It seems clear that the debate of the scams that take place can open a can off worms.. For the record .. There is no excuse for taking money from people that dont get what they are promised ... However having been on the phone and in the work place of these operations the ease at which it takes place is nothing short of stunning .. I have yet to meet a single person in these places that does not get stunned in the early days at how easy it is or should I say was, to con the greedy person on the end of a phone. It can take as little as three hours from the first call to get a transfer proof that funds have indeed left their victim. Australia has succeeded in stopping some of these transfers and it seems by keeping the banks informed and the banks raising the question as to what the funds are for and ultimatly the customer stoping the transfer. My deep distrust of banks actualy leads me to think they do it for their own gains of selling the customer one of their products instead I am sure many of you agree. With regards to my position I stand firm that what goes around comes around and the fact that even if alot of the money taken by these scams is neither ethical or right, i am equaly sure an even larger amount taken was obtained by the "victim " using unethical manner and at cost to others. Natrually there is no way to prove it and I doubt there ever will be, but the number of people that I spoke to that aired concern as to the monies visabilty to the TAX departments certainly confirms this aspect. I might add the true gains of these scams is far higher than can be realised due to most people that get conned not coming forward as they do not want to be known. I ask everyone if the money was obtained legally why wouldnt you want it back and kick up hell to get it ? I actually know of one customer asking for the room I was in to destroy his records and in return he would walk away and forget what we did to him.. 450,000 usd .. I wonder why ?