What to do with £1000-£20k

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Hello,
Having noticed that there are many knowledgeable persons here investing money in very different ways, I wanted to ask for a bit of help. I hope I'm posting in the right place.

What is the best (or at least a reasonable) thing you can do with the budget of £1k-20k, taking into account the fact that you will need this money in one year?

Although trading has been of interest to me, I am not so arrogant so as to claim that after a couple of hours I can perform better than professional investors who have been doing it for years. So I would prefer to have it managed rather than manage it on my own.

So I thought it might be reasonable to invest in a fund etc. But - are there any sensible funds which would give returns in such a short period of time (1y)? Or maybe there are some other options (except for ISAs)? How about forex managed accounts?

Thank you for your suggestions!

Best regards,
Theriel
 
Hello,
Having noticed that there are many knowledgeable persons here investing money in very different ways, I wanted to ask for a bit of help. I hope I'm posting in the right place.

What is the best (or at least a reasonable) thing you can do with the budget of £1k-20k, taking into account the fact that you will need this money in one year?

Although trading has been of interest to me, I am not so arrogant so as to claim that after a couple of hours I can perform better than professional investors who have been doing it for years. So I would prefer to have it managed rather than manage it on my own.

So I thought it might be reasonable to invest in a fund etc. But - are there any sensible funds which would give returns in such a short period of time (1y)? Or maybe there are some other options (except for ISAs)? How about forex managed accounts?

Thank you for your suggestions!

Best regards,
Theriel

you could invest in time off to enjoy your life, otherwise the opportunity cost will be too much to sacrifice unless you re a very good trader
 
Given the fact you need it in a year - put it into a savings account. Stay away from the markets, it's not worth the risk.
 
Agree, stay away from investing in the markets if you need that money in a year. Stick it in an ISA. If there was a quick route everybody would be doing it. Look around this forum, there are people who have been here for years have and lost a lot of money and are still trading away.

Forex and all other trading is a very very risky business, only play with money you can afford to lose. These so called 'managed forex' accounts are not worth the hassle or risk and unless you know what you are looking for would avoid them like a minefield. Some show 99% win rate, what doesn't tell you is that during the course of the trade it's usually 400 or so pips to the negative and will probably blow your account.

I'm telling you this so you avoid my mistakes, I was the same three years ago when I was using my student loan at uni to "make a bit extra on the side". Yeah I'm still here, still trading, and never made a bean.
 
All the replies are absolutely right, if you trade that money you will most likely lose most or all of it. If you started today it could take you years to be profitable, if at all.
 
How much Risk are you prepared for?
How much Return are you hoping for?
How long can you leave the money there for?

I know you've answered part of this but if you know the answer to those questions then that will tell you exactly where your hard earned dosh should go.
 
I agree but its a sad state of affairs when everyone tells you not to bother trading...makes you wonder can it be done at all !!
 
If someone came on here saying, Someone has given me a piano which I will want to sell in a year. What do you think I should do with it in the mean time - do you think I should book a few gigs and earn some money playing the piano in my spare time - what advice would you give?
 
Money that's needed in a year should go in cash - end of story.

There are funds that I would confidently expect to be higher in a year's time, but over such a short period it's simply a gamble.

If you must put it into a fund of some kind, you could consider something like Jupiter Financial Opportunities. Apart from the exceptional manager and excellent record in terms of capital preservation, it is very defensively positioned at the moment - around 50% in cash and similar. So if things do go wrong, the short-term damage should be considerably lessened, although the downside is obviously that your potential risk premium is also lessened.

However, you've still got to consider initial charges and whatnot - typically 5% or thereabouts, although you can do it for less through a discount broker or by going direct to something like Fundsnetwork. You could also look at things like ETFs and trackers which should have lower charges.

However, any investment of that type is normally inappropriate for short term holdings.

As for trading - good God NO.

Keep it in cash.
 
If someone came on here saying, Someone has given me a piano which I will want to sell in a year. What do you think I should do with it in the mean time - do you think I should book a few gigs and earn some money playing the piano in my spare time - what advice would you give?


Book a weekend training course with 'piano university', you'll be ready to go Monday morning. If you cant be bothered with that get the home study DVDs. I read a testimonial from Mr W from London who said it worked great and he's making a fortune at it in his spare time.
 
Thank you for your replies.

I can accept *some* risk (that's why I said £1k-20k - the amount invested would depend on the risk of the investment opportunity).

Thank you for the suggestion of Jupiter. I will have a look on that. By the way - how do you choose a fund? Are there any websites which in a clear way present and review some top funds (e.g. taking into account minimum investment etc.) around the world?

Also, I was wondering (probably more thinking about the future) - where can I learn more about portfolio managers and firms providing such services? Unfortunately, Google didn't want to help on this point... it seems like becoming a manager is easier than finding one... ;).
 
Thank you for your replies.

I can accept *some* risk (that's why I said £1k-20k - the amount invested would depend on the risk of the investment opportunity).

Thank you for the suggestion of Jupiter. I will have a look on that. By the way - how do you choose a fund? Are there any websites which in a clear way present and review some top funds (e.g. taking into account minimum investment etc.) around the world?

Also, I was wondering (probably more thinking about the future) - where can I learn more about portfolio managers and firms providing such services? Unfortunately, Google didn't want to help on this point... it seems like becoming a manager is easier than finding one... ;).

Most retail funds tend to have a minimum lump sum of £1000 (£500 in some cases), or regular monthly of £50, although if you go via a platform / supermarket they often accept smaller lumps as part of a larger overall investment.

As for how you choose a fund, that's a complicated question. The most important consideration is what suits you - sorry, but that really is the case. For example, have a look at how First Sate Asia Pacific Leaders performed against its sector or in fact most Asia Pacific Ex Japan funds during the recent unpleasantness. The downside is that the investment process that helps in poor periods should cause the fund to lag during strong bull markets.

As a general rule, I tend to like funds with fairly obvious traits, such as long-standing, experienced managers who have the freedom to back their convictions (no benchmark +/- 5% nonsense), a clearly stated and disciplined investment process, flexibility and so on. But it all depends on your requirements. Look at the Schroder UK Alpha Plus fund - in my opinion excellent, but the manager runs a concentrated and frequently very contrarian portfolio that requires a strong stomach. If you can't hold it through the massive volatility and periods of 4th quartile performance that his style entails, it's not right for you.

There's nothing wrong with starting with the obvious - this is a list of usual suspects that you might like to look into:

UK - Invesco Perpetual High Income, M&G Recovery, Schroder UK Alpha Plus.

Fixed Interest - M&G Optimal Income

Global - Neptune Global Equity, M&G Global Basics

Emerging / Far East - First State Asia Pacific Leaders, First State Global Emerging Markets Leaders, Allianz RCM BRIC Stars

Again though, these might be totally wrong for your circumstances, attitude to risk, personality etc.

If you don't know what you're doing, you really should go to see a good IFA, but make sure you question them closely to gauge how much they understand. Many IFAs in my experience really don't know all that much about the investment side.

Choosing a good one is very difficult without a personal recommendation, but I'd avoid anyone that isn't completely upfront about their charges. There's no hard and fast rule, but for example: you go to a bank and see a tied adviser who flogs you an investment bond and charges 7% upfront for the privilege. Don't be surprised if they're not that bothered about seeing you next year when you want a review but haven't got any more money to invest. On the other hand, if you go to an adviser that charges say 2% upfront and 0.5% trail, there's a better chance that they're going to be interested in keeping you happy.

Doing your own research is a bit tricky as a punter, but you might want to have a look at some of these (just Google them and they'll come out at the top):

Citywire
Morningstar
Trustnet

Another good source is actually the websites of the managers concerned, although many have restricted areas where most of the in-depth information is. S&P produce quite useful reports on a lot of funds - you can sometimes get these via the provider websites.

Be careful with past performance - it's not useless, but you have to be able to interpret it to see if it has any potential relevance. Don't do the usual thing that a lot of punters do - "This property fund has made 60% in the last 3 years - I'd better invest right away!".

If you see a fund that you're interested in, PM and I'll be happy to see if there's any info I can send you on it. Don't forget though that when you're looking at managed funds, you're paying extra charges - the manager has to outperform (or at least perform in a certain way, such as reducing volatility) or it's not worth the additional charges.

All that said, please don't take any of the above as advice - it's just someone's opinion on the internet. If you are unsure, get professional advice from a competent and independent adviser.

Finally (sorry for the ramble lol), money that you "need" (the word that you used) in a year should be kept in cash. No ifs, no buts. Anything else and there is a real risk that you will have less in 12 months than you do now. Markets have been (more or less) straight up for a year - the longer that continues, the closer we come to a decent pullback. That's not a problem if you can ride it out, but if you have a requirement for your money in the short term you could find yourself in the middle of it when you've got to cash out.
 
No such thing as an "independent" advisor, or an expert for that matter.

By all means ask for other people's opinion, but know that the decision rests with you. The system is inherently flawed and corrupt, and attempts to make pawns of everyone.

Question everything, never accept anything at face value as ulterior motive is all too common.
 
If, as you say you want some risk and your total pot is 20k I'd consider something like the following:
75% in cash
20% in ETFs within an ISA for the period (i.e. buy and hold not trade) - I wouldn't put it in a mutual fund for 12 months, fees are going to be too high

5% to 'trade'... in quotes because at £1000 you're probably looking and SB (CFD), and as you're new, probably expect to lose most of this.

Think how much you're prepared to lose and split your sum accordlingly.
 
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