Trade to Win or Something Else?

[SOCRATES]

It's ridiculous.

Trading is about competing, and at the highest level, competing fiercely and not about sharing or nannying at all.

None of this is a creche..or a kindergarten...or a babysitting group.

Having said that, newbies are newbies because they are newbies.

We all have to start somewhere.

And this site provides an interesting venue for open discussion, and a valuable resource for beginners and even the more advanced.

However, not all discussion is suitable for public dissemination.

This is because battle hardened traders acquire edges.....hard earned edges that need and have to be protected.

It is therefore fatuous to expect anything other than mainstream to be discussed on what is essentially a public board.

In that respect, the site fulfils a useful function, and a great resource for anyone starting out and for others who have already left their eggshells and are either fluttering their wings or flown the first few yards.

But as a consequence of natural self interest among the most capable, the most knowledgeable and the most experienced there are limits. Everybody else is free to opinionate about whatever they like, be it right or wrong.

That these limits serve to wind up some people is regrettable, but unavoidable.

And finally, the site is free for the use of members and visitors.

That the site derives revenue one way or the other is immaterial.

 

[Boundler]

jimbo57, I don't understand what your purpose is or why the site managers have gone to such trouble in explaining commercial issues which is none of our business. This is a cracking site and although I'm not qualified to comment on any of the content as I'm totally green, I am concerned that your efforts might result in a negative response which could impact us all. Why don't you just concentrate on the trading issues. The commercial basis of the site is irrelevant. If the management choose to fund their operations through drug money, child pornography and money laundering what do you care. It's their business alone and it doesn't matter how underhand, dirty, biased or crooked they are or you think they are or others think they or they actually are.

Based on what I have read here and in some of the other non-trading forums you have written on, if your views do represent the majority of people you could all show your displeasure by not clicking on any banners or ad links. Not doing any social bookmarking. Not responding to any vendor related advertising. You could even choose to stay away from the site for a week or longer. If everyone who felt the way you did, did that, the management would perhaps get a sense of the degree to which people support your views or not. Of course, if you were to suggest such a course of action, the management would be rightly concerned at your attempts to restrict and diminish their revenue so I wouldn't advice you to do that as they would presumably take steps to prevent you doing so which would only add fuel to your fire.

 

[rols]

The commercial basis of the site is irrelevant. If the management choose to fund their operations through drug money, child pornography and money laundering what do you care. It's their business alone and it doesn't matter how underhand, dirty, biased or crooked they are

I hope you are not serious.

 

[jimbo57]

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[SOCRATES]

jimbo57, I don't understand what your purpose is or why the site managers have gone to such trouble in explaining commercial issues which is none of our business. This is a cracking site and although I'm not qualified to comment on any of the content as I'm totally green, I am concerned that your efforts might result in a negative response which could impact us all. Why don't you just concentrate on the trading issues. The commercial basis of the site is irrelevant. If the management choose to fund their operations through drug money, child pornography and money laundering what do you care. It's their business alone and it doesn't matter how underhand, dirty, biased or crooked they are or you think they are or others think they or they actually are.

Based on what I have read here and in some of the other non-trading forums you have written on, if your views do represent the majority of people you could all show your displeasure by not clicking on any banners or ad links. Not doing any social bookmarking. Not responding to any vendor related advertising. You could even choose to stay away from the site for a week or longer. If everyone who felt the way you did, did that, the management would perhaps get a sense of the degree to which people support your views or not. Of course, if you were to suggest such a course of action, the management would be rightly concerned at your attempts to restrict and diminish their revenue so I wouldn't advice you to do that as they would presumably take steps to prevent you doing so which would only add fuel to your fire.

It is very simple. It is called Resentment against Achievement.

 

[andycan]

everyone is entitled to express an opinion i have read jimbo57 and the T2W teams comments,
unfortunately i dont get it i try and see both sides of a discussion maybe im missing something
i get jimbo's beef but transparency of the T2W business is not ours unless there is a personal issue

Boundler

if this site was funded by drug money or child porn i would be outta here
i get what what you are saying i just would not of phrased it in that manner

 

[SOCRATES]

everyone is entitled to express an opinion i have read jimbo57 and the T2W teams comments,
unfortunately i dont get it i try and see both sides of a discussion maybe im missing something
i get jimbo's beef but transparency of the T2W business is not ours unless there is a personal issue

Boundler

if this site was funded by drug money or child porn i would be outta here
i get what what you are saying i just would not of phrased it in that manner

Of course you don't get it.

You are viewing it from your viewpoint, a normal viewpoint, a constructive and positive one I may add.

Happy, successful and satisfied people do not bother to engage in nit picking of this sort, nor do they engage in resentment against achievement, they just get on with what they've got as every day presents a wonderful array of opportunities to be seized by just pressing buttons, the right ones....consistently....repetiively...relentlessly....

 

[Splitlink]

I hear you Boundler. Already had an exchnage with rosser this morning that has been cleansed in totality. An interesting fact that I raised there (on the WS thread) is that if you post on this thread, it does not show on the Latest Post table on the front page, so is easily missed. Funny that eh?

I suggested we might start a new thread, more prominent than this one, it just takes a little time. But perhaps silence is a way forward too - I will think, in silence, about that for a little while.

It does, you know. I've just seen it which is why I am here.

Split

 

[jimbo57]

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[Sharky]

Boundler/TheBramble have been banned for using multiple nicks. Pretending to be someone you're not will simply not be tolerated on this forum. These forums are provided to exchange trading knowledge they are not here as a playground for children.

Jimbo, the issues you have raised have been extensively debated and answers given. If you don't accept those answers that is up to you but please cease this relentless attack on the reputation of T2W and the moderators before you end up getting banned yourself.

 

[jimbo57]

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[rols]

All at sea.

...a falsehood and deceit that stems I suspect from the highest levels, as invariably of course is always the case...

Well, judging by the purging that is going on by the 'moderators' today (now there is a misnomer) the falsehood and deceit is in control.

Pol Mod rules, he will cull the unfaithful, slaughter the enlightened who will not bow down, and terminate the non believers in Mamon as the new era continues. Supplicate (or at least pay), or be damned!

Things do seem to have turned sour of late. I sincerely hope that this good vessel's vacillations are not swamped by the waves of commercialism that are sweeping across its poop deck.

Is it a coincidence or have these heavy seas worsened since the introduction of the ubiquitous VENDOR prefix I wonder?

Davy Jones awaits an answer.

 

[dbphoenix]

Things do seem to have turned sour of late. I sincerely hope that this good vessel's vacillations are not swamped by the waves of commercialism that are sweeping across its poop deck.

Is it a coincidence or have these heavy seas worsened since the introduction of the ubiquitous VENDOR prefix I wonder?

Davy Jones awaits an answer.

Certainly seems as though the latter is the case. I've noticed a number of new members with "vendor" tags.

And I suggest that the admins -- particularly frugi -- are mistaken in assuming that jimbo has no support because no supporting posts are made (the same mistake was made with regard to Splitlink). That jimbo has been threatened with banishment is not encouraging to those who'd like to express an opinion but believe that being banned is not worth the effort.

I don't see that the "vendor" tag has accomplished much other than open the doors to the henhouse even wider (as well as tearing down the fence) to all those who want to advertise without having to pay for it. This creates friction and eventually frustration (I'm somewhat surprised that the paying advertisers haven't objected). None of this should come as a surprise.

Db

 

[SOCRATES]

Certainly seems as though the latter is the case. I've noticed a number of new members with "vendor" tags.

And I suggest that the admins -- particularly frugi -- are mistaken in assuming that jimbo has no support because no supporting posts are made (the same mistake was made with regard to Splitlink). That jimbo has been threatened with banishment is not encouraging to those who'd like to express an opinion but believe that being banned is not worth the effort.

I don't see that the "vendor" tag has accomplished much other than open the doors to the henhouse even wider (as well as tearing down the fence) to all those who want to advertise without having to pay for it. This creates friction and eventually frustration (I'm somewhat surprised that the paying advertisers haven't objected). None of this should come as a surprise.

Db

What do you mean by "henhouse" or are you impying this website is some sort of chicken run of your imagination?

As usual you get the wrong end of the stick.

It does not matter how many vendors there are or what they vend.

What matters is that this is a valuable resource of reference for those who need it.

Those who do not need information do not need it and those who need it despearately do.

Furhtermore the market is not a kindergarten. It is not a suitable environment for children.

It is only suitable for grown ups, real grown ups, and then, not every grown up is suited to it.

So let us stop this nannying once and for all. Tedious and boring this is getting...

 

[dbphoenix]

What do you mean by "henhouse" or are you impying this website is some sort of chicken run of your imagination?

As usual you get the wrong end of the stick.

It does not matter how many vendors there are or what they vend.

What matters is that this is a valuable resource of reference for those who need it.

Those who do not need information do not need it and those who need it despearately do.

Furhtermore the market is not a kindergarten. It is not a suitable environment for children.

It is only suitable for grown ups, real grown ups, and then, not every grown up is suited to it.

So let us stop this nannying once and for all. Tedious and boring this is getting...

And, as usual, you're rude, obnoxious, and supercilious. But none of those behaviors are against the rules, so knock yourself out.

 

[wasp]

It does not matter how many vendors there are or what they vend.

What matters is that this is a valuable resource of reference for those who need it.

Those who do not need information do not need it and those who need it despearately do.

Furhtermore the market is not a kindergarten. It is not a suitable environment for children.

It is only suitable for grown ups, real grown ups, and then, not every grown up is suited to it.

So let us stop this nannying once and for all. Tedious and boring this is getting...

I couldn't agree more.

 

[jimbo57]

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[Sharky]

It's not suprising that more members are popping up with vendor tags as it's part of the registration process now, and so new members are forced to declare if they have a commerical interest. Likewise it's not suprising that a fair few members have a commercial interest, since its a community forum anyone in the industry is likely to participate. There's greater visibility now because of the tag, but that's what people wanted. We went through this whole process months ago, polled the members and the system was set up on a unanimous basis. Just because they're a vendor doesn't mean they can advertise on the forums - as is clearly stated in the guidelines - we do our best to enfore them. Obviously they'll be times when it's not black and white, and so we need to make judgements as to what is. But moderation has always been independent from any commercial aspects of the site and not influenced in any way, shape or form.

Quality of the forums is paramount - always has been. If you think things should be done any differently then tell us - but please don't imply that there is anything underhand going on between T2W and any vendors because this is a complete lie. The site is free, it's paid for by advertising, the forums are there for open discussions and not for advertising, the mods apply the site guidelines to the best of their abilities, the mods derive no financial benefit from T2W, the mods do a bloody brilliant job considering this is the case. It's really that simple.

If members want us to now scrap the whole vendor system or tighten up/loosen moderation then we'll listen - but it's not necessary to ram it down our throats or make wild accusations - there comes a point when it becomes abusive, and I don't see why I or the mods should suffer it any more than any other member of this site.

On a side note - if anyone spots a google advert (the text one) that they think looks suspect, then please report it to me or one of the mods because there is a way to filter out invididual websites - as we have already taken steps to do in the past.

 

[SOCRATES]

And, as usual, you're rude, obnoxious, and supercilious. But none of those behaviors are against the rules, so knock yourself out.

Don't you think we have of the nanny state insidiously permeating our lives enough already without you trying to bring nannying into the trading environement for good measure or just to read yourself in print, no matter what ?

Don't you know that trading is an occupation for grown ups who do not need nannying ?

Nannying is for children, not for traders.

Well...at least for some traders....but not for some of us...so please change the tune because it is repetiive and boring. Thank you.