College Fund Challenge

This is a discussion on College Fund Challenge within the Trading Journals forums, part of the New Traders category; Originally Posted by tkbieber Whether you trade this way or not,, it works thus far. Anyway, it's only until it ...

View Poll Results: How close to my goal of $2,000,000 do you think I will get?
You think I will blow the account and my $100 will be lost. 79 58.52%
You think I will somewhat earn a profit $200-$1,500. 17 12.59%
You think I will get a pretty good return but not close to $2,000,000. 27 20.00%
You think I will get way more then $2,000,000. 12 8.89%
Voters: 135. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old Apr 17, 2012, 5:50am   #657
Legendary Member
 
Hoggums's Avatar
 
Member Since Jan 2006
Default Re: College Fund Challenge

Quote:
Originally Posted by tkbieber View Post
Whether you trade this way or not,, it works thus far. Anyway, it's only until it gets to $2,000,000 than I'm cutting it off.
You know at 3 losers in a row will wipe you out. So your strategy is to hope that doesn’t happen. There are no safeguards in place to stop it happening.

This is not a strategy, you are gambling. Your $2m relies on the fact that you will be lucky from now until you get the money. You have no idea on what the return is, how long it will take, how likely 3 losers in a row actually are in a year let alone up to the $2m.

This is basic information you need to research. Let’s say your system would have blown up once in the last 10 years (but you don’t know that because you haven’t done enough backtesting!) therefore we’ll say you have a 10% chance of wipeout in a year – if you trade it for 5 years then the chances of losing all your money is 40% before the time is up. Trade it for 10 years – it’s 65%. Would you trade a system for 10 years that you know only has a 35% chance of success?

But you don’t know. You don’t know how long £2m is going to take. You don’t know how likely you are to get there. What if you get to $1.5m in 3 years and you get the 3 losers – how sick will you feel then?

This is why people fail at trading. Their strategies are based on assumptions and hope, they ignore the risks and deluisionally believe they will be lucky.

You will only ever succeed when you’ve studied your strategy, understand the risks & rewards and have plans in place for worst case scenarios.
__________________
Hoggums

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend,
inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- G Marx.
Hoggums is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 17, 2012, 12:08pm   #658
Senior Member
 
tony1979's Avatar
 
Member Since Jul 2011
Default Re: College Fund Challenge

Quote:
Originally Posted by marbig View Post
Hi tkbieber,

This method has copped a bit of a beating in the last couple of months but as long as it is recognised to be a high risk-high reward, wild ride it is still interesting to me.

Two questions:
1. Are you doubling up your trade size each time you have a losing trade?
2. Have you done an analysis of what your biggest INDIVIDUAL drawdown in pips and percentage of equity would have been IF you had NOT used a stop loss on any of your trades?

As I have said previously, I think you are on the right track. Good luck. This EA is morphing into something that is getting very interesting.

PS I am a professional trader.
It's a pile of cr@p - how can you think he's on to something if you're allegedly a "professional trader". I think someone must be telling porkies!
tony1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 17, 2012, 8:09pm   #659
Veteran Member
 
tkbieber's Avatar
 
Member Since Sep 2010
Default Re: College Fund Challenge

tkbieber started this thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoggums View Post
You know at 3 losers in a row will wipe you out. So your strategy is to hope that doesn’t happen. There are no safeguards in place to stop it happening.

You don’t know how long £2m is going to take. You don’t know how likely you are to get there. What if you get to $1.5m in 3 years and you get the 3 losers – how sick will you feel then?
I won't feel sick at all because I started with $500 and I have two other working systems so no big deal. It won't be fun but I've lost $500 before so it wouldn't be the first time.

By the way, I've had three losers in a row already and made it. You don't realize that within the losses there are wins being made from the hedging. To a degree, these wins are off-setting the losses. True, it gets the DD out there but it still managed to stay afloat and bounced back.
tkbieber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 26, 2012, 9:51am   #660
Veteran Member
 
tkbieber's Avatar
 
Member Since Sep 2010
Default Re: College Fund Challenge

tkbieber started this thread Ok, I'm back from vacation so back to trading again.
tkbieber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 26, 2012, 11:15am   #661
Senior Member
 
tony1979's Avatar
 
Member Since Jul 2011
Default Re: College Fund Challenge

Hooray
tony1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 28, 2012, 7:57am   #662
mjj
Member
 
mjj's Avatar
 
Member Since Mar 2005
Default Re: College Fund Challenge

How are you finding the cable DD on Toms EA at the moment
mjj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 28, 2012, 4:33pm   #663
Veteran Member
 
tkbieber's Avatar
 
Member Since Sep 2010
Default Re: College Fund Challenge

tkbieber started this thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjj View Post
How are you finding the cable DD on Toms EA at the moment
It's currently at a 20.06% DD. I've personally seen it at 48% DD with other dips like this since Aug 2011. That's just how it works. It usually is 10-12% DD with occasional dips like this. The balance stays steady on the rise so no worries.
tkbieber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 3, 2012, 5:03pm   #664
Veteran Member
 
tkbieber's Avatar
 
Member Since Sep 2010
Default Re: College Fund Challenge

tkbieber started this thread Well, I got some bad news about Hotfx. They are eliminating all USA accounts by June.

Sooo, I will have to close out all open trades soon. I have two open with my morning-trade system and hope they close out by themselves.
tkbieber is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Colleged Fund Challenge tkbieber Trading Journals 20 Jun 6, 2011 3:01pm
Brokers for college students... johanesw Direct Access 14 Sep 30, 2009 12:00pm
college graduate.... k1ng87 General Trading Chat 4 Jul 27, 2009 5:55am
College May Become Unaffordable for Most godoftrading General Trading Chat 0 Dec 4, 2008 10:09am
Looking for Online College reviews jasonweber General Trading Chat 0 Sep 11, 2008 3:18am