A Top Notch Article

Though I do not usually recommend the more sensational-style of article from the London press, this is a foreboding article of what may be happening in Europe with the removal of two democratically elected goverments by a non-elected and undemocratic EU.
It is more relevant to non UK based readers.

The great euro Putsch rolls on as two democracies fall - Telegraph

Do you want these two democracies, that do not seem to be able to get their spending under control, to continue to recieve Eurozone funds without any kind of control? He has to be kidding! The best was for them to leave the Euro. That was their democratic choice, but they choose to stay, so they have to take regulatuion. It is as simple as that, although the politicians would have us think differently.

One thing is for sure. The Telegraph would have printed a good article on the subject, no matter what the outcome had been.
 
Do you want these two democracies, that do not seem to be able to get their spending under control, to continue to recieve Eurozone funds without any kind of control? He has to be kidding! The best was for them to leave the Euro. That was their democratic choice, but they choose to stay, so they have to take regulatuion. It is as simple as that, although the politicians would have us think differently.

One thing is for sure. The Telegraph would have printed a good article on the subject, no matter what the outcome had been.

That may be so, but there is a fundamental principle of democracy involved here. Farage is correct but no one will take proper notice until it is much too late. This will eventually lead to the breakup of the Euro (inevitable once they decided to flout the rules) and the European Union as we know it now.
 
That may be so, but there is a fundamental principle of democracy involved here. Farage is correct but no one will take proper notice until it is much too late. This will eventually lead to the breakup of the Euro (inevitable once they decided to flout the rules) and the European Union as we know it now.

Don't mistake me, here. I am not against what Farage says. In fact, he has been saying it ever since he resigned from the Conservative Party. Brussels is a club of exiled politicians who are not representing their countrymen. In fact. most of them are failed politicians at home. These are who are calling the shots in Brussels and it is not doing us any good.

Let us be clear about Farage, too. He is an ambitious politician and has his own fish to fry. Don't be misled by him, but we should use him because he is noisy,mouthy, sarcastic, witty and represents those of us who feel that Brussels is not working.

Barrosso and that Belgian Van Something are wishing that he would go away.

Let's hope that he does not.

I wish that Neil Kinnock had got up and said something similar, then Farage would have an ally but, alas, Kinnock is a club member (in addition to having lost the election for Labour against John Major, of all people).

This has nothing to do with my answer to the previous post. If Greece and Italy have to pay the price of debt problems by having non-political technocrats running their show, then that is their fault. If they want to leave, they have their democratic right to do so.
 
Let us be clear about Farage, too. He is an ambitious politician and has his own fish to fry. Don't be misled by him, but we should use him because he is noisy,mouthy, sarcastic, witty and represents those of us who feel that Brussels is not working.

That Farage bloke sounds like a lot of people on T2W :LOL:
 
The best was for them to leave the Euro. That was their democratic choice, but they choose to stay, so they have to take regulatuion.

That is the problem. The EU does not allow democratic choice. They will either not allow referendums, or they will make the constituent countries repeat the referendums until they vote the"correct" way.

The effective dismissal of the Greek and Italian Prime Ministers, and their replacement by unelected Goldman Sachs appointees, is breathtaking.

Check out the all encompassing grip of Goldman sucks here on the Euro map. Its chillingly awesome
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...cy-goldman-sachs-conquers-europe-6264091.html
 
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in addition to those on the map in the post above, the have missed out on Philip D. Murphy - United States Ambassador to Germany! He spent 23 years at Goldman Sachs (Frankfurt office, managed activities in Germany, Switzerland, Austria and the emerging nations of Central Europe. President of Goldman Sachs (Asia)
 
That is the problem. The EU does not allow democratic choice. They will either not allow referendums, or they will make the constituent countries repeat the referendums until they vote the"correct" way.

The effective dismissal of the Greek and Italian Prime Ministers, and their replacement by unelected Goldman Sachs appointees, is breathtaking.

Check out the all encompassing grip of Goldman sucks here on the Euro map. Its chillingly awesome
What price the new democracy? Goldman Sachs conquers Europe - Business Analysis & Features - Business - The Independent

I'm sorry, but Papandreu made the decision not to call elections or a referendum, not Merkel. Merkel has her own electorate to worry about and they see Greece and all of the rest of us---including the UK, by the way, in a very practical way when in comes to their own well-being at home. We are no different, this is a club of convenience and, when there is trouble, the cracks show.

The problem with us is that we are scared of alternatives. The fact that Argentina and Russia are still alive and kicking after default does not seem so bad after the fact. Before, though, is scary for everyone with money in the bank.

Rajoy has to find 16 billion euros by next year and he has 21% unemployed. Where is he going to get that money and reduce unemployment?

I think that he should have a plan B and that should entail taking Spain out of Europe within six months, if he sees no way out by then.
 
I'm sorry, but Papandreu made the decision not to call elections or a referendum, not Merkel.

Papandreu was taken aside and told that if he dropped the referendum and and gave up the Prime Minister role in Greece, he would be given a nice cushy job with the European Union in the not too distant future.

It will have an impressive sounding title and a big salary and unlimited expenses.(and with the standard NO tax payable that all EU officials have as a benefit). And, he no longer will have any day to day political infighting to worry about.

That is why he has now resigned from Greek politics so that there can be a reasonable amount of time to re-style himself as a Greek Statesman suitable for EU duties.

Unfortunately, the already-forgotten reality is that he sold out the entire Greek nation.

PS (I am a bit late replying to this but I do not get here all that often)
 
Papandreu was taken aside and told that if he dropped the referendum and and gave up the Prime Minister role in Greece, he would be given a nice cushy job with the European Union in the not too distant future.

It will have an impressive sounding title and a big salary and unlimited expenses.(and with the standard NO tax payable that all EU officials have as a benefit). And, he no longer will have any day to day political infighting to worry about.

That is why he has now resigned from Greek politics so that there can be a reasonable amount of time to re-style himself as a Greek Statesman suitable for EU duties.

Unfortunately, the already-forgotten reality is that he sold out the entire Greek nation.

PS (I am a bit late replying to this but I do not get here all that often)

I hadn't thought about it, but I believe that you are right. I think that he would be a great candidate to go alongside all the other useless throwaways that other nations have sent to Brussels. It's a pity about the salary and expenses that he will get, though,

You and I have a problem, mate. We are in the wrong job. We are not politicians and, if we were, we are not useless enough to get the best jobs. :(
 
Though I do not usually recommend the more sensational-style of article from the London press, this is a foreboding article of what may be happening in Europe with the removal of two democratically elected goverments by a non-elected and undemocratic EU.
It is more relevant to non UK based readers.

The great euro Putsch rolls on as two democracies fall - Telegraph

In addition to replacing a democratically head of state, the non-elected and undemocratic EU is also planning to take total control of its finaces and budgets.
IMF tells Greece it will lose control of budget in return for bail-out - Telegraph

When will the Greeks wake up to this? They have been sold out by their politicians.
And Portugal and then Spain and Ireland are next in line.
 
In addition to replacing a democratically head of state, the non-elected and undemocratic EU is also planning to take total control of its finaces and budgets.
IMF tells Greece it will lose control of budget in return for bail-out - Telegraph

When will the Greeks wake up to this? They have been sold out by their politicians.
And Portugal and then Spain and Ireland are next in line.

Greece, in my view, has played a double game on the EU. Firstly, they, with their massive borrowing, did nothing to help the EU when the world economic crisis came along. They created the real problem. Now, when Germany has given untold billions of loans, the EU has discovered that Greece is, nowhere near, the only problem. Greece may default and leave the union, but whatever happens, Germany and the EU will never, ever, get that money back. The cheek of it all is that, in addition to letting them have all that money in "loans", they want 4% interest on it!

Democracy and economics do not work. China, I believe, appreciates this more than anyone and they are developing a curious mixture of dictatorship, communism and capitalism to try to resolve their problems.

So you have to decide what you want. Democracy or capitalism. If you want capitalism there are conditions. Borrow too much and the money devalues. Or you can have true democracy. I am an old man, now, and I have not seen that, yet. It, certainly, does not exist in the US. The left wing only know how to spend and borrow. We've had all that, so what is going to be the solution? Libya has got rid of Gadaffi. He was a real brute and so is the Syrian guy, but with what are they going t replace it?

Your fear that Germany wants to take everything over may be true. As long as there is a sense of justice, I can assure you, there is not much different for working people. I lived under Franco for ten years and I am still here! During the subsequent years I have seen my savings devalue. Do you realise that, when I came here I , and my family, could live for a year on what what would not pay a month's rent today?

This is a rant. But I repeat. I am not frightened of German dominance in Europe, I don't think that it will happen and, if it did, would it be worse that US influence on the UK over the last 60 years? Influence, yes. Dominance, no.
 
Democracy suffers from fatal flaws :-
1. The usual people elected are unlikely to be the most capable for the job. They tend to be either money based as in the USA and/or PR based as in Europe. The smooth and beguiling PR scoops up votes by the millions as in Blair's landslide elections and not actually telling lies but embellishing truths and half truths. In fact saying what the gullible electorate want to hear, but when it comes to producing, fall far short.
2. Can't make the harsh decisions that may be necessary without the fear of not being elected next time.
3. Attract the " showmen sort" that are feathering their own nests and are not working hard for their country. Viz the expenses scandals.
4. A 2 party democracy is like 2 people tied togethor at the ankles trying to compete in the international 100 metres race. Not a hope in hell of winning ! They are so busy undoing each other's policies nothing gets done.
5. Wasteful and inefficient.
etc.
 
One just can't ignore the rise of China ( and the other brics ) in only 30 years they have overtaken everyone but the USA. Europe has been struggling with democracy for 100s of years.
OK their human rights history is poor with political diisidents but could be improved without the whole system collapsing.
Do they spend a fortune on keeping the likes of "The Yorkshire Ripper" in a warm, comfy confinement with 4 meals a day, computer games, TV etc. I doubt it.
Our whole philosophy needs updating too, to survive the competition !! The US's ideas have been tried, tested and now are found to be second best - you can't ignore the harsh realities for ever or you slip below the surface.
 
An interesting number:

177,470 Spaniards were taken out production, in just 31 days of January, trashing their lives for the prevailing insanity.

177,470 Spaniards are now increasing the debt.

177,470 Spaniards are now contributing nothing either to themselves or to Spain.

177,470
more reasons to hang the corrupt scum in Brussels in just 31 days of January alone
 
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