Originally Posted by Socrates
And I have not finished with you Jimbo, by any means.
...indeed-
ground level though is probably too kind, always assuming of course that there is not better to be found beneath this somewhat arbitrary level given the diversification of the earth's species.
And I have not finished with you Jimbo, by any means.
...indeed-
ground level though is probably too kind, always assuming of course that there is not better to be found beneath this somewhat arbitrary level given the diversification of the earth's species.
"not fair" - that's emotional.temptrader said:
Do you thing the market cares about what's fair or not fair as far as as you are concerned. ?
It may seem hash, but when you understand what is really meant by a market, then you will stop using phrases such as "fair" and "unfair" and take full responsibilty for your actions and their consequences.
Charlton
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Charlton,
That was my point precisely, but you failed to read between the lines.
Nature has no concept of fair - ask any biologist. Nor has the market, it just is.
There are loads of people who takes TOTAL responsibility for their actions and their consequences, yet they still lose all the time, it may be a necessary condition for success but it is not SUFFICIENT. Socrates once said something along the lines of "we are talking about the naturally gifted. . . ".
That was my point precisely, but you failed to read between the lines.
Nature has no concept of fair - ask any biologist. Nor has the market, it just is.
There are loads of people who takes TOTAL responsibility for their actions and their consequences, yet they still lose all the time, it may be a necessary condition for success but it is not SUFFICIENT. Socrates once said something along the lines of "we are talking about the naturally gifted. . . ".
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his purpleness said:
You know, Socco, the more the read you, the more I agree and understand you. That was a genuine compliment in case you missed it by the way, and I rarely ever give out compliments, even in ordinary working life.
des44 said:
If you haven't worked it out already, I was goading you, des44.
his purpleness said:
yes, that's terribly true, but alas, there aren't many that are successful due to reasons stipulated above. The general population aren't meant to succeed, I am afraid that's nature's way.
You say that you admire Einstein, strange thing is I know a lot about him and will be shortly studying his works. He had an interesting life, but someone of his calibre comes once every century at most.
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There he goes again . .
SOCRATES: Don't you just love him? :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
SOCRATES: Don't you just love him? :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
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You probably also need to join a gym, and get into shape and change your wardrobe, and get some fresh air, and perhaps even meet some naughty girls looking for fun...all these things...being a couch potato and sulking is not going to get you anywhere, either in trading or in life itself ...is it eh?SOCRATES said:You need to get out more, much more than you are currently getting out.
Perhaps even join a Salsa dancing class....that would get you to move and have some fun while you are at it
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his purpleness said:You probably also need to join a gym, and get into shape and change your wardrobe, and get some fresh air, and perhaps even meet some naughty girls looking for fun...all these things...being a couch potato and sulking is not going to get you anywhere, either in trading or in life itself ...is it eh?
Perhaps even join a Salsa dancing class....that would get you to move and have some fun while you are at it
Socrates, dear boy, are you not by any chance talking about yourself there?
I admit it, I'm young, but I have to tell you I'm in great shape, I'm also one of those few members of the population who can eat what he likes and still not get fat
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No I am not. This sound advice offered to fatboy, not you.temptrader said:Socrates, dear boy, are you not by any chance talking about yourself there?
I admit it, I'm young, but I have to tell you I'm in great shape, I'm also one of those few members of the population who can eat what he likes and still not get fat
temptrader said:
Perhaps traders or people who come to the market need to work really hard at developing (reprogramming) a collection of suitable attributes to include always responsibility,even for inaction.
Being responsible is no bad thing, even if you are tagged irresponsible its up to each to be aware and check maybe, the aspect in question is best considering the circumstance ,acceptance pops up, with options.
The will to be able to choose the opposite despite gasps from outsiders is a strength? (i'd say yes as people generally seek reasurrance from those with same opinions to feel secure? well maybe not strength but a more suitable view based on we are all individuals then why not go with our own individual view? ). Its o.k because you accept responsibilty for your decisions.
Thinking on it, we come to the markets perhaps with a typical neurosis sustained in our lives to date or indeed a collection of, typically having a label of a psychosis, its our task maybe to open up to ourselves ,and adopt or install , or programme a neurosis or a collection of to develop a psychosis of behavior/ specifically tailored to the market place, and we perhaps need (or maybe its bloody handy) to perceive and understand that which is in itself , that nature of or the function of the entity, us and It.
errr anyone?
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his purpleness said:
if that is the case, then pray tell how you managed to work out that bizzarrdi is:
1) fat? when we have no photo of him?
2) hetrosexual? when he has not in anyway stated his sexual preferences, be it male, female, young adults and/or children, members of the royal family, inanimate objects etc . . .
3) lacking fashion sense? I don't know what his wardrobe looks like, do you?
4) does not engage in Salsa dancing already?
as you can see this is all rather pressumptous of you?
Oh, and in case you missed it:
was referring to YOU, and not bizzarrdi
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Well, it is obvious isn't it ?. It may be denied categorically, but it is as obvious as obvious can be, that's all.temptrader said:
I will tell you a little anecdote.
Years ago, in the middle of a seminar in which I was a speaker, there was a member of the audience who kept interrupting with silly questions. I answered all of them until I got fed up with it.
I then posed a question in the form of a puzzle to the class (not related to trading by the way) in which they had to work out the answer for themselves.
The time allotted to carry out this task was three minutes.
When the three minutes were up, each one was invited to submit his answer.
Coincidentally all the answers given were incorrect.......except that I left the persistent questioner for the last....he was very proud and very pleased to give a perfect answer.
Except....that he had cheated.
He had cheated because after 30 seconds had elapsed he got up...and walked over to have a look out of the window, whilst everyone else was grafting at solving the problem.
He...knew the answer in advance...
How did I know this and was able to prove it ?
Simple :~ As he already knew the answer in advance, he did not have the patience to sit it out and pretend. He gave himself away by acting the way he did.
That stopped him from interrupting with nonsense from then on.
All of these things are obvious.
The markets are the same, obvious. Everything in them is obvious. Anyone who is not able to recognise the significance of the obvious should not be trading or even thinking of trading.
That is why I have arrived at the conclusion that traders are born, and not made.
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Newton, Maxwell, Einstein . . . were born that way and not made that way. In this century we have Witten. However having talent is of no use if you don't get to use it. A E Houseman went through a crappy job at the patent office like Einstein before he took up his professorship in his thirties.
However I think trading is worse, because you got to go through the pain, tedium, financial hardship etc . . unless you're very to get your foot in the door careerwise. I remember the mathematician Micheal Atiyah once saying in an interview that A levels were when he had to work the hardest, it was relatively easy after that.
