Scary Socialists Out To Get Us

[glyder]

I'm getting concerned that this G20 meeting or some other similar meeting later on is going to implement some really daft rules that really do affect the markets and a trader's ability to make money on the markets.

There are ideas coming from every angle from politicians and bureaucrats to interfere, tax, tame, or reduce activity/volatility on the markets. At the rate its going one of these ridiculous ideas will be implemented. I will be so totally peed off if just now as I am getting the hang of trading these bloody marxists come and F*@# it all up.

The French are the worst of course, that finance minister of theirs is like Lenin's evil offspring desperate for another revolution to create the EUSSR.
But the Germans are not a lot better and as for our own lot, well we know too well what a shambling bunch of thieves and ex commies they are, and with regards to the markets talk about bites the hand that has fed them.
The Chinese are at it too, to protect their stash of USD$.
And the UN seems to want to work hand in glove with them to create a single worldwide currency, probably just to give themselves another project to keep them in their jobs.
I don't think we can even rely on the good old USA to fight our fight, not with Obama at the helm. He's a tax spend and interfere man too.
All of these so called 'leaders' just want to take the money earnt by hard working honest individuals off of them cos they think they know better how to spend it and think they have the right to manipulate the markets for their own twisted ends.. They want to turn us (you and me) and the markets into their slaves provding their free lunches and free votes for them.

Commies, marxists, and socialists, the lot of them. And all enemies of the trader.
And thats before I get on to the point about the global warming nutters.....
oh yes... and another thing......


Nicolas Sarkozy may walk from G20 summit over failure to curb bank bonuses - Telegraph

Germany hits out at Britain over ‘blocks’ on strict rules | Business

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100001043/germany-declares-economic-war/

UN plans for new world monetary system have come too late - Telegraph Blogs

 

[Black Swan]

I despise Sarkozy, he's full of 5hit, didn't think I could despise a premier more than Blair, he is an absolute tool, that speech he gave re. his wife, the sickening tw@t. Now he's involved in this bitter legal fued with his ex prime minister, the guy who was one of the few to stand up versus the West's incursion into Iraq... Stupid little insecure narcisstic ******, wears 3 inch lifts and insists only small guys in photo shoots...

Give me Silvio B. of Italy any day, at least you know where you stand with the grubby sensationalist aging lothario...

 

[Mr. Charts]

"Scary Socialists Out To Get Us "

That statement is ancient history, they already have, the bas***ds have been screwing us for the last 12 years and the population didn't even realise it.

 

[glyder]

"Scary Socialists Out To Get Us "

That statement is ancient history, they already have, the bas***ds have been screwing us for the last 12 years and the population didn't even realise it.

Yes, you are right Mr C. They have been stealthy about it, probably by allowing the population to play with cheap credit for the short term feelgood factor.
Its a funny feeling and maybe it takes this amount of time to get a balanced viewpoint but I am feeling respect for Reagan and Thatcher now, not to get over nostalgiac, or be controversial, I know those were tough times, but I think at least it was an era where they genuinely wanted to free people to make their own choices, economic and other wise.
This lot, and its becoming a prevailing world opinion among political leaders in my eyes, wants to take our freedom from us and make us pay them for the the service they provide of stripping us bare.

 

[0007]

I am feeling respect for Reagan and Thatcher now, not to get over nostalgiac, or be controversial, I know those were tough times, but I think at least it was an era where they genuinely wanted to free people to make their own choices, economic and other wise.

Reagan & Thatcher knew what they were about - "they didn't take no $hit off no-one (including Gadaffi)" - just compare them to Blair &Bush: what a joke! And as for unelected / unelectable / no-bottle Gordo - words fail me.
Rant over.

Unfortunately, most socialist voters are too thick to realise that Socialism will do them no favours. It's the "Capitalist ba$tards" that make the wealth that they want to spend.

Ah well, I wonder if Cameron's lot will be any different ????

 

[SAINT]

Although it was cheap and easy money. Many worked hard with it to create legacies and build businesses. As the money and assests disappear, it's clear where it's all going as the weak are gobbled up by the strong and the transfer of wealth gathers pace with the next market bubbles
ready to pop.

 

[GladiatorX]

If trading was ruined by the government, lets become 'Train2Assasinate.com'.

 

[Mr. Charts]

glder and 0007,
Couldn't agree more about Thatcher and Reagan. Of course they were demonised and vilified by the Left as you'd expect.
Maggie had her faults but brought the UK back from the abyss and reduced the unions to size, but changed the whole tone of UK society until they stabbed her in the back and the litle people took over - then the socialists.
Reagan was one of the greatest Presidents and is still vastly under-rated. He brought down communism, for goodness' sake !
My own political feelings are much more middle of the road then the above comments would seem to indicate, but the present and recent "leaders" are mere pygmies - Blair, Bush, Obama and that execrable Brown creature.
I have no great hopes for Cameron or his pathetic side-kick Osborne.

 

[STRTRADA]

This seems to be a thread totally dominated with people agreeing that the labour government did nothing to help us...and that the conservative party holds all the answers.

Have any of you actually taken out the time to check what our government has done for us...granted....some things were done wrong....but name one government that hasn't in this day and age.... I am not die-hard labour supporter but have found it in myself to appreciate what this government has done for us..I do think it's time labour came out but this should not be considered an opportunity by any voter, to vote conservative....

For god's sake......it didn't take a long time for people to forget the conservatives, Look after the rich only, ulterior motive.

Labour has done more for this country than most people seem to realise...they have done wonders for funding for the NHS and education. They introduced many incentives for students to go onto full education such as EMA...

Now with 24 hour News and the media hype, it's hard to run a government. David Cameron is playing a nasty game. Somehow he is managing to foil each and every move by the government. No-one's asking how is he doing it.... I am sure if 24 hour News and all the media hype heavily opposed thatchers government a lot of things would have been revealed that are being kept secret.

The only policy they have is "oh we won't do whatever labour does" that's the only reply that they somehow always manage to think up. Don't think they will do any better than how labour is doing currently...

So I please ask before you slate the labour government, think what they have done before you start slating them....

 

[glyder]

This seems to be a thread totally dominated with people agreeing that the labour government did nothing to help us...and that the conservative party holds all the answers.

Have any of you actually taken out the time to check what our government has done for us...granted....some things were done wrong....but name one government that hasn't in this day and age.... I am not die-hard labour supporter but have found it in myself to appreciate what this government has done for us..I do think it's time labour came out but this should not be considered an opportunity by any voter, to vote conservative....

For god's sake......it didn't take a long time for people to forget the conservatives, Look after the rich only, ulterior motive.

Labour has done more for this country than most people seem to realise...they have done wonders for funding for the NHS and education. They introduced many incentives for students to go onto full education such as EMA...

Now with 24 hour News and the media hype, it's hard to run a government. David Cameron is playing a nasty game. Somehow he is managing to foil each and every move by the government. No-one's asking how is he doing it.... I am sure if 24 hour News and all the media hype heavily opposed thatchers government a lot of things would have been revealed that are being kept secret.

The only policy they have is "oh we won't do whatever labour does" that's the only reply that they somehow always manage to think up. Don't think they will do any better than how labour is doing currently...

So I please ask before you slate the labour government, think what they have done before you start slating them....

Hi STRTRADA,
This thread is actually about the threats to trading/markets from the very left leaning and meddlesome policies of many governments these days.
Its not about the labout/con party/.the benefits(?) of the NuLab administration.
Although I find it hard to imagine anyone sees anyone could have anything good to say about this NuLab lot it obviously takes all sorts, so thats OK.
But in fact I couldnt give a stuff about any of the parties.
I want people and people in business in particular to be left alone to be free from interfering politicians who think that 'redistribution' or theft is their right rather than focussing on wealth creation. And meddling in the markets will affect many people on this forum.
And that is what this thread is about.

 

[0007]

This seems to be a thread totally dominated with people agreeing that the labour government did nothing to help us...
This is the government that stood by and allowed a property boom (125% mortgages etc), sold our gold at the bottom, raided the pensions, spent like it was going out of fashion wihtout any proper reforms, expanded the public sector, reduced incentives for the "submerged third" to get off their ar$es, allowed incompetents like the FSA to flourish .... etc etc. need I go on?

Have any of you actually taken out the time to check what our government has done for us...granted....some things were done wrong....but name one government that hasn't in this day and age....
Yes. They deprived the current generation of decent pensions, housing, democracy and ensured they will have to work until they drop in order to fund State profligacy. They have overseen the acceptance of "no integrity required" in the governing classes and put party politics above all else. They've increased the gap between rich & poor and encouraged us to believe that shelf-stacking in Tesco's or serving in a burger-bar is a proper job!

I am not die-hard labour supporter but have found it in myself to appreciate what this government has done for us..I do think it's time labour came out but this should not be considered an opportunity by any voter, to vote conservative....
Please elucidate.

For god's sake......it didn't take a long time for people to forget the conservatives, Look after the rich only, ulterior motive.
There's no doubt that Major's Government was a disaster - Maybe that was Maggie's revenge for having been shafted. (Or was he her secret love-child?). In the dying days of Major I thought it could just never ever get any worse .... how wrong I was.

Labour has done more for this country than most people seem to realise...they have done wonders for funding for the NHS and education.
They've spent loads of our money for sure but much of it's been wasted. NHS is "tick-box" ruled - that's why ambulances with sick patients have to queue up outside casualty to await slots so that the "max 4-hour" stats can be achieved. The Germans and French must laugh at us when comparing their systems.

Education standards are lower now. Sure, they all have Underwater basket-weaving degrees but what employer needs that? When I was at school the Oxford / Cambridge candidates did 4 A-levels, most of us (who went on to professional careers) did 3 and the less able did 2. By NuLab standards that's no achievemnt at all compare to today's multi-starred achievements - yet we didn't go to Uni and then have to be taught how to write decent English or study pre-course maths or science.

They introduced many incentives for students to go onto full education such as EMA...
But for what purpose? to pickup a lifetime's debt?

Now with 24 hour News and the media hype, it's hard to run a government.
When was it easy??

David Cameron is playing a nasty game. Somehow he is managing to foil each and every move by the government.
Perhaps Cameron is cleverer. I don't mind too much whether the PM is nice or nasty (prefer nice though). I just want someone who can do the job.

No-one's asking how is he doing it.... I am sure if 24 hour News and all the media hype heavily opposed thatchers government a lot of things would have been revealed that are being kept secret.
Do you not remember pre-1997 NuLab's "dirty tricks dept" - Brown & Mandy? And then afterwards Blair / Campbell ....

The only policy they have is "oh we won't do whatever labour does" that's the only reply that they somehow always manage to think up. Don't think they will do any better than how labour is doing currently...
If you are right ..... what a prospect!

So I please ask before you slate the labour government, think what they have done before you start slating them....
How about some evidence then?

Just my opinions !

 

[0007]

Hi STRTRADA,
This thread is actually about the threats to trading/markets from the very left leaning and meddlesome policies of many governments these days.
Its not about the labout/con party/.the benefits(?) of the NuLab administration.
Although I find it hard to imagine anyone sees anyone could have anything good to say about this NuLab lot it obviously takes all sorts, so thats OK.
But in fact I couldnt give a stuff about any of the parties.
I want people and people in business in particular to be left alone to be free from interfering politicians who think that 'redistribution' or theft is their right rather than focussing on wealth creation. And meddling in the markets will affect many people on this forum.
And that is what this thread is about.

Apologies for straying off topic. I consider myself bollo*ked.

 

[STRTRADA]

Just my opinions !

I understand every point made there by you... I was merely trying to point out the government alone is not responsible for the problems that we are facing today...

They've increased the gap between rich & poor and encouraged us to believe that shelf-stacking in Tesco's or serving in a burger-bar is a proper job!

And camerons conservative party will close the gap?.... It's not a hidden fact that the tories are biased towards creating a capitalist society for our country to live in...
If our government did not convince the public that these jobs aren't proper....where is the motivation for the working class, who are just managing to scrape by doing these jobs....with out the government trying to convince the working man that this is a proper job...there is no motivation... unemployment claims will rise and more people will complain to the government about not getting money while they are just sitting on their arses... The public are finding it difficult to understand what is happening they therefore try to choose the easiest target which at the moment seems to be
government.


There's no doubt that Major's Government was a disaster - Maybe that was Maggie's revenge for having been shafted. (Or was he her secret love-child?). In the dying days of Major I thought it could just never ever get any worse .... how wrong I was.

Oh god how I would have loved to see how cameron and Osborne would deal in such a situation. Like i stated before they always just seem to say the opposite to what Labour says. The northern rock nationalization was I think a great move by darling.
Before darling went ahead with it Osborne and Cameron opposed it heavily..However, after seeing the good effects they seemed to back off and change their opinion saying the wanted the nationalization of the banks as well.

But for what purpose? to pickup a lifetime's debt?

Oh you make me laugh....The full-time education choices that the government have offered are amazing. With more and more funding they try to push students into further education which in turn gives them a skill which they can learn and develop.
It's not the governments fault that the stupid illiterate public don't choose to go into full time education. There has been such a sophisticated education system built up by our government yet no-one chooses to use it....Is that really the governments fault?

Perhaps Cameron is cleverer. I don't mind too much whether the PM is nice or nasty (prefer nice though). I just want someone who can do the job.
Is that a pathetic attempt at saying you wouldn't mind a crooked prime-minister in government?

If everyone stopped picking on stupid things like MP claims...and focused on what really affects the country... Care to explain how claiming a Kit-Kat on expenses is going to affect the country...

Let Brown and his government focus on real problems instead of ****ing about with over-exaggerated little problems....granted..... the MP's were a bunch of twats for abusing their claims

All I'm trying to say is that don't blame the government purely...
The fact is that we are now living in a society where the public are unable to think for themselves and live purely on what the media is saying...Once the media has picked it's target there is no hope of any government surviving...

Remember the Public is stupid....

 

[STRTRADA]

Apologies for straying off topic. I consider myself bollo*ked.

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[Technically Fundamental]

All politicians are tw@s. Cunning, conniving, deceptive, thieving, amoral, snobbish, greedy, sycophantic tw@s.
I have zero faith that any party is capable of sorting anything out. I'm from Liverpool so you know my black a55 hates Thatcherism but at least she was strong willed and had a plan that she executed. Never worked out well in the long term for the consumers but I'm thinking that was what she wanted. Smart/affluent people would have invested. She bent the working classes over but these hand-outs from labour are a joke. It's the same net effect.
This bunch are fa gs. Gaylord public schoolers who would rather do a friend a favour, scam a new flat abroad somehow, brown-envelope a business deal etc. rather than do their job properly. Either that or they are totally inept. The whole generation of politicians just don't cut he mustard IMO.
They are going (have already started)to balls the markets up just like they balls everything up. I challenge you all to make a list of things they've either done right or not flip flopped on in the last 25 years. See if we can get to 15.

 

[glyder]

Hey 0007 don't take it personally
get back in the thread! and you Strtrada
Oh well, I can't keep out of it now, .....
Down to party politics,
While I;d love to see this govt go,and it prob will,
They may have done some good things, I'm not sure about the NHS, it always seems to muddle thru to me whatever.
I'm not sure about the wars either. I can see reasons for and against. Thing is once its started you have to go thru with it. I don't see the point of arguing the policy at that point
On immigration I think its made a mess of things. Too much too fast it might create troubles.
I see that policy as a part of Labour socialist ideology. Whereas its probably lazy mismanagement.
Cameras everywhere gets me.

I don;'t expect the Tories to be better, I have no political allegiances, whatever party is in power seems to rub people up the wrong way. Its a thankless task but the politicians don't seem to mind that.

I would just like more freedom for more people as a stated aim - its the best I can expect of a party.None are offering it at the moment so far as I'm aware.
There is one kind of fixed political view I have, laughter at Clegg saying today he expects to be PM. Who on earth else thinks he's got a hope in hell apart from himself? He's welcome to make me laugh on the other side ofmy face if he can.
As for the markets and trading, I just keep reading more n more weezes the Leaders comeup with that show these people don't understand markets. But do they really not? They just want to take more for themselves.

I'd hate to see the FOREX markets tamed or fixed in tight bands. Of course Soros showed us its prob not possible. But the UN is working on it anyway, or at least a plan for some kind fixed international commercial currency. In the unlikely event anything comes of it I'll be back to trading shares for me(if they allow that) which is too slow or commodities which is too often like gambling on the weather for my liking.
Anyway I feel at my best ranting against the marxists. This other stuff just don't get me excited.
I'm going off on a zapoy for a few days, have a good weekend all.

 

[Hilarymannah]

The "Government" or corporation which are both one and the same , have many functions, the primary one being to transfer wealth from the public to the treasury. The Labour party, Conservative party or any other **** up are only catalysts for this objective. Problems in society are perpetuated in order for the system to survive. KISS,..keep it simple stupid!!
(perception is reality)

 

[dcraig1]

IMHO, G20 will probably not do much. There was a lot of heat and light last time and nothing happened.

In any case, it seems unlikely that markets that trade on regulated exchanges would be significantly affected. They were not the problem. The problem was/is with all the unregulated over the counter derivatives, manifestly inadequate risk control and excessive leverage.

It is a mystery to me why anybody (other than those with a direct self interest) thinks that finance capital should have free reign to play fast and loose with what is effectively other peoples money in what have shown to be very dangerous games. Why should for example the savings of people who work in real jobs which are the source of real wealth in the economy be put at risk by what has clearly shown to be irresponsible behavior? It needs to be cleaned up and there is no other path than regulation.

 

[dick_dastardly]

They've spent loads of our money for sure but much of it's been wasted. NHS is "tick-box" ruled - that's why ambulances with sick patients have to queue up outside casualty to await slots so that the "max 4-hour" stats can be achieved. The Germans and French must laugh at us when comparing their systems.

If you're fit enough to sit in A&E for up to 4 hours then you shouldn't be there in the first place.


dd

 

[N Rothschild]

If you're fit enough to sit in A&E for up to 4 hours then you shouldn't be there in the first place.


dd

what aload of ****

so when you get out of bed 2morow and fall down the stairs and break a few bones you shouldnt be at a&e? seeing your not going to drop dead of a broken bone in 4hrs