Champion Trader

trendie

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If Champion Trader is such a dead-beat product, some even using the word "fraud", then why are T2W allowing it to be advertised as a random-advert at the tops of discussion pages ??
 

pkfryer

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Does pkfryer care to respond? Let's see how much money he's made with CT?

Joe, dont get angry. I was just asking a valid question. I have looked at many many systems and techniques and have been open minded. I must admit that he does make it sound a bit too easy though.

I have not thoroughly back tested the system as I went on to other things and didn't have the time to set up a test but I am planning on getting around to it.

Its actually not as bad as everyone makes it out to be, its just very simplistic and the stop loss logic is a bit questionable on very high ranged days (which it doesn't take account of) also it doesn't help the trader know when to exit a trade which is very important. Also, with CTA (day trader methodology) the risk reward factor is questionable: going for 1:1 trades... doesn't sound too good!

The basis of the method reminds me of some of the prestine methodologies, they dont look at indicators but candlestick patterns and they also work with the trend only using moving averages. The CT technique actually has some sound ideas:
1. never trade against the overall trend.. always with it!
2. Wait for a retracement
3. Wait for a confirmation of the trend continuing by looking at a candle pattern AND for the EMA line to tick up
4. USE stop losses and money management!
5. Use orders to get into a trade, your in only in if price confirms the price patterns.
5. If the set up isnt 100% walk away from the set up and go for something else

It also has some sound advice about the market and about surviving rather than being greedy or trading for thrill!

The CTA method is similar and actually has some reasonable concepts too:
1. Always trade with the trend of the next time frame up (a multi-frame approach advocated by many)
2. Wait for a minor resistance line to be established against the overiding trend
3. Set up an order to sell below the minor support (against the trend) or buy above minor resistance.
Both highly accepted tactics.
4. Set up a stop loss.
5. Walk away the moment it starts to look anything less than perfecct.

Its actually not a bad concept. If the trend is going up and its good strong trend, that upward movement has to come from somewhere. It comes from the time frame BELOW. Therefore it pays to to bet on the side of the trend 1 time frame below. Most times it will work but when it doesn't you have stop losses.

These are reasonable no indicator techniques, the main criticism is he doesn't outline the risks and makes it sound too easy. The price of the courses are way way way too expensive!! That is the reason I turn negative in my attitude. There are books for 30 quid that contain about a thousand times more information and ideas in it! There is no rule for helping you decide when to take your profit which is actually the MOST important technique. Its easy to enter a profitable trade (with practice), but with these short term moves that last only days before the profit disappears... when do you get out.

I think with some variations and adaptations it could be the basis to take things further with your own approach.

I'm not an advocate just saying that the concepts aren't that bad, but the price makes it a conn, but then again its the way these trading things work.... you are meant to be buying something that will make you thousands, so whats a few hundred quid! I've found that with many things in the trading world... software, data feeds and courses: Its SO expensive, EVERYTHING trading related.. so this is no different in that respect. For instance, I have spent hundreds of pounds on metastock plugins that are very simplistic and basic things... hardly would have taken much time to develop, but they charge you such large amounts of money because of the possibility that these add ons will make you a lot of money if used properly.

How much would someone sell you the genuine "horn of plenty" for, if it existed? How much is something that builds wealth going to cost? Thats the philosophy they use when peddling the merchandise... and if it genuinely helps you make money can we blame them. Its a conn if they sell you a plastic replica, but not a conn if it works.

I'll lay down the gauntlett! I've got a few system testing tools and I'll get around to coding in the system exactly as its stated in his course for the CT and CTA. Test it on the markets he advocates (very fluid blue chip companies) and you do the same. We'll see what thorough back testing does. I have to warn you though... the mothod is quite tricky to code for some platforms (Metastock is a good example)... as there is an abort clause that triggers BEFORE the trade is entered. i.e. how do you code in the fact that you dont want a previously entered limit order to go ahead if a certain circumstance happens? I'll have a think!

Joe, whilst we wait... post your system test findings.
 

Skimbleshanks

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trendie, the advertising at the top of the pages is done via Google, and Google automatically picks up on words in each of the threads and tailors the ads accordingly.
 

pkfryer

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Skimbleshanks... it might be worth changing your advert tactics, have a word with your bosses. Anything you advertise makes it look like you advocate them. There have been some dodgy looking stuff on your advert banners and a novice trader coming along may trust them because they are here. Please get your bosses to reconsider this and only advertise products, services and websites that they actually feel are good and of quality.
 

Skimbleshanks

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pkfryer said:
Skimbleshanks... it might be worth changing your advert tactics, have a word with your bosses. Anything you advertise makes it look like you advocate them. There have been some dodgy looking stuff on your advert banners and a novice trader coming along may trust them because they are here. Please get your bosses to reconsider this and only advertise products, services and websites that they actually feel are good and of quality.
Thank you so very much for your advice.
 

barbie2002

Junior member
17 1
Champion Trader Active (yet again ...)

Hi everyone

Please let me know if this has been covered before, but I (wisely or not) bought CTA. I'd bought the original CT previously, and was lured by the mention of trading the difference between the FTSE and the DOW which was DEFINITELY going to be covered in CTA. But no, not a peep. I emailed them, and was told that an update would be available at the end of May. Guess what ... nada.
a) Is it worthwhile chasing them up again for an update?
b) Does anyone out there know of the FTSE/DOW trading method?
c) Next time I'm tempted to shell out money for a 'sure-fire' trading system, could someone beat me over the head, please??

Thank you.

Barbs.
 

buzzee

Junior member
21 1
Hi Barbie

As far as I know the CT or the CTA formula has nothing to do with trading the difference of FTSE- DOW. I think you were given the wrong information.
But i do know there is another thread in Trade2win Boards called Index King that is all about a formula trading the difference between FTSE-DOW, do a search and you will find it.


Buzzee
 

smokingtail

Newbie
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I have been papertrading CTA for around a YEAR and I find consistant profits to be made. Fair enough it takes a lot of time and effort and I only trade forex which does work for me.

I'm not an experienced trader, but I accept what SL says: Take small points and exit. It doesn't seem that hard to me! Like I say I have been papertrading for a year (not end of day) and it truely works for me. If someone is prepared to offer me a better system let me know and I'll gladly investigate.

I was very new to trading when I bought CT and CTA but it gave me a very interesting insight into the markets and I am now convinced doing anything else but trading isn't for me. Yes its true that CTA needs a trend to work but if you are on the ball and active you will see that trends are everywhere. I deal nothing but forex and it suits me to take small profits but several of them.

This is what SL is getting at. DONT look for big gains if you are inexperienced. Just go with the flow and never deviate. I have GAMBLED and lost, but with CTA I win!

It may be very simple (which I think annoys many people on here) but it suits my style of trading......... get in.............. get out!
 

epetrov

Junior member
21 2
Cta

Hello everybody,
I have purchased CT one year ago. Despite I was promised a lifetime support and member’s subscription, today the CT web site is transmitting to some other system. I have received an e-mail notification to my e-mails, that the recipient's address is no longer valid.
In this case, could anybody send me the CTA system, by e-mail? My e-mail is emilpetrov@abv.bg
Thank you very much beforehand.
Emil Petrov
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pkfryer said:
Does pkfryer care to respond? Let's see how much money he's made with CT?

Joe, dont get angry. I was just asking a valid question. I have looked at many many systems and techniques and have been open minded. I must admit that he does make it sound a bit too easy though.

I have not thoroughly back tested the system as I went on to other things and didn't have the time to set up a test but I am planning on getting around to it.

Its actually not as bad as everyone makes it out to be, its just very simplistic and the stop loss logic is a bit questionable on very high ranged days (which it doesn't take account of) also it doesn't help the trader know when to exit a trade which is very important. Also, with CTA (day trader methodology) the risk reward factor is questionable: going for 1:1 trades... doesn't sound too good!

The basis of the method reminds me of some of the prestine methodologies, they dont look at indicators but candlestick patterns and they also work with the trend only using moving averages. The CT technique actually has some sound ideas:
1. never trade against the overall trend.. always with it!
2. Wait for a retracement
3. Wait for a confirmation of the trend continuing by looking at a candle pattern AND for the EMA line to tick up
4. USE stop losses and money management!
5. Use orders to get into a trade, your in only in if price confirms the price patterns.
5. If the set up isnt 100% walk away from the set up and go for something else

It also has some sound advice about the market and about surviving rather than being greedy or trading for thrill!

The CTA method is similar and actually has some reasonable concepts too:
1. Always trade with the trend of the next time frame up (a multi-frame approach advocated by many)
2. Wait for a minor resistance line to be established against the overiding trend
3. Set up an order to sell below the minor support (against the trend) or buy above minor resistance.
Both highly accepted tactics.
4. Set up a stop loss.
5. Walk away the moment it starts to look anything less than perfecct.

Its actually not a bad concept. If the trend is going up and its good strong trend, that upward movement has to come from somewhere. It comes from the time frame BELOW. Therefore it pays to to bet on the side of the trend 1 time frame below. Most times it will work but when it doesn't you have stop losses.

These are reasonable no indicator techniques, the main criticism is he doesn't outline the risks and makes it sound too easy. The price of the courses are way way way too expensive!! That is the reason I turn negative in my attitude. There are books for 30 quid that contain about a thousand times more information and ideas in it! There is no rule for helping you decide when to take your profit which is actually the MOST important technique. Its easy to enter a profitable trade (with practice), but with these short term moves that last only days before the profit disappears... when do you get out.

I think with some variations and adaptations it could be the basis to take things further with your own approach.

I'm not an advocate just saying that the concepts aren't that bad, but the price makes it a conn, but then again its the way these trading things work.... you are meant to be buying something that will make you thousands, so whats a few hundred quid! I've found that with many things in the trading world... software, data feeds and courses: Its SO expensive, EVERYTHING trading related.. so this is no different in that respect. For instance, I have spent hundreds of pounds on metastock plugins that are very simplistic and basic things... hardly would have taken much time to develop, but they charge you such large amounts of money because of the possibility that these add ons will make you a lot of money if used properly.

How much would someone sell you the genuine "horn of plenty" for, if it existed? How much is something that builds wealth going to cost? Thats the philosophy they use when peddling the merchandise... and if it genuinely helps you make money can we blame them. Its a conn if they sell you a plastic replica, but not a conn if it works.

I'll lay down the gauntlett! I've got a few system testing tools and I'll get around to coding in the system exactly as its stated in his course for the CT and CTA. Test it on the markets he advocates (very fluid blue chip companies) and you do the same. We'll see what thorough back testing does. I have to warn you though... the mothod is quite tricky to code for some platforms (Metastock is a good example)... as there is an abort clause that triggers BEFORE the trade is entered. i.e. how do you code in the fact that you dont want a previously entered limit order to go ahead if a certain circumstance happens? I'll have a think!

Joe, whilst we wait... post your system test findings.
 

ste

Junior member
12 0
Further Details ??

smokingtail said:
I have been papertrading CTA for around a YEAR and I find consistant profits to be made. Fair enough it takes a lot of time and effort and I only trade forex which does work for me.

I'm not an experienced trader, but I accept what SL says: Take small points and exit. It doesn't seem that hard to me! Like I say I have been papertrading for a year (not end of day) and it truely works for me. If someone is prepared to offer me a better system let me know and I'll gladly investigate.

I was very new to trading when I bought CT and CTA but it gave me a very interesting insight into the markets and I am now convinced doing anything else but trading isn't for me. Yes its true that CTA needs a trend to work but if you are on the ball and active you will see that trends are everywhere. I deal nothing but forex and it suits me to take small profits but several of them.

This is what SL is getting at. DONT look for big gains if you are inexperienced. Just go with the flow and never deviate. I have GAMBLED and lost, but with CTA I win!

It may be very simple (which I think annoys many people on here) but it suits my style of trading......... get in.............. get out!
Hi Smokingtail,

I've just read your point on using CTA with Forex. I purchased CTA around 2 yrs ago, it was the first system I purchased. Never really got into it because I found I prefered Forex markets. I'm interested to hear more about your use of CTA with the Forex markets - would you be willing to share your experience? I see you are looking for trends, on any currency pair I guess? What time scale of charts do you find is best? Exit strategy? etc. Anything else you direct me to would be very helpful, saving time and frustration :confused:

Many thanks
Steve
 

JTrader

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Hi

I bought Champion Trader Active (we learn by our mistakes!) when i first got into trading from Shiraz A Lakhi. I had CTA2003.

I now find that the e-book no longer works :cry: - and the www.tradingtrix.com website is now www.clickvolume.net. It would appear that Shiraz may have done a runner!

As I paid good money for it - I would like to retrive my investment.

Did anyone else encounter this problem?

How did you sort it?

Many thanks

jtrader.
 

Peter36

Junior member
17 0
Champion Trader by Shiraz A Lakhi

Hello "Monarch" in Wiltshire,
I have found this to be a universally robust and profitable trading system.I use it each day spread betting global indices. It is the only profitable system I have encountered over six years. It is simple and it works in all markets I have tried it in. The authors staking recommendations would be far higher than I would personally feel comfortable with at 20-25% or even 30% on "confident" trades. I prefer 2-5% of margin for staking and I have added a live tick by tick ADX indicator when Intraday trading to keep a very close eye on the prevailing trend. I use an hourly chart for entry as hourly signals have a high degree of integrity, but once I have entered into an intraday trade I then switch to a 5 minute candlestick chart. I have added three SMA , set at 5-10 & 20 minutes. I use a trailing stop and after I have won 20 clicks on an intraday trade in the FTSE100 Daily Cash , for example I close half of my position and tighten up my trailing stop until a retracement hits it or I decide to close and take my profit. Champion Trader is first and foremost intended for TRENDING MARKETS If the market is at all choppy, stay clear and do not enter.
Profitable trading.
Peter 36







monarch said:
This is an open question for comments and opinions please.

I have just received details of a trading system called

Champion Trader by Shiraz A Lakhi

it is a so called 4 step trading system which has shown regular profits.
Except for his own web site I can find no other reference to this.
I am aware this may just be another get rich quick scheme, but would like to find out more.

Has anyone seen, used, come across this, and if so is it any good?
Your comments would be welcomed.

thanks

Monarch