an inside job, but I still think Bush, Blair and the rest of them should be tried for war crimes. I'm sure many people are of a similar view.

All this conspiracy stuff ends up in a mismash with anti AGW, "they're trying to kill us with vaccines" and whatever the conspiracy of the day is, on the road to a "new World Order" of communist world government. It is tripe and a disservice to anybody trying to understand what is going on in the world.

Sometimes, sticking to the facts is a very good policy.

I concur it is highly likely that the terrorists went ahead and picked out the twin towers in a brain storm. After all they did try and blow up the World Trade Towers few years back. I doubt the US government gave them instructions to do so.

However, the point remains, the fall of the twin towers, building number 7 and the pentagon aeroplane strike scenarios simply don't add up. There are so many loose ends I would draw the conclusion the authorities new at a high level and as it coincided with the wider agenda turned a blind eye to it. In fact I believe they assisted in the destruction by virtue of their cover ups.

The mind boggles to know the Twin Towers investigation took less time than dear old Michael Jackson's autopsy.

So is there a connection - yes indeed. The Twin Towers were the iconic catalyst for the project so called axis of evil to be started.

Only reason why we are stopping at this conjuncture is because the US post war planning messed up on a mucho grande scale...

 

[sinimini]

Just read the PNAC document. Its all there in black and white.