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Old Feb 11, 2014, 11:11am   #1
 
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wot u think o these then?

Am interested to see what you guys can glean from these trades.

What i would like to know is:-
1) How you think the trader did in each example
2) What was the traders size
3) What was the method iyo
4) What was the objective
EDIT:-
5) what was the total risk the trader was at

And anything else you feel is relevant


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Old Feb 11, 2014, 11:22am   #2
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Am interested to see what you guys can glean from these trades.

What i would like to know is:-
1) How you think the trader did in each example
2) What was the traders size
3) What was the method iyo
4) What was the objective

And anything else you feel is relevant
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1. Overall the trader lost money (see the P/L in the statement)
2. The size is shown in the statements (0.2 to 0.5)
3. & 4. Not really sure what you're asking re: method & objective...

I'll have a closer look in a bit...
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Am interested to see what you guys can glean from these trades.

What i would like to know is:-
1) How you think the trader did in each example
2) What was the traders size
3) What was the method iyo
4) What was the objective

And anything else you feel is relevant

example 1
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example 2
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No idea what's going on there.
and No I wouldn't run this EA.
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Old Feb 11, 2014, 11:32am   #4
 
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DT:
1. Overall the trader lost money (see the P/L in the statement)
2. The size is shown in the statements (0.2 to 0.5)
3. & 4. Not really sure what you're asking re: method & objective...

I'll have a closer look in a bit...
Cheers for stepping up DJ
Re 3 & 4, Purely what you think (based on the statements) the trader was trying to do.
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No idea what's going on there.
and No I wouldn't run this EA.
EA? This was manual bruv!
And comon, take a stab at the questions
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Old Feb 11, 2014, 11:46am   #6
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Are these your trades?
Only asking as you seem to already know its manual etc.

Sample size isn't any way near enough to gauge anything really.
If they are yours, try SIM testing in Ninja using the method I described here:
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/home...ml#post2278332

Get the replay data from here:
http://marketreplaydata.com/
Otherwise you need to record your own data, or buy tick data:
http://www.tickdata.com/
Note - if you buy tick data, you will have to use Sierra chart as ninja
will not replay tick data.

Last point, many say SIM is worthless.
Bear in mind most prop and IB do use SIM initially.
Also, SIM is only worthless if you don't treat it the same as live,
and that includes standing by losing trades and mistakes - no re-run.
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DT, Ok just taken a look. I'm assuming this is someone's demo account and they're just taking the p*ss?

Edit: So to be more clear - I don't think you actually want anyone to analyse this - correct?

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Old Feb 11, 2014, 11:57am   #9
 
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Are these your trades?
Only asking as you seem to already know its manual etc.
Yep all mine mate.

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Sample size isn't any way near enough to gauge anything really.
For sure but that dont mean we cant try
Theres more than enough data to answer 2&3 imo.
Granted 1&2 are subjective but still, fun to guess.

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If they are yours, try SIM testing in Ninja using the method I described here:
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/home...ml#post2278332

Get the replay data from here:
http://marketreplaydata.com/
Otherwise you need to record your own data, or buy tick data:
http://www.tickdata.com/
Note - if you buy tick data, you will have to use Sierra chart as ninja
will not replay tick data.

Last point, many say SIM is worthless.
Bear in mind most prop and IB do use SIM initially.
Also, SIM is only worthless if you don't treat it the same as live,
and that includes standing by losing trades and mistakes - no re-run.
Sim is great and i share youre view, but sim (or nano size) imo cant test everything.
Go on LV, have a stab.
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Old Feb 11, 2014, 12:00pm   #11
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Example 1 : Just shorts , size is fixed @ 0.5 , result : he lost .

Example 2: Just longs , size reduced from 0.5 to 0.2 after a series of consecutive winnings , then back to 0.5 after a series of consecutive losses , result : made some profits .

The trade sample is too small , however i like the idea that he did scalp in the same direction without switching over and over again . And i like that he did play with the trade size a bit - non martingale - after getting a series of winnings or losses .
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DT, Ok just taken a look. I'm assuming this is someone's demo account and they're just taking the p*ss?

Edit: So to be more clear - I don't think you actually want anyone to analyse this - correct?
Nope, all live, real money, all mine.
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Old Feb 11, 2014, 12:06pm   #13
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Yep all mine mate.

For sure but that dont mean we cant try
Theres more than enough data to answer 2&3 imo.
Granted 1&2 are subjective but still, fun to guess.

Sim is great and i share youre view, but sim (or nano size) imo cant test everything.
Go on LV, have a stab.
Cheers
Really there is no point, you need a sample size of at least 500 as an absolute minimum.
Preferably I would say 1000+ to guage anything meaningful.
Thats why I suggested SIM - its quicker to build that sample size.
Provided you genuinely treat it the same as live otherwise no point.

I don't understand most people's attitude to SIM, backtesting after all
is just historical batch tested SIM.
In fact, although I don't think reading TITZ is anywhere near enough,
that is one point he does cover - the gulf between live and SIM,
and the reasons for that.
Bridge that gap and you have an effective tool for discretionary testing.
EDIT - live testing is obviously essential as well for slippage testing, fill speed etc.

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Old Feb 11, 2014, 12:08pm   #14
 
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first batch - trying to fight the mighty dax to the downside (from top of a range?) and getting cuffed until finally decided to go with it in the second batch. Looks like anticipating momentum bursts, killing them quick if it didn't come (better than in the first batch) and taking profit when momentum faltered.

There's more trades here in an hour than I'd be doing in a week
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There's more trades here in an hour than I'd be doing in a week
Yeah the costs issue alone with retail spreads and comms won't be helping.
Trading with this kind of frequency, you really need to be earning the spread or
at least buy bid, exit market.
Discounted comms is another boost.

That alone is usually the reason most retailers fail with this kind of frequency,
the above factors are usually not an option in the first place.
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