Futures Commodities The Secret of Reduced Market Spreads

One of the best kept secrets in trading is that of reduced margin spreads. You cannot name a trading method that provides more safety or a greater return on margin than does a reduced margin spread, while also being one of the least time-consuming ways to trade. Have you ever asked yourself why it is that many of the largest, most powerful traders trade spreads? I'm going to show you why!

What is a reduced margin spread?

Because of perceived lower volatility, exchanges grant reduced margins on certain types of spreads. Spreads consist of being long in one or more contracts of one market and short in one or more contracts of the same market but in different months - an intramarket spread; or being long in one or more contracts of one market and short one or more contracts of a different market, and in the same or different months - an intermarket spread.

Distortions about spreads

There are some distortions about spread trading that need to be dispelled. If we get them out of the way, I can show you the tremendous advantages spread trading has over any other form of trading.

It is said that spreads do not move as much as outright futures. I agree 100% with that statement. However, spreads trend much more often than outright futures, they trend much more dramatically than outright futures, and they trend for longer periods of time than do the outright futures. For these reasons you can make much more money with spreads than with the
outrights.

The second distortion about spread trading goes like this: "You have to pay double commissions when you trade spreads." Yes! You have to pay two commissions for every spread you enter in the market. So what? You are trading two contracts instead of one. You pay two commissions because you are trading two separate contracts, one in one place and the other in an entirely different place. Paying two commissions for two separate trades is hardly unfair. Let me tell you what is unfair - paying a round turn commission for an option that expires worthless. Why don't you hear people complaining about that? You pay for a round turn, and you receive only half a turn. Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?

Advantages of Spread Trading

There are so many advantages to trading reduced margin spreads that I hope I don't run out of room here before I can tell you all of them. Let's begin with return on margin, i.e., yield.

Yield: As I write this, the margin to trade an outright futures position in crude oil is $4,725, whereas a spread trade in crude oil requires only $540, only 11.4% as much. If crude oil futures move one full point, that move is worth $1,000. If a crude oil spread moves one full point, that move is worth $1,000. That means either a 1 point favorable move in crude oil futures or a 1 point favorable move in a crude oil spread earns the trader $1,000. However, the difference in return on margin is extraordinary: In the futures the return is $1,000/$4,725=21%. For the spread, the return is $1000/540=185%. Think about that!

Leverage: This leads us to the next benefit of spread trading - with the same amount of margin, you could have traded 4 soybean spreads instead of one soybean futures. How's that for leverage? Instead of making $250 on a five point move, you could have made $1,000. Reduced margin spreads offer a much more efficient use of your margin money.

Trend: Earlier I said that spreads tend to trend much more dramatically than outright futures contracts. Not only that, but they trend more often than do outright futures. I don't have room here to show you the dozens of sharply trending spreads that can regularly be found in the markets, so we'll have to settle for a recent one. You'll have to take my word for it that this sort of trending happens frequently when trading spreads.

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Opportunities: Because spreads tend to trend more often and more dramatically than do outright futures contracts, they offer more opportunities for earning money, and they do so without the interference and noise caused by computerized trading, scalpers, and market movers. Spreads avoid the "noise" in the markets. There are numerous reduced margin spread opportunities, enough to keep almost any trader busy. And it is the lack of interference by market makers and shakers that leads us to one of the most important advantage of trading spreads, whether they be reduced margin or full margin.

Invisibility: One of the primary problems with any kind of trading in the outrights, whether it be in futures or stocks, is that of stop running. The insiders love it when they can see your order. Even when your entry or exit is held mentally, they know where it is. They are keenly aware of where people place their orders. That is why they love Fibonacci and Gann traders. They know precisely where those people will place their orders. The same is true for anyone who uses one of the more commonly known indicators. The insiders fade moving average crossovers, and so-called overbought and oversold - regardless of which indicator is used to show either of those conditions. They know when prices have reached the outer limits of the Bollinger Bands, and they know the location of supposed support and resistance, etc. But with spreads, they have no idea of the location of your orders. You are long in one market and short in another. Your position is invisible to the insiders. They can't run your stop, because you don't have one. You cannot place a stop order in the market when trading spreads! Your exit point is entirely mental; it exists exclusively in your head. In that respect, spread trading is a more pure form of trading. It is the closest thing in trading to having a level playing field. Could that be the reason you hardly ever hear about spread trading?

Liquidity: Attempting to trade in "thin" illiquid markets is one of the surest ways to encounter serious stop running and bizarre price movements. However, other than occasional problems with getting filled, spread trading does not suffer from a lack of liquidity - which in itself creates more trading opportunities. I would never consider taking an outright position in feeder cattle. Feeders are a thin, illiquid market normally best left to professional interests. But a reduced margin (feeder cattle)-(live cattle) spread is something I look for all the time. Some of the moves in this particular spread are incredible. They are worth hundreds and even thousands of dollars per spread, several times a year. They are highly seasonal in nature due to the birth and growth cycles of cattle. The same thing is true of spreading both live and feeder cattle against lean hogs. These spreads are seasonal, which brings us to the next great advantage to spread trading - seasonality.

Seasonality: Whereas seasonality doesn't always take place as planned, i.e., seasonality can come early, late, or not at all, but when it is happening, you can see it. It is obvious when a seasonal trade is working as expected. Seasonality is not subject to the whims of man. Seasonality is one of the strongest reasons for trading spreads. Crops are planted within a given period of time. Calves and piglets are born according to their birth cycle and they grow according to their growth cycle. Even futures based on financial instruments are seasonal, and many of them offer reduced margin spreads.

Backwardation: Along with seasonality comes the huge profits that can be made when an underlying goes into backwardation. This is true for any agricultural commodity as well as any financial instrument. I don't have space here to explain backwardation, but when it occurs, which is commonplace, the spread between front and back months widens tremendously, thereby offering marvelous profit-making opportunities to the spread trader. As if that weren't enough, the same opportunity becomes available when the period of backwardation ends and the relationship between front and back months returns to normal.

Probabilities: If we eliminate those trades in the outrights in which you get yourself whipsawed in a sideways market and maybe win or lose a little, the actual odds of winning on any trade is 50%. If you are long and prices move down, you lose. Conversely, if you are short and prices move up, you lose. It doesn't matter how accurate is your trade selection, the bottom line is that your chances of being right once you enter a trade are one in two. However, when you enter a spread you are not primarily concerned with the direction of prices. Your primary concern is with the direction of the spread.

With a spread you can make money when both legs of the spread are moving up, both legs are moving down, when both legs are moving sideways but one more so than the other, or best of all, when the leg you are long is moving up and the leg you are short is moving down! As long as the leg you are long is moving better than the leg you are short, you will have a winning trade. There is only one situation in which you can lose with a spread, and that is to be dead wrong about both legs. So with a spread you can win even if you were wrong about the direction of price movement, as long as you're not too wrong. The chart gives you an idea of what I'm talking about. Both months of this natural gas trade were moving down, but the spread was widening and moving up.

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There are additional opportunities in spread trading, including spreads that require full margin. You can trade spreads with stock indexes, sector funds, and single stock futures. Did you know you can daytrade stock index spreads? These are topics for another day and another time.

Unfortunately, either by accident or design, much of the truth of spread trading has been lost over the years. There are many more aspects to it than I have touched on here. Furthermore, there are some wonderful and inexpensive tools available that make spread trading a delight. Spread trading is one of the most relaxed ways to trade. It rarely takes more than 1-2 hours of your time each day, and more often than not, we are talking about only minutes per day to seek out and trade the wonderful opportunities that are available in reduced margin spreads.

Now that I've told you about spreads, my secret is no longer a secret.
 
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Hi

I have read this article which I found very interesting. I have been aware of futures spread trading for a couple of years now and the concept is very appealing to me.

However, there are a number of things which have prevented me from delving further in to this. The article has re- sparked my interest as this form of trading seems suited to position trading over a number of days which is my preferred method of trading (due to day job).

The concerns/ items I would like to discuss are as follows:-

1. Charting. How does one go about producing spread charts which is effectively the difference between 2 contracts? Can it be done on web based services or is specialist software required?

2. The sheer number of futures contracts across different markets is enormous. Some have low liquidity etc. How do you begin to establish things like which futures to spread between?
How to take account of seasonality/ features of each market etc when such a wide range are available?

3. Stops. There is a lack of ability to place a stop. This makes me uncomfortable!

4. Is it realistically possible to use an SB account for this? Is a futures account strictly required- if so, what are minimum account requirements etc?

These are the main areas I would like to discuss wit anyone experienced with this type of trading.

It is certainly an area I would like to explore more deeply as a way of diversifying my trading which is purely fx at the moment.

Kind regards

Darren
 
Hi Darren

1. Charting. How does one go about producing spread charts which is effectively the difference between 2 contracts? Can it be done on web based services or is specialist software required?
There is web-based software that will do it. Have a look at Tradingeducators.com for details. I know ESignal will produce a spread chart

2. The sheer number of futures contracts across different markets is enormous. Some have low liquidity etc. How do you begin to establish things like which futures to spread between?
How to take account of seasonality/ features of each market etc when such a wide range are available?
I use MRCI which is what Joe Ross recommends :cool:
They've produce scanning software which highlights which spreads are likely to be positive.

3. Stops. There is a lack of ability to place a stop. This makes me uncomfortable!
It's not quite as scary as you think, as Joe mentioned in this article, spreads chart trend a lot better so IMVHO it is unlikely that a chart will reverse quick enough to be a problem. You do have to be disciplined when it comes to using stops, but then you do with all forms of trading.

4. Is it realistically possible to use an SB account for this? Is a futures account strictly required- if so, what are minimum account requirements etc?
I've looked into this and the choice of commodities offered by the SB is too poor to trade them really. You would also lose the reduce margin spread as well :cry:

HTH :)
 
Forget trading spreads on an SB account, the bid/offer spreads will kill you. Only way is with exchange access.
I would not even trade outright commodities, bar precious, on an SB account as the spreads are totally unacceptable, I can only think that they have a serious lack of commodity expertise in these companies.
 
Thanks Guys. As expected re SB accounts!

I have just ordered a book on this from Global Investor. "Futures spread trading: a complete guide" which seems to give a good backround. I looked at the Joe Ross book, but at over £100 it seems a bit pricey!

Will read and digest this first and have a look at some of the links above. (Thanks Mark).

What sort of funds are required to open a reasonably capitalised futures account to trade spreads on a minimum contract size? Also, would a futures account allow access to all types of futures on all exchanges? To date, I have no experience of using futures accounts as I trade spot fx only.

Cheers

Darren
 
darrenf said:
1. Charting. How does one go about producing spread charts which is effectively the difference between 2 contracts? Can it be done on web based services or is specialist software required?

You can chart relationships between futures at http://www.futuresource.com/charts/micro.jsp

Eg "YMH05-ESH05". Or, if you were so minded: "(NQH05+ESH05+YMH05)/3"
 
twalker said:
Forget trading spreads on an SB account, the bid/offer spreads will kill you. Only way is with exchange access.
I would not even trade outright commodities, bar precious, on an SB account as the spreads are totally unacceptable, I can only think that they have a serious lack of commodity expertise in these companies.

How about trading a pair of pairs? ie cable and euro? if you were looking at playing days / weeks then the spread wouldnt matter so much. Ive always liked the way the 'difference' trends and ranges but the thing thats turned me of so far is how to protect your position, even how to alert yourself to a possible position unless youre using a dedicated platform. :rolleyes:
 
Hi DT

Yeah, I've thought about that and I have traded the "crosses" before. You can of course trade cable / euro by just trading EUR/GBP which commonly has a low spread and you have no issue with placing stops/ limits/ contingents etc or setting alerts blah blah. I have also traded eur/jpy and eur/chf crosses but I have gravitated back towards the majors as (for currencies at least) the majors seem less spikey than the crosses at the moment.

(Take a look at the EURGBP chart for a major spike over the xmas period- although xmas is probably best avoided anyway, but more pronounced on cross charts than the majors).

I know this isn't always the case (eur/jpy was very smooth a couple of years ago) but if the crosses are more spikey than the majors then surely makes more sense to play the majors?
 
darrenf said:
Hi DT

Yeah, I've thought about that and I have traded the "crosses" before. You can of course trade cable / euro by just trading EUR/GBP which commonly has a low spread and you have no issue with placing stops/ limits/ contingents etc or setting alerts blah blah. I have also traded eur/jpy and eur/chf crosses but I have gravitated back towards the majors as (for currencies at least) the majors seem less spikey than the crosses at the moment.

(Take a look at the EURGBP chart for a major spike over the xmas period- although xmas is probably best avoided anyway, but more pronounced on cross charts than the majors).

I know this isn't always the case (eur/jpy was very smooth a couple of years ago) but if the crosses are more spikey than the majors then surely makes more sense to play the majors?

hello darren
i have to admit that when i looked at the £$ vs E$ as a pair it didnt look anything like a £E chart, thats what took my interest. i was probably looking at the chart upside down lol ;)

the way i worked it was to subtract the value of E$ from £$ in excel, the result was quite a nice looking chart. this is probably the bit where i should say im a total spread noob ;)
 
darrenf said:
What sort of funds are required to open a reasonably capitalised futures account to trade spreads on a minimum contract size? Also, would a futures account allow access to all types of futures on all exchanges? To date, I have no experience of using futures accounts as I trade spot fx only.
Hi Darren

In terms of funding, realistically $10,000 is a reasonable amount.
A futures account would allow access to all exchanges.

HTH
 
As far as charting the spread. . .

CQG will chart it (the 5yr./10yr. spread for instance would be 3*FVH5-2*TYH5). Or if you use TT, you can pay for the autospreader (wouldn't actually use it though for order execution) and it will show you the spread market in a pretty straight forward way. Never seriously traded spreads but I played around with it awhile ago for a couple weeks and that is what I used.

Z
 
What is the problem with execution via the autospreader?

ZiggieCME said:
Or if you use TT, you can pay for the autospreader (wouldn't actually use it though for order execution)
Z
 
Hi darrenf

darrenf said:
Hi

1. Charting. How does one go about producing spread charts which is effectively the difference between 2 contracts? Can it be done on web based services or is specialist software required?

There are two types of spead charts one is price and the other is an equity spread chart.
Price spread charts are used when the two contracts in question are alike ie wheat and corn are similiar in that they are both 5000 bushels in size so 1c move in both equals $50. Here straight subtraction of one from the other will give you the required result.

These can be constructed online at www.britefutures.com, no cost. Some brokers offer good charting packages free which can perform this function like xpresstrade.com for one.

The other type of spread is an equity spread, this is used when the 2 contracts in question are completely different in spec. ie crude oil/ heating oil or soybeans/soymeal. Here the price has to be converted to an equity figure per contract and then subtracted.

ie Soybean 542c x 5000 bushels= $ 27100
Beanmeal $ 213 x 100T = $ 21300

so Soybean is $ 5800 premium over meal. 5800 is the spread value. This is a bit more complex and requires something like, Metastock, tradestation or esignal. I know with Metastock to create a spread chart like this is not difficult.

cheers
 
The TT autospreader will sometimes miss legs so you just have to be careful. Its best just to leg it yourself.

Z
 
Thanks for all the info.

My book arrived this am from GI so I will read and digest this to give me some background.
 
Trading Spreads

Hi all

I am looking at Trading Spreads and wondered if anyone had read/used Joe Ross's book "Trading Spreads & Seasonals?
Is it any good for £100?
How easy is it to trade spreads in the UK?

thanks
 
monarch said:
Hi all

I am looking at Trading Spreads and wondered if anyone had read/used Joe Ross's book "Trading Spreads & Seasonals?
Is it any good for £100?
How easy is it to trade spreads in the UK?

thanks

I bought the book and I think it's a good read. (Remember there's no holy grail) I try to think what the little amount of study costs can save me in stead of what they cost me.
 
Can't wait, to read more on this subject and to see examples. So please continue to write about it.
 
ERA said:
Hi darrenf

darrenf said:
Hi

1. Charting. How does one go about producing spread charts which is effectively the difference between 2 contracts? Can it be done on web based services or is specialist software required?

There are two types of spread charts one is price and the other is an equity spread chart.
Price spread charts are used when the two contracts in question are alike ie wheat and corn are similar in that they are both 5000 bushels in size so 1c move in both equals $50. Here straight subtraction of one from the other will give you the required result.

These can be constructed online at www.britefutures.com, no cost. Some brokers offer good charting packages free which can perform this function like xpresstrade.com for one.

The other type of spread is an equity spread, this is used when the 2 contracts in question are completely different in spec. ie crude oil/ heating oil or soybeans/soymeal. Here the price has to be converted to an equity figure per contract and then subtracted.

ie Soybean 542c x 5000 bushels= $ 27100
Beanmeal $ 213 x 100T = $ 21300

so Soybean is $ 5800 premium over meal. 5800 is the spread value. This is a bit more complex and requires something like, Metastock, tradestation or esignal. I know with Metastock to create a spread chart like this is not difficult.

cheers

Hi ERA - I have just been playing with the free spread charting facility on Britefutures. As you mentioned very useful for equivalent for spreads of equivalently priced contracts.

I wondered where I might be able to view charts of historic spreads? I would be interested in finding whether there are repeatable spread cycles that occur at certain times of the years etc?

Of course any further guidance would be much appreciated.

Since you are familiar with this subject I wondered if you would be able to advice a book on the subject? Howard Abell's was slated on Amazon. Courtney Smiths attracted decent reviews but is based purely on fundamentals. I wouldn't want to dismiss the use of technical trading with spread charts before I even begin.

The reviews of Joe Ross's books are mixed but positive overall. However it's by far th most expensive.

I just wondered, again, if you could recommend a suitabletext?

Thanks, FN
 
hi fastnet,

You asked me a similiar question in the threat ' Joe Ross Trading Seminar and Courses' page 10 a while back, my answer there would be much the same as here, I think Moore's weekly spread commentary free trial would let you get access to all the historic charts you want. Just print them out during the trial and keep them for reference later.

Books wise I have 2 books on spreads seasonality, Abell's which I agree with the Amazon reviews is pish! poor but it was cheap so felt I got what I paid for. And one of Jake Bernsteins books on Seasonality with a far section on spreads, that was better with some original stuff and insights unlike our friend ol' Howard Abell.

I can't comment so much on Joe Ross's book, I have only one of his books , 'Trading Optures and Futions', which I have to say I found some interesting views and concepts there, but a lot of ' with hindsight' example , in my opinion . One thing about his books they look impressive, big and solid , lethal for squashing cockroaches, but huge writing and lots of blank and and half filled pages leaving the feeling that you got less than paid for. But all said I think JR is pretty solid in his writing.

I also was reading one of your other posts regarding returns on spreads and how you would have to increase the number of contracts to match the return on an outright. I think it is always important to few returns as a percentage of margin, so potential returns on spreads in that light are not to bad.

I think the key to increasing contracts to match returns in the outright is not to do it concentrated in one market but to increase the number of spreads across a broad range of markets. The reduced margins of spreads allows you to do that, the ability to diversify is far greater in relation to the margin available in an account in this respect . And the diversification reduces risk and volitility.

Just going back to Moore's typical spread analysis, with seasonality where a spread trade has performed positively 13 out of the last 15 years lets say, there is always the chance that it will fail this year, but when a series of simliar seasonal spreads all with 13 or 14 yrs out of 15 are on at the same time that diversification increases the number trades and potential return on the account overall but at the same time the chances that all of those trades going bad is a lot less that if it was just one big trade.

The ability to diversify and spread risk over many a number of positions due to the smaller margins of spreads , I think is an advantage often over looked.

Hope that help Fastnet.

Cheers
era
 
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