Knife crime

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What a typically soppy answer from the current Government.
Getting the knife weilding yobs to visit their victims in hospital !! Are they expected to "kiss it better" ?? duckie ??
When oh when are these WET politicians going to grasp the nettle and lay on proper punishments - so that even the most hardened professional criminals take some notice.
Jackie Smith's ideas are frankly laughable and should be treated with the derision they deserve. How do these idiots ever get elected. Better they get no further afield with their pseudo Christian pap than the vicar's tea party.
What they need is a good flogging until they are yelling for forgiveness from their victims and mind altering electro therapy for those that still refuse to repent
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A crime program was on last night. Caught on CCTV this bloke pulled 2 knives from his belt area, and was chasing 2-3 men intent on stabbing them, had he not slipped on his ass he would have. He also took a swing at one bloke with the knives and definately would have stabbed him had the blokes mate not grabbed the knife man by the arm to prevent this. The police car arrived, he threw his knives under the police car, all cuaght on cctv.

Outcome - 12 month suspended sentence :eek:. It looked like attempted murder, caught on camera. That is whats wrong with this country!
 
Chain gangs is the answer. Make prisoners work for their living. Rent them out to contract companies who fix potholes and such. Actually, that's a solution for anyone on the dole.
 
shadowninja said:
Chain gangs is the answer. Make prisoners work for their living. Rent them out to contract companies who fix potholes and such. Actually, that's a solution for anyone on the dole.
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Thats what happens in the US, which has something like 5% of the worlds population and 40% of the worlds prisoners.

However, if prisoners are working for say $0.20 per hour, isn't there a bit of a conflict of interests going on? i.e. convict people at will - whether innocent or gulity, in the knowledge that they will more than pay for themselves by working in the prisons that are owned by private corporations?

Britain lacks prison space at the moment - apparently.
 
JTrader said:
Thats what happens in the US, which has something like 5% of the worlds population and 40% of the worlds prisoners.

However, if prisoners are working for say $0.20 per hour, isn't there a bit of a conflict of interests going on? i.e. convict people at will - whether innocent or gulity, in the knowledge that they will more than pay for themselves by working in the prisons that are owned by private corporations?

Britain lacks prison space at the moment - apparently.
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Well, clearly the details need to be looked at. And if we get them to work for their living, we can put aside money to build more prisons as they will be self-funding. What I don't like is scum being fed and housed at the tax payer's expense. They expect TVs and hot food free of charge. I have to pay for mine!
 
shadowninja said:
Well, clearly the details need to be looked at. And if we get them to work for their living, we can put aside money to build more prisons as they will be self-funding. What I don't like is scum being fed and housed at the tax payer's expense. They expect TVs and hot food free of charge. I have to pay for mine!
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Perhaps a lot of these people (the gangsters) consider burlglarising innocent people, and dealing smack "working for a living". :rolleyes: Thats part of the problem - their behaviour is normal to them, and they don't necessarily see it as wrong.
 
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Street Crime Is a Society Health Issue!

Well, ok stitching up the wounds isn't helping with curing this social desease either. We must as a community & nation working together towards finding a solution to the cause of this illness.


Thank you.








P.S. I do know a couple of Yardies (Uzi's & meat clevers) who have a vacant spot (taking bookings) 1st week August.
 
shadowninja said:
Well, clearly the details need to be looked at. And if we get them to work for their living, we can put aside money to build more prisons as they will be self-funding. What I don't like is scum being fed and housed at the tax payer's expense. They expect TVs and hot food free of charge. I have to pay for mine!
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Well, go to prison then. :)
 
FXSCALPER2 said:
Well, go to prison then. :)
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Prison is no deterrent, more like a rest home to revisit all their ole mates and catch up on the latest techniques. The politicos have been dabbling ineffectually with the crime problem for the last 50 years.
First dgree murder should be a mandatory death sentence and not 20 years of one's favourite food, telly and comics like the US prisons. Oh no 6 months max.
Apparently it costs more to keep a man in prison than sending them to Eton ! What a load of crap about repaying their debt to society !! They are costing society mega bucks while in Her Majesty's Holiday camps.
 
Tell you what, anyone seen that Banged up abroad on TV ? **** me... these 2 brit guys were inside in a line in the exercise yard and one of the inmates shot another one in the head !

That doesn't dound like agreeable porridge to me ??

But I'd like to know the cost of "white collar" crime is compared to all else ?? A bet its a biggie when you look at all the multi billion pound scandals that crop up ?
 
70% of criminals re-offend and return to prison !
Hardly a deterrent. Apparently very similiar to your average public school. They cost a lotta dough too.
How about bush justice ? The victim is given the choice of retaliation with a
stick - minor matters
machete - more serious matters
pistol - for murder of one's next of kin
 
Surely it is the primary DUTY of any Government to provide a safe enviroment for its citizens to live.
Well this Government is falling very far short of this obligation. It is staffed by bleeding heart liberals, who make pathetic gestures. Do the top politicians even dare walk about the rougher neighbourhoods on their own ? Of course not. They aren't that brave or stupid. They stay in their leafy suburbs, tell tall stories of their worth in the golf club etc. About the most dangerous thing they ever attempt is ordering another round of drinks in one of the member bars or screwing each other ( John Major & Edwina Currie for instance, John Prescott & etc. etc.)
They don't get much respect - because they dont earn it

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USA JAIL - SOME INTERESTING READING

TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO, HE IS THE MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF (ARIZONA) AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.



These are some of the reasons why:



Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the 'tent city jail' to save Arizona from spending tens of millions of dollars on another expensive prison complex.

He has jail meals down to 20 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He banned smoking and pornographic magazines in the jails, and took away their weightlifting equipment and cut off all but 'G' movies. He says:
'They're in jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles so they can assault innocent people when they leave.'



He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on county and city projects and save taxpayer's money.



Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only allows the Disney channel and the weather channel.

When asked why the weather channel, he replied: 'So these morons will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.'
He cut off coffee because it has zero nutritional value and is therefore a waste of taxpayer money. When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back.'

He also bought the Newt Gingrich lecture series on US history that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series that actually tells the truth for a change would be welcome and that it might even explain why 95% of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record for June 2nd 2007), the Associated Press reported: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed wire surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.



On the Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing pink boxer shorts were overheard chatting in the tents, where temperatures reached 128 degrees.
'This is hell. It feels like we live in a furnace,' said Ernesto Gonzales, an inmate for 2 years with 10 more to go. 'It's inhumane.'
Joe Arpaio, who makes his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. 'Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for parole, only to go out and commit more crimes so they can come back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things many taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.'

The same day he told all the inmates who were complaining of the heat in the tents: 'It's between 120 to 130 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to walk all day in the sun, wearing full battle gear and get shot at, and they have not committed any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!'

Way to go, Sheriff! If all prisons were like yours there would be a lot less crime and we would not be in the current position of running out of prison spaces.
Sheriff Joe was just re-elected as Sheriff in Maricopa County Arizona

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There are pictures too...but upload aint working again !!! :mad:

try google
 
Pat494 said:
Prison is no deterrent, more like a rest home to revisit all their ole mates and catch up on the latest techniques. The politicos have been dabbling ineffectually with the crime problem for the last 50 years.
First dgree murder should be a mandatory death sentence and not 20 years of one's favourite food, telly and comics like the US prisons. Oh no 6 months max.
Apparently it costs more to keep a man in prison than sending them to Eton ! What a load of crap about repaying their debt to society !! They are costing society mega bucks while in Her Majesty's Holiday camps.
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Exactly! So go to prison, then.
 
A sad fact is that before the 70s street crime was very effectively policed by deals done between the local police and the major gangs. This horrified the Uni do-gooders and was brought to an end with the convictions of unpleasant gangsters like the Krays , Richardson ( London ) gangs etc. They wouldn't tolerate independent small time muggers etc., acting independently on "their turf". Jailing them opened the way for individuals to operate almost at will. The Fuzz couldn't handle it on their own !!
I'm not suggesting letting the big timers back in BUT something other than hand wringing should be attempted.
 
No-one said it would be easy !

Knife crime isn't something that has an easy solution. It's part of a creeping and insidious culture that has developed since the 1960s and allows the transfer of responsibility away from the perpetrator on to the victim. Thus, every scumbag and scrote has his rights whereas the victim must, by now, be ultra-careful in case he offends political correctness - of which he will doubtless be caught because he won't live in a physical or PC virtual no-go area.

Gut reaction says bang 'em up as a deterrent but that doesn't deter any more than hanging stopped murder or flogging stopped mutiny (though i agree it must have deterred some). However, while banged up they are off the streets which is a positive step. We won't cure this problem until our society's culture changes and I see little prospect of that at present.

Remember how years ago all the experts told us that violent movies / vids don't have any lasting effect because we all know it's not real? I suppose that's why yobs in cars run over people and then drive off!

The current state of violence and yobbish behaviour is like someone who's become overweight - even if you have the will and remedy to cure it, it won't have effect overnight. I think we need some radical thinking from the politicians (yes, I know - that should really be on the jokes pages). Some ideas:

1. Increase the chances of apprehension for all violent crimes - this is a deterrent.
2. Mandatory custodial sentences for all violent crime - even if the do-gooders won't like it.
3. Free-up jail places by using non-custodial sentences for non-violent crime - make it tough of course, but why put them up in HM Hotel at our expense?
3. Lets see some decent example from our politicians in terms of honesty, integrity, understanding other people's problems and willingness to play by the rules - all coupled with some ability and brainpower. Any one who's been in the armed forces knows that that's how all true leaders work - and look at the outstanding examples of dedication and effort by our troops in the 2 Sh*t holes of Afghanistan & Iraq.
4. Some responsible parenting - don't forget that many of today's yobs have been sired by the previous generation of yobs. Maybe I'm old-fashioned but I'd want to know why my 16 yr old son was out drinking at 2am (this was a recent case where a lad was fatally stabbed).
5. Some responsible guidance and example from our young TV/football/ showbiz heroes - nah! only joking, can't see that happening.

The mayor of New York sorted it out by getting tough. We need a similar approach here - perhaps a Thatcher-like person who's not afraid to take on the the established forces?

All IMHO :)
 
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0007 said:
The mayor of New York sorted it out by getting tough. We need a similar approach here - perhaps a Thatcher-like person who's not afraid to take on the the established forces?

All IMHO :)
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The crime issues in New York were turned around in the first instance by using the "broken windows" method. i.e. fix the environment around the problems and the problems sort themselves...

The "tipping point" by malcolm gladwell is a good book to read to understand the way in which these issues have been resloved in the past...

nearly always it has nothing whatsoever to do with the government :-0
 
normbeef said:
The crime issues in New York were turned around in the first instance by using the "broken windows" method. i.e. fix the environment around the problems and the problems sort themselves...
My gut reaction is to agree with that but I see that there is some controversy as to whehter this was as effective as some sources claim. Closer to home, we've spent £billions on new schools etc but it hasn't fixed the problem - or would it have been even worse if we hadn't spent the money? I went to a state primary in the 50s, run down and falling apart and long overdue for replacement but all the kids left at age 11 being literate and numerate - not the case today ! So what effect do fancy new facilities / buildings have?


The "tipping point" by malcolm gladwell is a good book to read to understand the way in which these issues have been resloved in the past...
Funny you should say that - read it some years ago and was just about to get it off the shelf and re-read!


nearly always it has nothing whatsoever to do with the government :-0
Don't agree. Governments should act as a catalyst - especially in social matters.
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:):)
 
Always reckoned the STOCKS were a great deterrent.
Slowed down the tearaways a bit and were publicly humiliated too.
A Phd from a US university will mention it sooner or later and probably get a Nobel prize for being original ! ho hum
 
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