Thanks lee , im actually concerned for a friend of mine who has spent 5k on wildwood and 2k on paco. I told him its a boiler room scam but im strggeling to convince him as i cant find concrete evidence. you and i know its a scam but he is still hoping for some kind of return, he does accept that hes not going to get the returns they promised and is at least now not going to send them any more money. thanks for the reply ,any help is appreciated .