The blind leading the blind

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Open your eyes and don't be led by the blind. If you take a tip from any source, it is absulutely no good, because who ever gave out the tip or advice is just telling a tiny piece of there strategy. That is why I say the blind meaning the tip is leading the blind which is you the newbie or wannabe trader or you the unsuccessful trader. Most newbies and wannabe traders (including my first days) would go about trying to figure this trading thing out on your own. Trying to compile and make some sense from all the tips and tricks of trading. So what happens is you will think you have tweeked your so called system to the point of no return, then you decide to trade live. You start out as a daytrader taking quick profits and then when you get a few losses and you do not liquidate. Finally your loses get so deep that to justify yourself that you do not want to liquidate at a loss because you will just sit on them and you convince yourself that you are an investor. Then to your added pain, you are just headed into a market crash and poof.....you are destroyed. That will be your destiny, if you do not find a good mentor, a person that is an active profitable trader and a good teacher as well who can trade and teach at the same time. Do your research and investigate your would be mentor and hire him or her. No Mater what the cost and do not be cheap. If you are a cheapo and think that paying for your eduction is to expensive. Think again, because if you do not pay a good mentor you will lose that money in the markets anyways and you would not know what hit you. If you do not know what hit you, you definitely will not be able to figure it out.
 
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Cheers Split, but I think you need to increase the gain on your Irony Meter.
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Open your eyes and don't be led by the blind. If you take a tip from any source, it is absulutely no good, because who ever gave out the tip or advice is just telling a tiny piece of there strategy. That is why I say the blind meaning the tip is leading the blind which is you the newbie or wannabe trader or you the unsuccessful trader. Most newbies and wannabe traders (including my first days) would go about trying to figure this trading thing out on your own. Trying to compile and make some sense from all the tips and tricks of trading. So what happens is you will think you have tweeked your so called system to the point of no return, then you decide to trade live. You start out as a daytrader taking quick profits and then when you get a few losses and you do not liquidate. Finally your loses get so deep that to justify yourself that you do not want to liquidate at a loss because you will just sit on them and you convince yourself that you are an investor. Then to your added pain, you are just headed into a market crash and poof.....you are destroyed. That will be your destiny, if you do not find a good mentor, a person that is an active profitable trader and a good teacher as well who can trade and teach at the same time. Do your research and investigate your would be mentor and hire him or her. No Mater what the cost and do not be cheap. If you are a cheapo and think that paying for your eduction is to expensive. Think again, because if you do not pay a good mentor you will lose that money in the markets anyways and you would not know what hit you. If you do not know what hit you, you definitely will not be able to figure it out.

Purports to be a "Training literature vendor (e.g courses / spreadbetting guides / eBooks) ". I wonder if they sell dictionaries :confused:
 
Open your eyes and don't be led by the blind.

Agree with the first part but not the second.

One should definetly open their eyes (if they have the use of them) but the blind have heightened hearing which may help you immensely in your navigation.

I'd personally rather follow a blind man with my eyes open, than go it alone.

In the markets, (as long as you look but don't follow), watching a losing trader can be often more beneficial than watching a winning one.

Obviously, most people don't see it like this because they have an inherent inability to think outside the box.
 
I don't know who is blind and who isn't. Maybe it's me, because I am a loner who follows his nose.
 
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Purports to be a "Training literature vendor (e.g courses / spreadbetting guides / eBooks) ". I wonder if they sell dictionaries :confused:

Spelling is the least of my conserns. Being A master at spelling will not make you a master at trader. Especially a profitable trader.
So you keep being a master speller and i will keep being a master trader. I am a high school drop out and I flunked english since grade school.
 
Spelling is the least of my conserns. Being A master at spelling will not make you a master at trader. Especially a profitable trader.
So you keep being a master speller and i will keep being a master trader. I am a high school drop out and I flunked english since grade school.


This is a good reply. I'm sure we are all waiting to hear what you have to say about trading.
 
Apparently Buar (Serbian Cyrillic: Буар) is a village located in the Užice municipality of Serbia. In the 2002 census, the village had a population of 1415. ...

er do I need my passport poppit ?

:)
 
I trade live in front of my group every day. As do some of the other coaches at our prop firm. There's no other way to learn/teach imo
 
Apparently Buar (Serbian Cyrillic: Буар) is a village located in the Užice municipality of Serbia. In the 2002 census, the village had a population of 1415. ...

er do I need my passport poppit ?

:)

excuse me for my ignorance.....but what is a poppit?
 
Since we're in the area of perception, the senses, and trading, this might be a propitious moment to reintroduce some long-ago text from a very wise person. Many years ago a fellow known as "Aleph Sigma Chi" posted a thread here titled "Unfashionable Advice". I hope he won't mind that it is quoted here:

In my early days as a trader I was exceptionally lucky to have a mentor. A man of senior years, kind manner and with the sharpness of wit and presence of mind only a veteran trader has. “Trading.” He said. “In no other field of human endeavor of which I have experience do so many enter with expectations of achieving immediate and overwhelming success, but with no intention, desire or expectation of expending the tremendous effort necessary in acquiring the appropriate level of skill, knowledge and experience required to ensure that success. And while initial underestimation of the amount of effort required can be forgiven, what stuns me still, is when they are given guidance from those who know just how much is required, they still believe they can do it without. Why is that?”

I know quite a few traders. That is, a few who have been trading a significant length of time and are consistently successful. I have also known a far higher number of ‘bright stars’ who burst upon the trading firmament, only to be engulfed by their own incandescence a short while after reaching their zenith.

Trading is not a get rich quick endeavor. Or if it is for you, the probability of you keeping your new found wealth over any usefully appreciable amount of time is very low. If you’re in that happy and dangerous situation - stop now and do something else! Anything else.

The only successful traders are those who have been doing it for a long while and they are successful because they have been doing it a long while. Circular? Yes. Helpful? Not at first glance. If you’re looking to find the Holy Grail you should switch off at this point.

For those who want to learn, they need to listen. And listen in a very different way to that which they are used to.

In the same way the human ear must physically detect acoustic vibrations to hear sounds, so must the trader train him or herself to detect information from across all the physical senses and from the supra-physical senses too.

Some will call it “traders’ intuition”, others “being in sync with the market”. But it goes much further than that. You must develop skills in order to develop skills. Do you understand this? The skills you must develop in order to develop the skills you need for trading successfully are focus, concentration, awareness and absolute and total commitment. To understand the difference between awareness and perception. And to train yourself to delay the transition of one into the other. This is just the start. If I were to tell you, honestly and simply, the process you will have to go through, the effort, the hours, the physical and mental strain and the contortions of mind you will need to perform – you would either not believe me or if you did, would choose not to do it. Who in their right mind would? But for those few who have no choice, who are burning with the passion to trade, the absolute need to trade, they will willingly follow and inwardly recognize and comprehend that what I am saying is true. Because they know it can’t be that easy. Or every fool and his dog would be doing it. These are the sensible ones. The ones that can learn.

This didn’t work for me. I didn’t want to go through all that hassle. I just wanted to trade. And quite frankly, I didn’t need to go through all that. Why? Because I could do it quicker, easier and make more money more quickly. Because I was special. Above average.

Years later and after serious initial capital losses, I realized I was the successful trader I had started out wanting to be. Through my own route. Ending up at that same destination my mentor had tried so hard to tell me about. I had learned my way. The hard way. The expensive way. I attempted to trade before I developed the characteristics of a successful trader. The wrong way round. The way most would-be traders do it. And he was right. If I had known just what would be involved I would never have undertaken the journey.

Has this put you off? Good. Because if my just telling you this can do it, you would never have lasted the journey anyway. I've saved you time, money and torment.

If however, you have no choice in the matter, you're probably made of trader stuff. Not only will you learn to trade, you will have had to develop skills that will have a value to you far greater than mere trading profits.
 
I thought something I heard recently was of interest.

This is the analogy that trading is like a competitive sport. I like this analogy.

A few years ago I learnt how to wakeboard at a cable ski park. The first day was spent hitting my face in the water time after time after time. I was thinking about all the details - positioning, timing, my mates whizzing by in front of me. It was a painful day and a painful few days later. This wasn't just physical pain but mental pain because I was failing miserably whilst everyone else was going round effortlessly.

To cut a long story short - over time (and through a lot of pain), I became quite proficient, spent weekends out on the boat hitting the wake and ramps, learnt other types of water sports.

Nowadays, I rarely go but when I do - it's like riding a bike. Give me a boat or a cable park, give me water skis, wakeboard or whatever trick boards are around and am I on the water having a blast without even thinking about it. There's no hesitation, there's no thinking about how to position myself, just throttle forward and we are off.

The not thinking about it is the key I think. It has to become a natural process and that will only happen through a reasonable amount of work focusing on a limited set of techniques. You can't make something second nature if you change it every few weeks. This is where a mentor helps in my opinion - it's hard to focus on a limited set of techniques if you have any doubts about them. If you just pull some crap off the internet, how do you really trust it enough to commit so much time to it ?
 
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