Spread betting FRAUD

It's ok spilt I've been trading with Spreadex, City, CMC, Fins and IG for nearly 8 years so I dont need the advice, but thanks anyway. What I would say is that when it comes to orders from that 5 IG are the worst. I've had numerous times when I've been filled by IG in market hours, in normal market conditions through my stop level.

That incident, that I just mentioned, was the most serious I had, involving several thousands. In those days, without online trading, I admit to being a bit lax when noting the time on closing trades and I was saved by living abroad and making an international call which had been registered by the phone company.

It took ten days to sort out, what with the phone company sending my extracts, etc. It was a very worrying period so, if others are reading this post-----

Pay atention to the paperwork.

My lesson learned!

Split
 
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Hi, Fib

Can you read my tread 'Has the FTSE reached the top?'. Anyway, spread trading or betting is like Worse, much much Worse Than Gambling. A person could walk into a betting shop and bet a quid on a horse or into those jackpot/ roulette machines. If he wins, then he wins or if he loses, a quid is nothing.

But for spread trade, it is definitely worse! It is like sending money into a hellhole with darkness enveloping. I have done trades for the Hang Seng Index. Managed to get 4000 pounds ( or the equivalent ) profits per week on top of my 9,000 pounds capital! But the trading brokerage withheld my profits claiming that they have cash flow problem or that the withdrawal is ill-timed ( they even had the galls to subtract a certain loss prior to my becoming a self-investor ).

Some of these trading firms DO HAVE CASH FLOW PROBLEMS and are dodgy in their dealings. A lot might be connected with money laundering and shady figures in the underworld. So, do watchout for these firms. That was where I had been, during my years trading in Malaya!

S K

I agree. If you are holding overnight beyond the close, you have to be prepared for such incidences.
Fib, i agree with you that this system has the potential to be abused by the SB - stop-hunting etc. But if you trade despite this, you are vulnerable to the potential abuse.
The alternative to trading real FTSE futures contracts, and continuing with the SB route is to only day trade (not hold open positions beyond the session close) or look at futuresbetting.com
 
Hi

For spread betters/ traders, it is the best policy to apply a quick and get it entry/ exit.
No rollover or going in for prolong ( more than 1 hour ) kind of thing. As you know, the market in London would be more and more upbeat dependent on the Treasury and other commercial sector news. Due to unemployment, a lot of other implications would arise.

As you can gather, there would be more unemployment and there would be also more and more crime ( high level ones like hacking and frauds as well ) being committed so do watchout for any online glithes and attacks. It is advised that you never pay the betting/ trading company online either using a credit card or even a debit card. Use crossed check instead. I am a former IT security/ technical consult.

Also never use an IM program ( such as skype or icq ) when you are trading/ betting as these succumb to hacking events or internet virus spread, very easily. If possible use free programs like zonealarm ( firewalls ) and Mcafee site_advisor as these would prevent phishing sites and virus/ hacking from ruining your connection bandwidth. You see there are adwares that can STEAL YOUR BANDWIDTH, so that the data feed from the brokerage slows down - a change in FTSE might take 14 secs instead of the almost real time change!

Spyware/ adware also slows down the PC/ Laptop such that your automated trading system might not execute the proper trading ( STOP or TRAILING STOP ) in time! It will even cause untold stress and frustration if you have to execute it yourself ( in the case of non-automated trading system interface )!

That is why it is necessary to be like a Barbarian Raider than a long term Holder strategy for those who are into spread betting/ trading. Ha, it is also wise to choose a good and trusty brokerage ( it is like you are fighting on their tuft ) as they can turn and backbite ( since the money is in their hands ) you, even though you have an account with them and the money deposit is in the positive. They want to Earn Money ( whether be it from you, the client or from its hedge that it supposedly places for every bet ) - the Main Object!

Let me further advise that there is volitility in the FTSE and of course, there will be a downward coming soon. So, that trendline would hold for days. Do watchout for it. That is like a good wave for those who like a good Surfer, try to get a good surfing record!

I am also into the DOW as well. But will keep the update on a separate tread.



S K

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I have actual Fundamental Analysis data that the deviations might be more of a 4-10 % point downward. Might not be a spiral to a support of 5,200 yet but that is my analysis using current FA data.

But of course, intraday analysis depends on the data feeds and Tech Analysis instead.
I am certain that 5,200 plus minus 75 points would be a comfortable region for those who might consider short-selling the FTSE futures or even spread trade or bet!

The Spread traders of course, cannot carry a roll over trade to the next day. Of, for those of you who might want to spread trade or bet, please do consider this point. And I definitely would discourage anyone getting into credit card debts for the sake of getting to trade or spread trade. Makes no sense here.

The Fri ( 29/08 ) close is 5,637 - up 36 points from ( 28/08 ) Thurs closing of 5,601 and of course that was steadily rising little from the rest of the week.

S K
I actually think that as long as you position size relative to the volatility of the time frame you are trading the risk is no greater. That may not be the case with SB companies but I have not found it to be an issue using direct access.


Paul
 
By now you all know my thoughts on spread betting companies.
If your going to trade use DA through a good broker.
1 pont on the dow and 0.10 S&P or 0.25 mini
Spread betting companies stink, some more than others, but still stinks the same.
 
Hi to All and Sundry!

As you know, when you enter a gambling den, the moment you make entry the den already had you in its 'mouth' - unless of course, you don't place a bet at all!

The longer you stay, the worse it gets for the pocket 'cos the den has the house edge.
In regards to the rules and regulations, for online trading brokers, they also reserve the right to refuse a bet or a contract. So, this also implies an addition to the House Edge as the gambling dens Will Not Refuse a Bet or any Bet ( unless it like for roulette - the ball has already started rolling - which will not happen for online trading as it has to be near real time ).

So, technology is in the way as some Internet connections are slow and sometimes the phone can get busy or cross lined as well! Therefore, it is best to use a broker that provide good clean signals/ data w/o the usual repudiations of bets and the tightest spread possible for clients as these conditions lets a trade be carried out smoothly ( not gambling any more as it brings out the FA, TA and the usual RA ......... etc into the Trading activity ) and wisely!

But, do catch out the recession bug, cos the last recession, many dodgy ones are coming out, the FSA and the consumer protection agency will not cover any losses, even though should there be any offset against tax, there is no point as it leaves the clients cheated ( none the wiser ) ......................

A few pence to this topic!

S K


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HariHaraBramKalki(S K)

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By now you all know my thoughts on spread betting companies.
If your going to trade use DA through a good broker.
1 pont on the dow and 0.10 S&P or 0.25 mini
Spread betting companies stink, some more than others, but still stinks the same.
 
I am a former IT security/ technical consult.


S K

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Yes for which Donar Kebab shop were you a IT security/ technical consult for.
 
You may see it as unfair that IG stopped you out at 6151, but if you had the position on with DMA and the market kept on dumping in the states you could have found you stop being filled where the FTSE opened. I.e. way below 6151.
 
Fib - sorry you took a loss. Whether 'fair' or 'unfair' I wouldn't like to say.

Best advice I can offer is ignore almost everything cu20052003 says. His comments are mostly uninformed, always arrogant, his submitted profile reveals no trading experience. He's probably right about long-term-buy-and-hold, but confining your horizons to 1 hour is ludicrous.

He clearly does not understand what gambling is and what it is not. Anyone who doesn't understand what gambling is doesn't know when he's doing it and when he is not. Aversion to gambling in any case probably reveals psychological susceptibility to guilt and other negative emotional associations when trading - a successful trader cannot feel guilty if they acquire money without 'working' for it, or at some other trader's expense, that's the point, its capitalism. Good luck.
 
For spread betters/ traders, it is the best policy to apply a quick and get it entry/ exit.
No rollover or going in for prolong ( more than 1 hour ) kind of thing.

This is the worst piece of advice I have ever read on this forum.

The last thing a new trader should try and do is get in and out quick.

Heavens above. People are going to read this cr*p and think yeah, that could work...
 
This is the worst piece of advice I have ever read on this forum.

The last thing a new trader should try and do is get in and out quick.

Heavens above. People are going to read this cr*p and think yeah, that could work...

Well! considering it is coming from the mad monk I don't think we need worry too much,
Even someone with half a brain cell knows to ignore him.
 
For spread betters/ traders, it is the best policy to apply a quick and get it entry/ exit.No rollover or going in for prolong ( more than 1 hour ) kind of thing. (

Tell me
cu20052003491292,

Is that how your security consult business works?

:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:
 
ftse close time

It's all about taking the 'easy money' from the markets...

What I mean to say is that during the key hours of the day you can obtain pips easier as the liquidity is there and it's 'real' rather than outside of normal hours where the SB firms make it up. Why spend hours on a Sunday night trying to make 10 pips when you can trade fewer hours, like from 0700-1100 during the week and hide behind the big boys moving things along?

The whole aim for me with trading is to maximise my hourly earnings. If I can earn a decent wage in a four hour period and then take the rest of the day off then I'll be happy. I don't want to take over the world just overtake my salary so I can give up the day job.

SBetting has it's place, but don't believe that they want winners outside of the market hours. The software can be programmed to do what they wish very easily out of market trading times I'm sure! :devilish:

You were stopped on friday because FTSE futures trade until 9pm uk time!!
changed this year...used to be 5.30 uk time
 
I agree wholeheartedly with the comments already made. IG Index as well as the majority of spreadbetting companies have the ability to manipulate the market (move prices when it suits them), the platform (freeze it so that you have to log in again, by that time the trade normally has gone horribly wrong), individual trades (ex employees have told me that trades can be added to the account) and many other variations. The biggest manipulation in my opinion is being able to change their Terms and Conditions at will (this includes any verbal or email agreements you may have. My advice to avoid this - do not trade with them.
 
Hello,

I'm a newbie. I've bought and sold plenty of shares since 2008. I only tend to hold for more than a few weeks when I get it wrong but still believe in the company. Now I ditch loses fast. Usually!

I'm now trying out InterTrader's demo software for spread bets which I mostly like on the face of it. However, soon after I started to use the demo a FTSE100 rolling got stopped right on the fraction as in XXXX.7 soon after 9 p.m. when their spread goes from 1 pip to 5. I increased the spread by five points just before the witching hour. The low of the night was right on that fraction _ _ _ _.7.

I suspect their systems are programmed to stop fish if close by. If, as one poster suggested, these bookies have their own data/graphical representation of the market then it is a dangerous game for the punter as there would be no benchmark. But are they not watched closely by the regulators? Perhaps the FSA do not have many PHDs but they could afford a forensic accountant, lawyer and IT specialist team on a contract basis to check such things out every now and again.

Closing any loss making position interday is not that appealing given that the index generally reverses, often on a whim it would seem to me. Applying money management is tougher than I had envisaged with spread bets.

I did a few CFDs with a bank overseas which hedges everything. It didn't feel like I was taking the money the bank wanted when I won. Are there any derivatives brokers in the UK that declare they hedge every position and thus do not need the punter to lose to make money? Multiple spreads from us, the multitude, along with interest charged on overnights (even short positions) and deposits should be enough for the bookies surely?

H of L
 
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