Time. The cause of the effect of natural order out of chaos?

[Crap Buddist]

Is it ? or is it possible , what do people think ?

 

[Crap Buddist]

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I was in the garden earlier and thought about making a sun dial , now then i put a pointer on top and & 12 mid day noted the shadows position, my wife said thats north then , the shadow at that time, which seemed right, although not sure, I think you can navigate using shadows and time.

TIME, i thought , crikey is natural order , does it or is it totally controlled by time, including financial markets?

lol. help.

 

[Bez]

Well the Delta theory I use is based on the time relationship between the Sun the Moon and the Earth..

The only thing I took note of is: its right more times than its wrong

 

[trendie]

this should be a good thread, CB.

Didnt Gann think time was more important, since it identified turning points and such?

Anyway, the question itself is quite broad, so you might want to postulate something more specific.
Somewhere on this site, there was a guy who suggested trading the full-moon cycles on the Dow.
(And Delta is all moon-cycles and such.)

I dont know if it has been suggested before, but how about resetting all our charts to 25-hours cycles?
( I read somewhere that the human bodys natural rhythm is 25 hours, not 24. So this might explain periods of productivity and ineffectiveness, and this may get reflected in the markets, since they are a reflection of peoples moods, etc. )

 

[PKFFW]

Is not time merely an illusional frame of reference? A construct of the mind?

If it were not such, would it not then be the fifth fundamental force of the universe?

 

[Crap Buddist]

this should be a good thread, CB.

Didnt Gann think time was more important, since it identified turning points and such?

Anyway, the question itself is quite broad, so you might want to postulate something more specific.Somewhere on this site, there was a guy who suggested trading the full-moon cycles on the Dow.
(And Delta is all moon-cycles and such.)

I dont know if it has been suggested before, but how about resetting all our charts to 25-hours cycles?
( I read somewhere that the human bodys natural rhythm is 25 hours, not 24. So this might explain periods of productivity and ineffectiveness, and this may get reflected in the markets, since they are a reflection of peoples moods, etc. )

i cant at the moment trendie ,it just popped into my head and i have not concentrated on it further, hence me opening the thread. Perhaps some others can nudge further or toss more ideas into the pot. And we'll see if we can sort time out.

 

[Crap Buddist]

Is not time merely an illusional frame of reference? A construct of the mind?

If it were not such, would it not then be the fifth fundamental force of the universe?

hmm, yes I see what you mean with the illusional bit, the sun's shadow on a fixed plate, we can see what ? and meaure what? Well the suns shadow moving around marking off the suns movement, planetary movements ,thats what its measuring?

So time may not even exist or time is the measure of the sun moving, but it does exist then?

Ive come to a thumping halt , a dead end on it at the mo , but it is nearly 5 AM here. or sun at east o'clock. different time zones? different sun zones?

 

[jacinto]

time.......we think time is a linear function only because that is the way we measure it, in identical increments.

but, is time really linear? if we could think of time in a different way, wouldnt that change our perception of price as a function of time?

j

 

[Charlton]

Time and Trading

Is it ? or is it possible , what do people think ?

To make a profit in trading involves at least 2 dimensions:

- Linear : market direction and extent of market direction at least to cover costs

- Time

Time - entry and exit points, where time and the linear dimension come together in the correct formation and at the best point in the market or instrument's cycle

Time - certain times in the market e.g. first and last hours of opening, lunchtime we can see different behaviour patterns

Time - watch orders on level 2. How do they move in boh quantity and price level as a function of time ? Accelerating, decelerating, fast, slow, static

Time - time window over which prices rise and fall. What is its importance ? What is the lost opportunity cost of alternative trades/investments durnig the same time window ?

Time - time decay of certain instruments such as options

Time - futurology

Time - TO GO

Charlton

 

[Crap Buddist]

To make a profit in trading involves at least 2 dimensions:

- Linear : market direction and extent of market direction at least to cover costs

- Time

Time - entry and exit points, where time and the linear dimension come together in the correct formation and at the best point in the market or instrument's cycle

Time - certain times in the market e.g. first and last hours of opening, lunchtime we can see different behaviour patterns

Time - watch orders on level 2. How do they move in boh quantity and price level as a function of time ? Accelerating, decelerating, fast, slow, static

Time - time window over which prices rise and fall. What is its importance ? What is the lost opportunity cost of alternative trades/investments durnig the same time window ?

Time - time decay of certain instruments such as options

Time - futurology

Time - TO GO

Charlton

yes I can see how time can effect and produce the cause of price change ,as you example for instance opening and lunchtime and effects on price , so does this evidence or back up the theory that time is the ruler and effects all things , including financial markets.

sort of heading towards.

Time governs supply & demand, which governs price. :?:

 

[Glenn]

There are many who believe that the markets are Chaotic rather than Random, myself included.
There are two approaches (other than Delta and Gann) that I know of which unravel the chaos in the markets to identify points in time in the future when 'something' will happen.
They do not point to what will happen, but point to the time of it - a kind of futureology.
The essence of how they work is based on Chaos theory.
In simple terms an event (e.g. News, rumour etc which would represent an Initial Condition in Chaos Theory) will cause decaying ripples in the market like a stone thrown into water. The ripples interract with ripples from other events and from other ripple interractions to make new ripples. Essentially you are looking at additive, subtractive or net-zero waveform combinations.
There are 8 different things that can happen at the appointed time but you do not know which it one will be on each occasion. However the most frequent happening is a reversal, which many might jump on gleefully to use as the Entry and forget all about the more important topics of Risk Management, Exit, Position Size, Expectancy etc.
And just to make things more complex, there are often periods when Price gets ahead of Time or vice versa, so the appointed time shifts and you have to be able to identify these aberrations and make adjustments for them, or if you are unsure, stand aside and do nothing.

Glenn

 

[Arek Okrasa]

Gann Management

Hello Glenn

Sorry to asking you but have you used Gann software before? Do you have any experience on this. If yes, could you share a bit, please...

Thank you
Arek

There are many who believe that the markets are Chaotic rather than Random, myself included.
There are two approaches (other than Delta and Gann) that I know of which unravel the chaos in the markets to identify points in time in the future when 'something' will happen.
They do not point to what will happen, but point to the time of it - a kind of futureology.
The essence of how they work is based on Chaos theory.
In simple terms an event (e.g. News, rumour etc which would represent an Initial Condition in Chaos Theory) will cause decaying ripples in the market like a stone thrown into water. The ripples interract with ripples from other events and from other ripple interractions to make new ripples. Essentially you are looking at additive, subtractive or net-zero waveform combinations.
There are 8 different things that can happen at the appointed time but you do not know which it one will be on each occasion. However the most frequent happening is a reversal, which many might jump on gleefully to use as the Entry and forget all about the more important topics of Risk Management, Exit, Position Size, Expectancy etc.
And just to make things more complex, there are often periods when Price gets ahead of Time or vice versa, so the appointed time shifts and you have to be able to identify these aberrations and make adjustments for them, or if you are unsure, stand aside and do nothing.

Glenn