Trading and meditation

[Directional]

was it called playboy, escort, or razzle?

combined with slick-lips pleasurevibe 2000?

I think that may have been a different department of Life"Tools"

 

[fxmarkets]

When I read about 'star' traders, there seems to be a high number who say that meditation, or some form of visualisation exercise, have helped in their trading success.

Does anyone here meditate ?

Regards,

Ivor

Perhaps we all do to a degree as such but some not conscious of it........ meditation in the sense of planning in the mind , role playing it focus, I would of thought no machines just a quiet environment running through visualising yourself trading and dealing with all situations visualising yourself ,patience tuning in to reading the market waiting for your setup, initiating the trade following your objectives, patience with any trades that result in a negative points,£, patience with any trades yielding a positive points,£, when in a trade ,losing the connection ,going absolutely ape****......... !!

I have a stone deity (a solid 10 inches,buffed daily to aid focus in a ritual manner )statue in med. pose sat between two screens on my desk I'm not always conscious of it if trading short term , as you are in the screen tic,by tic but if taking a directional day trade then I sit back more detached from tics (of sorts)and I see the that deity who looks passive , content ,relaxed yet completely sensing, so I think, nice one and remind myself to consider chosing to be-have likewise. So its a very effective visual reminder/prompt generally throughout the day, which does assist as a nudge..


Fx.

 

[trendie]

was it called playboy, escort, or razzle?

None of the above. Penthouse!!

lol, no worries. I've got one of their mind state inducing brain machines tucked away in my drawer. Havent used it in a while but it certainly produces interesting effects, when it doesnt make me fall asleep.

I was always tempted by their lucid dream machines but never got round to ordering one... any good?

once I got used to it, the dreams were incredibly vivid. but I lost interest. like you, it is gathering dust somewhere in the loft. ( the machine, not you personally )

ivorm: will stop taking this thead off-topic, and will hereon desist from posting.

 

[charliechan]

magic mushrooms. £10 camden market.

i hear the mexican ones are good, but the hawaiian are mind blowing!

(if wacky dreams, swirling colours and vivid hallucinations are your thang)

 

[Pat494]

I have a stone deity (a solid 10 inches,buffed daily to aid focus in a ritual manner )statue in med. pose sat between two screens on my desk I'm not always conscious of it if trading short term , as you are in the screen tic,by tic but if taking a directional day trade then I sit back more detached from tics (of sorts)and I see the that deity who looks passive , content ,relaxed yet completely sensing, so I think, nice one and remind myself to consider chosing to be-have likewise. So its a very effective visual reminder/prompt generally throughout the day, which does assist as a nudge..


Fx.

Could this be the beginnings of a new materialist religion ?
Not God inventing man ( see Genesis ) but man inventing his own personal God ? For his own purposes naturally. ( see Moses ).
What would your shrine to this God have ? A picture of something green perhaps ?

 

[fxmarkets]

Could this be the beginnings of a new materialist religion ?
Not God inventing man ( see Genesis ) but man inventing his own personal God ? For his own purposes naturally. ( see Moses ).
What would your shrine to this God have ? A picture of something green perhaps ?

howdy brother pat494, business and religion works ? or is it one ? lordy... the business of religion, hmmm... gods a poker player too you know.........


"What would your shrine to this God have"

oceans, deserts, cities, curry houses, flowers, concrete, black white,love hate etc.. good heavens .the place called earth .......

"but man inventing his own personal God ? For his own purposes naturally."

what about, thats the point...... "God" has invented man so that he (man) can live for his own purpose? which is ? covered by "free will" thats not a bad deal is it? amen to that...... cheers.

fx.

 

[Finlayson]

self relaxation machines, self hypnosis, meditation...all pretty interesting & very useful if they interest you(they do me), yes I guess they all have their differences & their connections...I have studied the second & practice the other two.......It is shame when people start to focus on the exact meanings or what it is exactly that people are looking for .....when only they do or do not know.

escpecially such an interesting subject ( for me anyway)

Ivor.....I may not be able to give any advice that may be useful, just my limited experience. there are some people who believe they can manifest their wants through meditation ....guess I am at the stage of wanting to believe this but openly admit not full faith.....tho I have had experiences thro this....I am not interested in explanations in this or other people's opinions as this is in the eye of the beholder.

with regard to Trading......I do not know! ......I have my holy grail & this has only been achieved through watching , trading the live market every day for the last 6 years.....& many ups & downs etc etc..

tho I wish I had taken more notice of the self hypnosis practices that someone I studied with advised me of 6 years ago ..............but there you go ''hindsight is a wonderful thing''.......

all I can say I guess without gong on to much is .....practice with your 'mindlab', practice other forms of meditation.......if they make you a better 'Ivor' then they will make you a better Trader......as I am sure you have the skills & abilities in you to be a successful trader.....you already are. They can only benefit in oher aspects of your life also.....as you already know.

I do not claim to 'know ' about connecting meditation with trading.....but being focused on positive outcomes when practising inner focus & taking your brainwave patterns to the correct levels can have great benefits....especially when it comes to keeping you emotions in check when the markets are trying to put them out of control..........also a clear mind is a very 'creative ' mind ....something that can be very useful in trading & developing your skills.

Linking 'Keywords' to emotional States can be very useful also in keeping your emotions in check & a rational mind, this can be achieved thro self hypnosis, inner focus.......tho I know what you mean about achieving these states can not be easy, especailly if you have a 'busy mind' ...this is where a 'gadget' or a guide can help.

this kind of stuff will not do everything for you , but it can be a great help, trading like some other pursuits i.e Golf can be greatly affected( our personal performance that is ) by our emotional state ( read the ''golfer & the millionaire'' a good & entertaining read) so anything that can help us with our emotional states at any given time .....can only be of help to us.

anyway....good luck with all this & everything ivor, if there is anything you can share with me I will greatly appreciate it.

best of luck

Jay

 

[ivorm]

are you talking about the LifeTools Mind Machines stuff?

Hi Arbitrageur,

Sorry about the delay in answering you.

I don't know about the Life Tools Mind Machines stuff - it might be the same kind of thing.

I got my Meditations Machine from www.meditations-uk.com. The one I use is called Inner Pulse , if that's any help.

HTH

Regards,

Ivor

 

[Pat494]

It is not quite the meditation that is referred to above BUT I think I might pin on the wall some basic trading rules that I should stick to but sometimes forget in the heat of the chase as it were. Reminders perhaps to keep one on the right rails.

 

[The Baptist]

Hi Bramble,

Thanks for your reply.

Are you saying in connection with trading, then, that during a meditation session, you should focus on positive outcomes for your trades and try to use all your senses trying to imagine those positive outcomes actually happening ?



I can't say I agree with you about that. I tried to meditate for years using all sorts of techniques and never felt I was getting anywhere.

The first time I used a Meditation Machine I could feel myself automatically mentally and physically relaxing. The twent minutes session went in a flash and I felt much more serene and yet somehow more alive afterwards. I think they really work.

Thanks again for your help with the visualisation stuff.

Regards,

Ivor

Good thread Ivor which machine did you get from the choices there?

 

[The Baptist]

Good thread Ivor which machine did you get from the choices there?

oops got your machine now at the end of the thread. Do you think using machines will form a crutch in the long run over a more naturally induced meditation?

 

[ivorm]

oops got your machine now at the end of the thread. Do you think using machines will form a crutch in the long run over a more naturally induced meditation?

Hi Baptist,

No I don't think using a Meditation Machine will form a crutch. Meditating with a Meditation Machine puts you in excatly the same place as meditating without one. Somewhere on the site it says that these machines are an example of "East meeting West" - Western technology being used with Easterm philosophy.

I think a Meditation Machine provides you with an easier route to getting into meditation. I can't see that it is any different to meditating without one, except you don't have to spend twenty years practicing.

Also, I know someone who now uses a Meditation Machine after meditating for about 30 years without one. He says that with a Meditation Machine, he can meditate more deeply and more quickly than he could before.

HTH

Regards,

Ivor

 

[rols]

oops got your machine now at the end of the thread. Do you think using machines will form a crutch in the long run over a more naturally induced meditation?

Worse than that, it will prevent you from ever learning to do it properly. Call me old fashioned but if it's too easy it can't be worth having. (Apart from the Biscuit Trading method not that I'm trying to plug it or anything, anybody.)

Do you remember the Woody Allen movie 'The Sleeper' where he woke up 200 years in the future and one of the results of progress is a machine that dispenses with having to do sex called The orgasmatron.

Well the meditation machine sounds a bit like that. :cheesy:

 

[ivorm]

Do you remember the Woody Allen movie 'The Sleeper' where he woke up 200 years in the future and one of the results of progress is a machine that dispenses with having to do sex called The orgasmatron.

Well the meditation machine sounds a bit like that. :cheesy:

Well I can't say that I've ever had an orgasm whilst using my Meditation Machine, but I'll keep trying !!

Seriously though, rols, I see what you're getting at - and to some extent I usually think the same. But in this case, I'm not sure what you mean by "learning to do it properly".

The idea of meditation is that you achieve a meditative state of mind. Well, my Meditation Machine gets me there easily and pretty much automatically. I don't see why meditating using the natural stimulus of light and sound is any different from any other meditation technique.

I'm not very good at analogies, but it's a bit like my recent experience with jogging. I started jogging, but had to stop because I was getting pains in my knees and feet. Someone told me to buy a decent pair of running shoes. So I invested a fair bit in special 'high tech' trainers. The result : I can now jog for miles and the pain in my knees and feet has stopped.

You could say that using 'high tech' running shoes is a 'crutch'. And that because it's made it (jogging) easier for me, then the better health that's resulted is not worth having. Personally, I'd rather have the better health !!

I think the Meditation Machines are kindof similar. I feel heathier (both mentally and physically) as a result of meditating regularly using one.

I also believe that my trading has improved since I started using some positive visualisations during my sessions with my Meditation Machine. It could be just a coincidence, I guess, but who knows....

Regards,

Ivor

 

[rols]

Well I can't say that I've ever had an orgasm whilst using my Meditation Machine, but I'll keep trying !!

Seriously though, rols, I see what you're getting at - and to some extent I usually think the same. But in this case, I'm not sure what you mean by "learning to do it properly".

The idea of meditation is that you achieve a meditative state of mind. Well, my Meditation Machine gets me there easily and pretty much automatically. I don't see why meditating using the natural stimulus of light and sound is any different from any other meditation technique.

I'm not very good at analogies, but it's a bit like my recent experience with jogging. I started jogging, but had to stop because I was getting pains in my knees and feet. Someone told me to buy a decent pair of running shoes. So I invested a fair bit in special 'high tech' trainers. The result : I can now jog for miles and the pain in my knees and feet has stopped.

You could say that using 'high tech' running shoes is a 'crutch'. And that because it's made it (jogging) easier for me, then the better health that's resulted is not worth having. Personally, I'd rather have the better health !!

I think the Meditation Machines are kindof similar. I feel heathier (both mentally and physically) as a result of meditating regularly using one.

Regards,

Ivor

Good try but intrinsically a fallacious argument. Whether the meditation machine makes you 'feel healtier' or not isn't really the issue. After all I can feel relaxed and calm by taking a hot bath. To reveal whether true meditative states are being achieved then tests using electroencephalography under controlled circumstances would be a necessity.

In the same way that 'high tech' trainers ain't gonna turn me into Seb Coe, or a magic scanner transfom me into a Jesse Livermore, I fear it takes abit more effort than £150 and a couple of batteries to become the Dali Lama.

 

[ivorm]

To reveal whether true meditative states are being achieved then tests using electroencephalography under controlled circumstances would be a necessity.

Yes. But that's just it. Tests under controlled conditions have been carried out. And the results show that the brainwave patterns achieved by people using light and sound stimulation are identical to those achieved by Zen monks when they meditate.

I'm not saying that a Meditation Machine will turn me into the Dali Lama any more than I said that my new trainers will turn me into Seb Cole. But if something can help me along the way, then I think that has to be a good thing.

Anyway, we clearly have a difference of opinion here and I respect your views. My thinking is that if you can meditate without a Meditation Machine, then that's geat. On the other hand, for people who are struggling with meditation or for those who would like to meditate and want to start meditating easily and quickly, Meditation Machines are well worth a try in my opinion.

Regards,

Ivor

 

[TheBramble]

Why don't you both have a duel?

Ivorm in high-tech trainers and blinking lights & sounds machine and rols in a hot bath with his scrapbook of 'Thatches through the Ages'...

We'll stick wires in all your available orifices and invent a few new ones and see which of you reaches Nirvana first.

Deal?

 

[rols]

Yes. But that's just it. Tests under controlled conditions have been carried out. And the results show that the brainwave patterns achieved by people using light and sound stimulation are identical to those achieved by Zen monks when they meditate.

I'm not saying that a Meditation Machine will turn me into the Dali Lama any more than I said that my new trainers will turn me into Seb Cole. But if something can help me along the way, then I think that has to be a good thing.

Anyway, we clearly have a difference of opinion here and I respect your views. My thinking is that if you can meditate without a Meditation Machine, then that's geat. On the other hand, for people who are struggling with meditation or for those who would like to meditate and want to start meditating easily and quickly, Meditation Machines are well worth a try in my opinion.

Regards,

Ivor

Precisely! Tibet finally comes to Bude! I agree that certain traders using certain magic scanners can achieve results akin to Market Wizards. But the question is, is it gonna work for you and me or is it like buying a lottery ticket and having those few moments of fantasy that it really 'could be you'? IMO 'meditating easily and quickly' is not unlike the old chesnut 'Become a Master Trader in all Markets - Five Minutes a Day with no Effort.'

If I play the lottery every week I'm going to get a few £10 wins here and there, even perhaps £100, but my chances of winning the jackpot are still 1300000 to 1.

So am I really meditating or just feeling relaxed? Am I really a master trader or am I just filling up my screen space with spaghetti and pretending to be one?

Ivor. Trust me on this one. Anything of any real value cannot be bought off the peg. If you still don't believe me, take a trip down to Burtons.

 

[rols]

Why don't you both have a duel?

Ivorm in high-tech trainers and blinking lights & sounds machine and rols in a hot bath with his scrapbook of 'Thatches through the Ages'...

We'll stick wires in all your available orifices and invent a few new ones and see which of you reaches Nirvana first.

Deal?

Oh praise the heavens for the thorny wit of theBramble!

Just in case a new one is required :cheesy:

 

[ivorm]

Precisely! Tibet finally comes to Bude! I agree that certain traders using certain magic scanners can achieve results akin to Market Wizards. But the question is, is it gonna work for you and me or is it like buying a lottery ticket and having those few moments of fantasy that it really 'could be you'? IMO 'meditating easily and quickly' is not unlike the old chesnut 'Become a Master Trader in all Markets - Five Minutes a Day with no Effort.'

If I play the lottery every week I'm going to get a few £10 wins here and there, even perhaps £100, but my chances of winning the jackpot are still 1300000 to 1.

So am I really meditating or just feeling relaxed? Am I really a master trader or am I just filling up my screen space with spaghetti and pretending to be one?

Ivor. Trust me on this one. Anything of any real value cannot be bought off the peg. If you still don't believe me, take a trip down to Burtons.

Wow rols, I'm afraid you lost me on this one !

And I was always told not to trust anyone who says "Trust Me".

Anyway, let's just agree to disagree.

Regards.

Ivor