Children sheltering in bathtubs, people running from vehicles, one guy was found dead wearing a full firesuit, in his home apparently.
Brian Naylor, a popular newsreader in victoria with a very long career......who commentated on a lot of bushfires......found dead in his home, with his wife, a 4X4 with a fire unit on the trailer just outside.
A thousand litre pump tank wont help, if the fire can melt engine blocks, leaps hundreds of metres in the air, and travels at 40km+ per hour, and no house is going to stand in its way. Your fried.
If you "stay " and fight the fire in your home, good luck when it can roast you alive from hundreds of metres from sheer radiant heat, or asphixiate from the same distance.
The government is full of ****, and only the honourable member, Wilson "ironbar" Tuckey, has dared to call a spade a spade here, by pointed out the devastating effects of the green movements "shut the gate and forget it" approach to conservation of national parks.
Qualified folk, have been saying for donkeys, "reduce fuel load" is the only rational approach.
What a friggin debacle.
Brian Naylor, a popular newsreader in victoria with a very long career......who commentated on a lot of bushfires......found dead in his home, with his wife, a 4X4 with a fire unit on the trailer just outside.
A thousand litre pump tank wont help, if the fire can melt engine blocks, leaps hundreds of metres in the air, and travels at 40km+ per hour, and no house is going to stand in its way. Your fried.
If you "stay " and fight the fire in your home, good luck when it can roast you alive from hundreds of metres from sheer radiant heat, or asphixiate from the same distance.
The government is full of ****, and only the honourable member, Wilson "ironbar" Tuckey, has dared to call a spade a spade here, by pointed out the devastating effects of the green movements "shut the gate and forget it" approach to conservation of national parks.
Qualified folk, have been saying for donkeys, "reduce fuel load" is the only rational approach.
What a friggin debacle.
Spot on , the country is now ruled by the politically correct and has a definate left / green tendancy .
Wait for the climate change BS as well the majority should not have been allowed to build there anyway .
When not Trading my passion is to return to my farm which I might add is burnt regularliy.
Australia = great place to live & bring up kids good for Asian Mkts , **** tax , overregulated
Spot on , the country is now ruled by the politically correct and has a definate left / green tendancy .
Wait for the climate change BS as well the majority should not have been allowed to build there anyway .
When not Trading my passion is to return to my farm which I might add is burnt regularliy.
Australia = great place to live & bring up kids good for Asian Mkts , **** tax , overregulated
I wasnt bashing greens per-se, they saved a lot of australias great wilderness areas from total resource driven destruction
. Its a management issue, and when you put half wits in charge, with NOTHING MORE than a degree, who's opinions weigh more than experience.......this is what happens.
Look at the newsreels....who is fighting these fires? Volunteer Country Fire Authority.
Volunteers, putting there lives on the line, with inadequate resources, fighting something -bureacrats caused, basically.
In china, the army would have been there on day one, with massive manpower. Its obvious, small numbers of people with rakes and wet blankets couldnt do much in these circumstances however, or large numbers, as per china-but what is evident, is the policy is an abject failure.
Nobody, but nobody, can defend their home from a firefront that can melt steel.
Australia has issues-its effing hot, not much rain. and, of course, bushfires.
But this is ridiculously bad.
Call it a management issue maybe but these government agencies are out of control! .
I have had way too much to do with them and their green ideal's.
They have to accept that communisum was a failed experiment , or rather their current series of a million small battles wins the war .
Their control over private landowners ( responible ones is crazy ).
The levels of government you have to deal with is crazy , and your refernce to muppets with a degree working for these groups is spot on .
This is the reason I became a FT trader many years ago as I cannot handle the BS involved in running anything that has a connnection to government agencies .
As a ag producer / forest owner it is out of control! .
The notion that much of Australia is ruined and we are down to the last tree etc is a well manipulated media folly , who give the green movement way to much time!
I bet not too many of them have been there
helping.
Your a farmer/plantation forester? Yeah, its a never ending battle against stupid policies, implemented by idiots. Unfortunately, it works out to be cheaper to close the gates on these forest areas than employ more firefighters to control burn, add that up and -vast inferno's are "cheap" because the gov doesn't bare the immediate cost, its right on the taxpayer, landowner, and if your lucky, insurance co's.
They would rather something cost inestimable billions down the track, than throw this years budget out of whack. Unfortunate, but thats how it is.
Yes, the fires are an absolute disaster. And yes some poor planning policies and inadequate building regs may have exacerbated the situation. But it is an indisputable fact that fire conditions were the worst in recorded Australian history and that's got nothing to do with greens, or reds under the bed.
It seems to me that the Vic govt is doing the right thing in announcing a royal commission. What is needed is better public policy, not no public policy as advocated by the rantings on this thread.
Australia is not down to it's last tree, but an awful lot of damage has already been done. Look at the state of the Murray Darling system. I suppose forrest manangement should be left up to logging companies - like letting Dracula loose in the blood bank. There's been plenty of daft stuff in Australian agriculture thats severly damaged soil quality and sustainablity. Lack of regulation is no more viable in ecological/environmental issues that it is in the world of finance.
As for the GW deniers - it is worth noting that the Australian climate models forecast a hotter/drier south and hotter/wetter north. Events such as these fires in the south are both more probable and and will likely be of higher intensity in the future. This is a glimpse of the future.
It seems to me that the Vic govt is doing the right thing in announcing a royal commission. What is needed is better public policy, not no public policy as advocated by the rantings on this thread.
Australia is not down to it's last tree, but an awful lot of damage has already been done. Look at the state of the Murray Darling system. I suppose forrest manangement should be left up to logging companies - like letting Dracula loose in the blood bank. There's been plenty of daft stuff in Australian agriculture thats severly damaged soil quality and sustainablity. Lack of regulation is no more viable in ecological/environmental issues that it is in the world of finance.
As for the GW deniers - it is worth noting that the Australian climate models forecast a hotter/drier south and hotter/wetter north. Events such as these fires in the south are both more probable and and will likely be of higher intensity in the future. This is a glimpse of the future.
To question climate change and it's Skeptical " Modelling" I will re emphasise " Modelling " is now considered to be a crime in the eyes of the believers
More detailed analysis of this is yet to occur . fin mkts trading is all I have known since 1995 but I also have a strong connection to agriculture through direct investments in Southern Australia.
It is a well recorded fact that the continent has recorded peroids of extremes like this before .
Many extended periods of extreme dry weather have occcured 1880- 90-s , 1920 - 30's .
This has previously lasted decades . I am not willing to blindly accept the climate change argument . It has become too convenient to blame for everything . the radical green element has its history steeped in ultra left wing ideal's. ( read up on it ) .
An observation that may or may not have any substance but is entirely irrelevent.
The climate change science is either right or it isn't and the overwhelming body of evidence suggests that it is right. And if it is right, the risk is extreme.
Germaine Greer, in The Times of London, sets the record straight on the role of global warming in bushfires:
"FIRE is an essential element in the life cycle of Australian forests. Season by season sclerophyll or hard-leaved woodlands build up huge amounts of detritus, which must burn if there is to be new growth.
For 40 or maybe 60 millennia, Aboriginal peoples managed fire proactively, setting alight woodland, scrubland and grassland, so that they could pass freely, so that game was driven towards them, so that fresh green herbage was available. Aboriginal languages have dozens of words for fire. As the Endeavour sailed up the eastern coast, Captain Cook noted that the skies were darkened with smoke by day and lit up by fire at night.
Bushland that is not burned regularly turns into a powder keg, as the fuel load inexorably increases. The cause of these disasters is not global warming; still less is it arson. It is the failure to recognise that fire is an intrinsic feature of eucalypt bushland. It cannot be prevented but it can and should be managed. Unless there is a fundamental change of policy across all levels of government in Australia, there will be more and worse fires and more deaths."
The bushfires have nothing to do with climate change. See things for what they really are. Green policy has taken precedence over common sense hazard reduction practices. When Green politcs inhibit fire authorites from managing controlled burning effectivley, they allow fuel load to build up unaturally and turn the bush into a ticking time bomb. dcraig if your implying that these fires had nothing to do with green politics then you need to take another look.
"FIRE is an essential element in the life cycle of Australian forests. Season by season sclerophyll or hard-leaved woodlands build up huge amounts of detritus, which must burn if there is to be new growth.
For 40 or maybe 60 millennia, Aboriginal peoples managed fire proactively, setting alight woodland, scrubland and grassland, so that they could pass freely, so that game was driven towards them, so that fresh green herbage was available. Aboriginal languages have dozens of words for fire. As the Endeavour sailed up the eastern coast, Captain Cook noted that the skies were darkened with smoke by day and lit up by fire at night.
Bushland that is not burned regularly turns into a powder keg, as the fuel load inexorably increases. The cause of these disasters is not global warming; still less is it arson. It is the failure to recognise that fire is an intrinsic feature of eucalypt bushland. It cannot be prevented but it can and should be managed. Unless there is a fundamental change of policy across all levels of government in Australia, there will be more and worse fires and more deaths."
The bushfires have nothing to do with climate change. See things for what they really are. Green policy has taken precedence over common sense hazard reduction practices. When Green politcs inhibit fire authorites from managing controlled burning effectivley, they allow fuel load to build up unaturally and turn the bush into a ticking time bomb. dcraig if your implying that these fires had nothing to do with green politics then you need to take another look.
here here :clap:
Unless you have direct and actual experience in managing some land / forest I can honestly say that most people have no ...king idea .
Your correct, in some ways, but then nobody is, technically, incorrect in this thread, it is a matter of opinion to an an extent. A royal commision-great, same as they did after canberra, not a single recommendation implemented, out of dozens.
Reading today, the kinglake area council, prohibited tree removal, against CSIRO giudelines, and fined people for things, that people in WA would be fined for NOT doing to reduce fire risk.
Bizzare, no? And Germaine Greer is , again, talking out of her ass, no surprise, but most aboriginal communities , inhabiting these kinds of dry schlerophyll areas, did practice anything resembling the practises of arhnem land, as in seasonal burning.
Why? Because they regarded it as suicidal, for obvious reasons.