Wtf

[scose-no-doubt]

lol!

this MUST have been written by some bored journalist with a quota of stories to publish - resulting in making something up for shock value.

anyway, what would they do for those who are self employed?
the real tax evaders don't go through the paye system i will tell you that!!

i do think however that going after tax evaders will be more fruitful and bring higher return than chasing single mums on welfare who may do a bit of cash in hand cleaning on the side to feed their kids.

This man wins the gold star. Tbf PAYE is probably the most inefficient way to get your monies. Pays the highest rate when you consider NI too (as opposed to sole trading)

 

[DionysusToast]

The total inability to administer large computerised systems.

My thoughts exactly.

Can you imagine the government announcing one week that everyone's wages are late ?

 

[DionysusToast]

70m records all linked with a NI number is certainly doable. Unlike the NHS records will not need to be maintained for a life time. Probably no longer than 7 years.

Not by the government & those is subcontracts work to.

 

[Atilla]

Not by the government & those is subcontracts work to.

How about if the work is subcontracted out to the Banks in regional areas...

Banks handle billions of trade & transactions. Why not salaries?


If minds are put to use it is not that difficult?

 

[Hoggums]

I think you've been smoking something dodgy Atilla.

State paid salaries? Sounds like communism to me.

And for the poor family who doesn't get their salary one month because of a HMRC computer glitch? They go overdrawn, incur bank charges, can't pay their mortgage so the credit file gets an arrears. Can't pay the electric so they get bailiff charges added on. Their car insurance direct debit doesn't get paid so they are no longer insured and can't drive to work. etc etc. And you can't get through to HMRC because the phone lines are jammed with thousands of similar people in the same situation.

 

[Atilla]

I think you've been smoking something dodgy Atilla.

State paid salaries? Sounds like communism to me.

And for the poor family who doesn't get their salary one month because of a HMRC computer glitch? They go overdrawn, incur bank charges, can't pay their mortgage so the credit file gets an arrears. Can't pay the electric so they get bailiff charges added on. Their car insurance direct debit doesn't get paid so they are no longer insured and can't drive to work. etc etc. And you can't get through to HMRC because the phone lines are jammed with thousands of similar people in the same situation.

Do you really believe what you have written here?

We've moved away from the idea to 1001 things that can go wrong.

You are the same bunch of guys who state Unions do not change with the times.


Funny that....

 

[DionysusToast]

Do you really believe what you have written here?

We've moved away from the idea to 1001 things that can go wrong.

You are the same bunch of guys who state Unions do not change with the times.


Funny that....

Go pick up a copy of Private Eye.

Have a read and then get back to us.

 

[scose-no-doubt]

Atilla you're being a tool mate. What business does the government have handling my wages please?
Should I also pay my total bills to them and let them settle up with sky, BT, o2, BG and Manweb?

This is one of the most outrageous and invasive policies I've ever heard.

Not bothered anyway. I'd set up an IR35 compliant Ltd as quicker than a dog could lick his own balls. I'd probably get hella business of it actually. Bring it on, Dave and watch it backfire you tw@.

 

[charliechan]

I guess you want a 5 star service for 10% tax rate... You get what you pay for.

Nurses and most civil servants are lowest paid people around.

People who work for the council get peanuts too.

Obviously there are a few so called elite managers who get the cream but along with higher taxation I would make public knowledge the salary of every civil servant in what is termed open government.

The whole system has been run down and every body is out for what they can get. Legacy of individualism which doesn't work.

I'm alright Jack you mind your own back. The whole fabric of society is braking down. Pay a man a decent wage and he will take pride in his work. I was amazed to hear that twat who ran the Harringey Council with the baby P incident was on £130K a year doing eff all whilst people on the front line get no resources or time and earn £16-£24K.

There is a problem with fat cat and rewarding mismanagement in the UK but don't confuse it with the under-payed mass of people in public service who do good work under much pressure. Not like having tea and biscuits served on a silver tray sitting through bleeding meetings all day.

too true.

 

[charliechan]

Nurse and firemen are only OK ??? The people who are responsible for saving peoples lives, also police services.......what about teachers... apparently responsible for teaching the future of the country ....you probably don't like them either ? Army ?

Yeah those civil servants are real low lives......after all they caused the mess we're all in did'nt they..with their unions, low working hours, decent holidays, good working conditions....hold on, this hatred seems like something familiar..a base human emotion ....what is it again ?

??

look at the standard of education these days. im sick of hearing kids say 'fanx' 'bruv' and 'innit'. exams are too easy etc. education is a joke. it's too easy to blame those in govermnet. the truth is, that those responsible are at every level including the teachers. i'm sure it isnt against the school curriculum to teach these oiks how to speak english

so yes! teachers = slackers
nurses = good
doctors = some good & some bad
police = see doctors
army = no opinion. why anybody would want to fight for this country is beyond me. kill foreigners i guess?
civil servants= lazy scum bags
bob crow = stupid fat ******

 

[Atilla]

Atilla you're being a tool mate. What business does the government have handling my wages please?
Should I also pay my total bills to them and let them settle up with sky, BT, o2, BG and Manweb?

This is one of the most outrageous and invasive policies I've ever heard.

Not bothered anyway. I'd set up an IR35 compliant Ltd as quicker than a dog could lick his own balls. I'd probably get hella business of it actually. Bring it on, Dave and watch it backfire you tw@.

What business does the government have handling your wages???

Government already knows what you earn and takes it's share directly without your hands touching 'your' money via PAYE.

Moreover, if you earn above a certain amount and have other income streams makes you damn well declare your earnings and then subsequently takes its due share. 'It ain't your money' until Mr G has finished with it.

Ofcourse you may well have undeclared income and be against the system in which case all the more reason to switch to a better system that deals with tax evaders.


You talk of opening up a company and IR35??? IR35 is dead and I don't know of any contractor who has been subjected to it. I had two VAT inspections over my 16 year contracting career and Mr IR wanted to place me on it. I went through each VAT inspection with my accountant not present and duely answered all questions and got a clean bill of health. I've also worked directly with FTSE100 companies as a contractor with no agency involved.

However, for the best part 16 years wages have been paid form client to agent to yours trully. In some cases there were 4 players.


Invasive policies you say??? - Mr G already knows your credit rating - if you miss any payments on any bills and how much money you spend. Problem often is that its not worth collecting all this info.

I thought you were smart but obviously behind the curve.

If you did want to setup a limited company - there are off-shore companies that act as your agent and accountant. They bill for your time and write out invoice to be paid to them. They then pay you 85-90% of your earnings as a loan. They then write this loan off as bad debt. That's it. All legal I'm told.

A friend of mine does this but I object on a matter of principal.


What business do you have contacting the council - police - NHS or natioanl schools???? You an island or something???

 

[arabianights]

I could understand where Atilla was coming from in an "ideal society". One where we've all signed and abide by the social contract...

As society is so self evidently non ideal, the principles he expounds just don't work in practice...

 

[Atilla]

I could understand where Atilla was coming from in an "ideal society". One where we've all signed and abide by the social contract...

As society is so self evidently non ideal, the principles he expounds just don't work in practice...

Principals don't work at present either...

Principal seldom work because they 'cost too much' in every sense of the word...

 

[arabianights]

It's all the prisoner's dilemma really

 

[Atilla]

It's all the prisoner's dilemma really

I refer to it as the free rider issue...

 

[scose-no-doubt]

What business does the government have handling your wages???

Government already knows what you earn and takes it's share directly without your hands touching 'your' money via PAYE.
Exactly. They get their share so why should they have access to the rest?
Moreover, if you earn above a certain amount and have other income streams makes you damn well declare your earnings and then subsequently takes its due share. 'It ain't your money' until Mr G has finished with it.
Bo11ocks. Top earners get their remuneration outside of the scope of PAYE e.g dividends, shares, pensions etc so it's all about handling the money of Joe Public for some reason
Ofcourse you may well have undeclared income and be against the system in which case all the more reason to switch to a better system that deals with tax evaders.
I don't see why you don't understand that this will have ZERO effect on tax evasion. They don't declare PAYE now so what the hell will they be giving to the government? Their earnings of zero?
You talk of opening up a company and IR35??? IR35 is dead and I don't know of any contractor who has been subjected to it. IR35 is very much alive and kicking and is making a huge dent in the construction industry wage bill atm
I had two VAT inspections over my 16 year contracting career and Mr IR wanted to place me on it. I went through each VAT inspection with my accountant not present and duely answered all questions and got a clean bill of health. I've also worked directly with FTSE100 companies as a contractor with no agency involved. VAT is in no way related to IR35. VAT inspectors specialise in VAT not PAYE.
However, for the best part 16 years wages have been paid form client to agent to yours trully. In some cases there were 4 players.
Invasive policies you say??? - Mr G already knows your credit rating - if you miss any payments on any bills and how much money you spend. Problem often is that its not worth collecting all this info. having information is completely different from having acces to how and when I get MY money
I thought you were smart but obviously behind the curve.
What curve?
If you did want to setup a limited company - there are off-shore companies that act as your agent and accountant. They bill for your time and write out invoice to be paid to them. They then pay you 85-90% of your earnings as a loan. They then write this loan off as bad debt. That's it. All legal I'm told. As the saying goes in the accounting world it's only illegal if you get caught. We deal with people who get nabbed doing this kind of sh1t several times a year and they get whacked with fines. The companies that set these schemes up bear zero liability and it's an easy sell.
A friend of mine does this but I object on a matter of principal.
What business do you have contacting the council - police - NHS or natioanl schools???? You an island or something???
They are public services that I as a British citizen am entitled to as I contribute to their cost through taxes which are being already being paid on a monthly basis and in the correct amounts.

The real problem here is with the veil of incorporation and the people who flop companies with massive PAYE bills (I know of someone who walked away from a from 60k PAYE without so much as even a slap on the wrist and I've heard of people walking away from 100k PAYE)
Until politicians decide to hold people accountable we will always have these problems but they will never allow themselves or their friends to have this kind of exposure.
So billy little guy pays again by having his data hacked or lost on a train or gets his payment effed up.
I know first hand how 5hitty the revenue are at handing people over their money. I have clients waiting since January for 000s worth of overpaid CIS for example.
This is a red herring that will potentially help out the Governments cash flow IMO

 

[Atilla]

The real problem here is with the veil of incorporation and the people who flop companies with massive PAYE bills (I know of someone who walked away from a from 60k PAYE without so much as even a slap on the wrist and I've heard of people walking away from 100k PAYE)
Until politicians decide to hold people accountable we will always have these problems but they will never allow themselves or their friends to have this kind of exposure.
So billy little guy pays again by having his data hacked or lost on a train or gets his payment effed up.
I know first hand how 5hitty the revenue are at handing people over their money. I have clients waiting since January for 000s worth of overpaid CIS for example.
This is a red herring that will potentially help out the Governments cash flow IMO

Death and taxes... Fact of life. I concur with your post but it shows our current system is pretty much in a mess and Gordon Brown has further complicated the taxation / benefit system.

Politicians always lie and public seem to vote in those who promise lower taxes and improved services by better managing our country. The figures don't add up but people believe the lies.

This is why I voted Liberal because they were the only party along with the late John Smith who told it like it was. Basically, I support a higher tax rate and improved social services in a fair and efficient way.

What ever the outcome taxation and benefit system needs serious redress.

 

[MrGecko]

This is why I voted Liberal because they were the only party along with the late John Smith who told it like it was.

The lib dems got to "tell it ike it is" (or say whatever they want, really) because they never thought they would have to back it up in G'ment. And they still haven't realised that they can't continue to do so now that they are - just look at Vince Cable.

 

[Atilla]

The lib dems got to "tell it ike it is" (or say whatever they want, really) because they never thought they would have to back it up in G'ment. And they still haven't realised that they can't continue to do so now that they are - just look at Vince Cable.

I like Vince Cable. He is doing a fantastic job of telling it like it is...

 

[MrGecko]

Vince Cable is a ****ing liability