All you need to trade is a horizontal line - TheRumpledOne

JTrader · Feb 7, 2008, 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by Trader333

My risk is 10 and profit is a minimum of 12 but when the momentum keeps going it is easy to get a lot more than 2 to 1 Reward to Risk. So far it is working well but like I said I am only using the principle of BZ and have developed my own approach. I should add that this cannot be successful using SB or Bucket shop, it is essential to use a direct access platform.

Paul

Yes i was also thinking of using the entry lines with my owned customised R:R ratio (max SL of maybe 10 pips & PT of maybe 20 pips, alongside some kind of trailing SL), but to be fair did not look into this in detail.

Trader333 · Feb 7, 2008, 12:26pm

The reason that BZ works at all is purely due to momentum and the small profit targets. Essentially, if you get a momentum move then it is presumed that this momentum will carry on long enough to reach profit target. This is why I am using an exhaustion measure so that I don't enter when a very short term move is fizzling out and by that I am referring to a 1 minute time frame.

Paul

JTrader · Feb 7, 2008, 12:40pm

exhaustion measure - interesting. Are you finding that you have found an effective filter (to remove more losers than winners removed) then?

Cheers.

Trader333 · Feb 7, 2008, 1:18pm

It is too early to know yet, I need to do a lot more of these types of trade before I will know for definite but the results so far have been good. I will update things once I know.

Paul

black bear · Feb 7, 2008, 1:34pm

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Originally Posted by TheRumpledOne

You it is funny that so many people try to find a way that the Buy Zone won't work. They will spend hours, days, weeks, etc.. trying to prove it doesn't work.

If they would only realize that if they looked for how it could work for them, then they would be on the winning path.

I hear from people on almost a daily basis who are thanking me for showing them the Buy Zone because, for once in their trading careers, they are making money.

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Originally Posted by Trader333

It is to do with speed of execution which is critical to success of this approach. It takes me less than 0.5 seconds to decide to take a trade, hit the hotkey to enter and get filled. The same is true to exit the trade and when you are taking small profits then every point or pip counts. The commission I pay is less than 1 point in value and so far my trades have lasted a maximum of about 61 seconds. I will see how it progresses over a longer time frame but so far it looks good just like jayjay121 has been saying. I am almost certain that using SB or other non ECN will result in greater slippage, slower fills and as such less profits which for something like this is very costly over a large number of trades.

Paul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trader333

The reason that BZ works at all is purely due to momentum and the small profit targets. Essentially, if you get a momentum move then it is presumed that this momentum will carry on long enough to reach profit target. This is why I am using an exhaustion measure so that I don't enter when a very short term move is fizzling out and by that I am referring to a 1 minute time frame.

Paul

Hi Paul

good posts IMO

Good thread and posts, I was going to go on one at length but..................

IMO it works. I have my buy and sell Zones my targets are as per mentioned and...

I check at the end of each month to see if in hindsight it works out as per proper traders method

if not I just check my account and

its got larger, so I just give myself a telling off for not trading proper like other people and carry on

1.5 yrs and counting in profit and it is as Split says worth it

why did I go this way

no one on this planet can tell you where the next tick will be NO ONE NO METHOD NO LAW OF PROBABILITY NOTHING, NOT EVEN BACKTESTING NOTHING

There is the right here the right now, so take your best shot based on whats in your own head and manage the downside. Your own head = it can be as simple as a straight line.

Sorry LM, your method is fine, good work and if its working for you great I was worried it was not being put across well enough for newbies to understand, I was not attacking you just the way it was explained on your thread, Stops etc anyway........

Good luck all, gone before I go on, and no I will not elaborate further

Your own head

bansir · Feb 7, 2008, 2:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trader333

It is to do with speed of execution which is critical to success of this approach. It takes me less than 0.5 seconds to decide to take a trade, hit the hotkey to enter and get filled. The same is true to exit the trade and when you are taking small profits then every point or pip counts. The commission I pay is less than 1 point in value and so far my trades have lasted a maximum of about 61 seconds. I will see how it progresses over a longer time frame but so far it looks good just like jayjay121 has been saying. I am almost certain that using SB or other non ECN will result in greater slippage, slower fills and as such less profits which for something like this is very costly over a large number of trades.

Paul

Hi Paul,
I've been paper trading BZ on eur/usd (5min) using oanda over the last few days and agree with you regarding speed of execution. When I trade at work through a proxy server, I get lots of delay in execution and hence quite a bit of slippage which makes the system almost unworkable.
At home on direct broadband connection it's much easier to hit the zone with instant execution.

For me, I am now keeping to one trade per hour max otherwise I tend to over-trade.

It's too early to tell if it works for me; This week so far, I'm down (-20pips net) but actually up on the account by £628.05 since I've been tinkering with position size. Over the last 2 days I'm up +19 pips.

Bit of a mixed bag at the moment I guess.

Best Regards,
Neil

bansir · Feb 7, 2008, 4:15pm

Just a quick note for anyone having ago with the BZ;

If the price breaks out in your favour with decent momentum, you may be tempted to let it ride for a few more pips. In this case, *quickly move your stop up tight *, don't allow a loss the chance to register.

Basic stuff, I know but it might help someone out there.

Cheers,
Neil

jayjay121 · Feb 7, 2008, 7:09pm

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Originally Posted by bansir

Just a quick note for anyone having ago with the BZ;

If the price breaks out in your favour with decent momentum, you may be tempted to let it ride for a few more pips. In this case, *quickly move your stop up tight *, don't allow a loss the chance to register.

Basic stuff, I know but it might help someone out there.

Cheers,
Neil

its basic stuff but well worth mentioning as i do it myself and it works and feels good

jason

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Feb 7, 2008, 12:26pm	#50
Trader333 8,301 Posts Joined Jan 2003	The reason that BZ works at all is purely due to momentum and the small profit targets. Essentially, if you get a momentum move then it is presumed that this momentum will carry on long enough to reach profit target. This is why I am using an exhaustion measure so that I don't enter when a very short term move is fizzling out and by that I am referring to a 1 minute time frame. Paul

Feb 7, 2008, 12:40pm	#51
JTrader 5,741 Posts Joined Dec 2002	exhaustion measure - interesting. Are you finding that you have found an effective filter (to remove more losers than winners removed) then? Cheers.

Feb 7, 2008, 1:18pm	#52
Trader333 8,301 Posts Joined Jan 2003	It is too early to know yet, I need to do a lot more of these types of trade before I will know for definite but the results so far have been good. I will update things once I know. Paul

Feb 7, 2008, 4:15pm	#55
bansir 494 Posts Joined Sep 2002	Just a quick note for anyone having ago with the BZ; If the price breaks out in your favour with decent momentum, you may be tempted to let it ride for a few more pips. In this case, *quickly move your stop up tight *, don't allow a loss the chance to register. Basic stuff, I know but it might help someone out there. Cheers, Neil

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