Islamaphobia

Pat494

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What is so objectionable about Islamists ?
Is it because their religion is different from the majority Christian religion ?
Or is it the drip drip affect of terrorism ?
The Moslem leaders never seem to publicly apologise for terrorist acts, of which there have been many.
Even the slaughter of 300+ people recently in Sri Lanka didn't seem to raise a protest. While the one off NZ shooting had the NZ PM apologising , head covered with a scarf in solidarity etc
Perhaps turning the other cheek is a pathetic. response.
 
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Pat494

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Why is it that Christian leaders publicly and constantly call for peace and conciliation and
there is nothing of the same from Muslim leaders or have I missed it on the news ?
 

wackypete2

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Why is it that Christian leaders publicly and constantly call for peace and conciliation and
there is nothing of the same from Muslim leaders or have I missed it on the news ?
Because Muslim leaders don't actually want peace. They hate all non Muslims and religions.
The perception is that most terrorists around the world are Muslim and their leaders say nothing against it.

Just my opinion,
Peter
 

Pat494

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I think that the victims of terrorism should be compensated for their hurt by the religious group the terrorists belong to.
So they can be sued in court.
This may be the only way to get religious groups to help monitor what nasty outrages their youngsters are plotting and stop it.
 

cantagril

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It is my considered opinion that the values and norms of mainstream / moderate Islam are incompatible with those of the Judeo-Christian parts of the globe.....and others as well.

Before I went to work and live in a moslem country, I thought of myself as a tolerant citizen of the world having lived in various countries and cultures. After a few years, I realised that their culture was irremediably toxic for me and westerners in general - I was there during both the invasion of Afghanistan and 9/11 and the opinions expressed by people who I regarded as reasonably intelligent and educated moderates were difficult to swallow. Having done close to 15 years amongst them, I was overjoyed to finally leave, regret sincerely that I ever went there and swore that I would never ever set foot there again....which I haven't.

Before I knew them, I was open-minded and tolerant and ready to get along with anybody from anywhere but having got quite familiar with the people, the language and the culture, I have now acquired a fairly extreme prejudice which makes it difficult for me to be civil when I'm in the company of a moslem, no matter how reasonable and complaisant.

So, as the saying goes "familiarity breeds contempt" and in my case, loathing as well.


And on that cheerful note, I wish you all a pleasant day's trading :)
 
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Pat494

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It is my considered opinion that the values and norms of mainstream / moderate Islam are incompatible with those of the Judeo-Christian parts of the globe.....and others as well.

Before I went to work and live in a moslem country, I thought of myself as a tolerant citizen of the world having lived in various countries and cultures. After a few years, I realised that their culture was irremediably toxic for me and westerners in general - I was there during both the invasion of Afghanistan and 9/11 and the opinions expressed by people who I regarded as reasonably intelligent and educated moderates were difficult to swallow. Having done close to 15 years amongst them, I was overjoyed to finally leave, regret sincerely that I ever went there and swore that I would never ever set foot there again....which I haven't.

Before I knew them, I was open-minded and tolerant and ready to get along with anybody from anywhere but having got quite familiar with the people, the language and the culture, I have now acquired a fairly extreme prejudice which makes it difficult for me to be civil when I'm in the company of a moslem, no matter how reasonable and complaisant.

So, as the saying goes "familiarity breeds contempt" and in my case, loathing as well.


And on that cheerful note, I wish you all a pleasant day's trading :)
Excuse me asking but were you there in a military or civilian capacity ?
Their jobs and therefore outlooks are different.
 

Signalcalc

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What is the definition of Islamophobia?
The answer is that there is no accepted definition of Islamophobia, however to take it at its literal meaning, it is an irrational fear of Islam.

Now who would have an irrational fear of Islam, you may ask? The very fact that the word has been adopted and accepted in common parlance and is used by the Authorities, ironically shows them to fear Islam. A word introduced by the Muslim Brotherhood, which the US is seeking to proscribe as a terrorist organisation.

It's Western governments that are Islamophobic, any government that shows irrational appeasement to the Islamic community, usually following Islamic terrorist attacks, but also by changing laws and customs that allow religious law, Sharia, to trump local laws and customs. To allow no-go zones to develop in one's country, where the police dare to tread, to go out of their way not to appear 'racist' by allowing crime committed by some Muslims to go unpunished for long periods of time, where local authorities and law enforcement collude to cover up crimes committed by Muslims, are Islamophobic. They fear a backlash, not just from the Islamic community themselves, but also by themselves, as there would inevitably be an outrage mob demanding apologies and smearing racist to anyone that dare question the Islamic ideology.

Another indicator is the lack of action taken by authorities against people who criticise any other ideology on the planet, why is that, why can you say anything critical about Christianity, Hinduism, Vegans, Jedi Knights and nothing will happen and yet when it comes to Islam, you will be smeared and locked up.

It is because of the lefty globalist ideology that has been adopted over the last few decades, to create hate crimes that target individuals that speak up about the wrong doings they see, to target those that express an opinion and highlight artefacts of an ideology that are not compatible with the ideology that we have created for ourselves.

Authorities allow division to grow in local communities because followers of Islam will not integrate with indigenous peoples. Authorities that use political correctness to shut down debate only for that political correctness to become law, corrupting the institutions that were once bastions of our own culture, corrupted to the point where our own culture needs to be hidden for fear of falling foul of the law.

That is an irrational fear of Islam, that is Islamophobia. Governments are frightened of Islam for no rational reason.

It also shows a fundamental lack of understanding of Islam by the authorities, the way it operates, they are so scared they can't even bring themselves to call it out for what it is.
 
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Signalcalc

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I think that the victims of terrorism should be compensated for their hurt by the religious group the terrorists belong to.
So they can be sued in court.
This may be the only way to get religious groups to help monitor what nasty outrages their youngsters are plotting and stop it.
I don't think that would work, what is needed is compensation from authorities that encourage such behaviour or allow it to go unpunished. However you only need to look at the London Bridge attacks to see that victims families are denied legal aid to pursue legal lines, what hope is there for them to claim compo?
 

Pat494

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I don't think that would work, what is needed is compensation from authorities that encourage such behaviour or allow it to go unpunished. However you only need to look at the London Bridge attacks to see that victims families are denied legal aid to pursue legal lines, what hope is there for them to claim compo?
Why on earth should over burdened tax payers fund the results of terrorism ?
The ones that ARE caught get a comfy stay in prison. Also at the tax payers expense.
There hasn't been an attack recently. Have the nasties in charge of the terrorists had a change of heart ?
Probably not. Usually 1 attack per month in Europe.
Glad to see on U-tube the Somali pirates are now getting a bit of their own medicine. The soft approach didn't work.
 

Signalcalc

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Why on earth should over burdened tax payers fund the results of terrorism ?
The ones that ARE caught get a comfy stay in prison. Also at the tax payers expense.
Because our leaders have allowed the whole situation to flourish unchecked. All the way from the education system, through immigration controls, to allowing known jihadists to resettle in the U.K. to funding foreign wars and terrorists abroad, to radicalisation in the prison system. There appears to be a whole spectrum of ideas that have been implemented that none of us voted for or want, or has even been debated in parliament.

So because of this incompetence the only recourse would be for the tax payer to foot the bill, just as we foot the bill for any other incompetence that our leaders foist upon us.
 

cantagril

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The answer is that there is no accepted definition of Islamophobia, however to take it at its literal meaning, it is an irrational fear of Islam.

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Authorities allow division to grow in local communities because followers of Islam will not integrate with indigenous peoples. Authorities that use political correctness to shut down debate only for that political correctness to become law, corrupting the institutions that were once bastions of our own culture, corrupted to the point where our own culture needs to be hidden for fear of falling foul of the law.

That is an irrational fear of Islam, that is Islamophobia. Governments are frightened of Islam for no rational reason.

It also shows a fundamental lack of understanding of Islam by the authorities, the way it operates, they are so scared they can't even bring themselves to call it out for what it is.
It seems to me that your reasoned and logical elucidation as to the nature of Islamophobia, leads to an equally logical conclusion: that whilst a phobia is an unreasoning/irrational fear, in this case, a reasoned and perfectly rational fear is entirely justified. Having lived opposite a mosque in an Islamically "moderate" part of the world for several years, the hate-filled rubbish that came out of the mouths of both the faithful and the Imam quite literally put the fear of God (and his baser creations) into me.
 

Pat494

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It always seems strange to me that religions always tend to look backwards to the time of their founding.
Thus they never evolve and improve. Obviously conditions have changed over the centuries and so
should philosophy and religion. The faithful tend to hinder evolution by fear mainly. The barbaric practice of stoning is still a part
of some States' official policy. Intimidation at its worst.
 

Signalcalc

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It seems to me that your reasoned and logical elucidation as to the nature of Islamophobia, leads to an equally logical conclusion: that whilst a phobia is an unreasoning/irrational fear, in this case, a reasoned and perfectly rational fear is entirely justified. Having lived opposite a mosque in an Islamically "moderate" part of the world for several years, the hate-filled rubbish that came out of the mouths of both the faithful and the Imam quite literally put the fear of God (and his baser creations) into me.
Agreed, a justified irrational fear of Islam is my hypothesis for govts to react in the way they do.

Otherwise what other explanations are there? Certainly there are various other theories out there which may carry some weight.

I think govts need to declare why they take such courses of action if not based on fear. Unless they have something to hide of course, which could be an equally plausible reason.

Until then the real cause of governmental Islamophobia remains unchecked, not understood and allowed to flourish.
 

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