Question to anyone trading for a living

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Forex is a wonderful world because it is one of only a few trading vehicles that tend to be systematic and predictable, if not in the short run of a day or two, but in its overall trend seeking manner.

One can make a VERY decent amount in forex, ONCE one has the experience and education as to how the markets move during a day, such as the two major reversal periods in any 24 hour period.

Like any other situation, there are those who will excel, those that will do competently and those who fall into the middle ground.

the reasons for the failure rate among new "traders" is usually overextension on the trading side and the resultant margin calls, or something I teach against constantly, the STOPLOSS, which is actually a great way of giving the broker your money --- someone recently posted of a huge spike that was propelled by no news that he could see. Well it "might" have been a rumor or news you couldnt see or it could have been "stop hunting" where mm's grab a huge gift of what they consider low priced shares, anticipating a run up later in the day, or 5 days down the road ---

but if one is asking the question then what happens in the market and rules the market is information that is WAY ahead of current experience levels and not very handy at this point.

YES, you can make money. YES, if you sit by your computer, flipping currencies every minute or so, it can be lonely and boring and your personality has to match as there's little room for conversation except really boring times, you can work with ONE screen as you gain experience, but with that experience will probably come the desire to have more, and only bragging rights will limit what you use (I use 3 but could do easily with 2 -- the more you have, up to some point, the easier it is to just "grab" information !

the market has a behavior pattern, since it is driven by humans ---- its HIGHLY dependent on support and resistance areas, and these are easily secured through availability of software and indicators available for the MT4 platform at no cost --- believe me, they work excellently !

as a last thought, although I work in the US, even my students earn 2000 pounds weekly, although its actually pretty simple to do that in a day of little effort by concentrating on the longer timeframes, setting a trade and walking away till the next day. In this manner, I make a consistent 2000 pounds daily, but of course Im working with a decent sized account at this point ! (given good money management, its the size of your equity (NO, not that other thing!) that limits or attains your profit size without placing you in danger !

people have spoken of money management, and its probably MORE important than the actual trading itself, because if you lose your equity you are now OUT of the ballgame, period and end of conversation !

Can you trade for a living --- ABSOLUTELY YES !
there is EVERY form of trading known to humans available in forex (as others also) and one can find a niche, perfect it and do rather sweetly without ever having to face another irritable boss, water cooler or commute -----

REMEMBER NOW -- along the way you might just wander into a relationship with one other or many others, chat during trading and handle some of the solitary nature of the job --- heck, one could even open an office and have real live peoples there and if youre alone, you can always send out for some company --- My personal favorites are the McGiver Sisters !

Working for myself is something ive done for 32 years and i wouldnt change for anything, but its not everyones cup of tea and that is one of the looks at yourself you have to take, but thats psychological and were talking about trading, so my answer has to be GO GET EM TIGER !!!!!

enjoy and trade well

mp

Hi mp,

Thanks for the informative posts.

I guess learning how to trade forex is like learning how to play a violin or piano. Everyone can learn it and produce some sound with it. But only a few of them can play it well enough to receive applauds.

I’ve traded the stock market for over 10 years and now am switching to forex market, so I can focus on the charts and the fundamental news of a few currencies instead of thousands of stocks. I believe one may perform better that way. I'm now trading small size (mostly Eur.Usd) to try this out.

>>setting a trade and walking away till the next day. In this manner, I make a consistent 2000 pounds daily,...<<
My question for this is, when you leave your position overnight, do you place a stoploss order for it? If you do, how many pips do you allow for this type of orders?

Nice to find this forum and hope to see more of your posts.

Good trading :)
 
Hi mp,

Thanks for the informative posts.

I guess learning how to trade forex is like learning how to play a violin or piano. Everyone can learn it and produce some sound with it. But only a few of them can play it well enough to receive applauds.

Indeed true, but one makes a rather decent living (not to forget the tax benefits of being self employed or incorporated) even without the applause, and "decent" in this case is well above what most "wage slaves" make !

I’ve traded the stock market for over 10 years and now am switching to forex market, so I can focus on the charts and the fundamental news of a few currencies instead of thousands of stocks. I believe one may perform better that way. I'm now trading small size (mostly Eur.Usd) to try this out.

I was an equities invester and then trader for 32 years, and switched to forex for precisely the same reasons (just got tired of constantly screening and then having a watchlist of 20 or 30 equities), BUT you will find forex to be very very predictable once you have the experience --- its reversal periods are similar to equites intraday, but being a 24 hour day, has its own manners of longer term reversal also, usually at the Noon and Midnite (USA, EST) periods. The best trading, if you like your action fast, is the London mkt vs all of Europe and Japan.

It responds better to technical analysis than equities, although equities have recently moved in that direction more strongly, the margin allows you to make larger profits faster than equities (although that is a VERY sharp two edged sword !) and it adheres absolutely to support and resistance areas.


News is an intresting topic for me as i rarely ever "intentionally" trade the news, but rather find Im probably already holding a position, which i can then play with as i desire --- a tip I find handy is to watch the trend of the price over a few days, and ABSOLUTELY prior to the news ---- if the price is running up, when the news is released (let us assume its not good) the price will continue UP till it meets its resistance point, AND THEN REVERSE in the direction anticipated by what news was released. The banks have scores of people studying what "should" be the news result, and are pretty danged sure of what it will be before its released, so they move the currency in the opposite direction (let us assume UP in this case) so they will be able to short it for a goodly length of time and make the most profit !) It becomes pretty easy to read if you watch it for a while !

>>setting a trade and walking away till the next day. In this manner, I make a consistent 2000 pounds daily,...<<
My question for this is, when you leave your position overnight, do you place a stoploss order for it? If you do, how many pips do you allow for this type of orders?

I NEVER use a stoploss, but I am ALWAYS aware of the trend which you will learn is one of the most impt things to always have on your mind. I have NEVER had a bad overnite trade, but Im also a tad chicken, and rarely stretch my tp to the very bottom (or top) of where i think it will go, which of course causes me to slap myself sometimes for being such a coward.

Nice to find this forum and hope to see more of your posts.

Good trading :)

I understand youre trading small quantities with real money, but might I suggest a little paper trading as there really are some differences between forex and equities ---- of course, you may be absolutely great and my advice silly !

May i suggest a most valuable chart overlay, the Linear Regression Channel, also available for MT4 as "true SHI channel", which shows you the top and bottom support and resistance areas multitimeframe ----- use it once, and you will never trade without it again !


enjoy and trade well

mp
 
I understand youre trading small quantities with real money, but might I suggest a little paper trading as there really are some differences between forex and equities ---- of course, you may be absolutely great and my advice silly !

May i suggest a most valuable chart overlay, the Linear Regression Channel, also available for MT4 as "true SHI channel", which shows you the top and bottom support and resistance areas multitimeframe ----- use it once, and you will never trade without it again !


enjoy and trade well

mp

Hi mp,

Great post again, Thanks! Your observations on the forex market are quite helpful to me.

After studying the forex charts and watching the market for a couple of weeks, I agree that the forex responds better to technical analysis than stocks do.

One of the important factors that makes the stocks behave poorer technically, I have seen, is that stock prices controlled heavily by the market makers. They know very well most stock traders buy and sell based on technical indicators and chart patterns, the market makers intentionally move the price against those indicators during the day to punish the day traders and make them behave (stock market makers hate day traders, because they always try to get in front of the MMs’ buy and sell orders). Under the frequent interventions, the stock prices could not act as naturally as they should, and day trading stocks could get tougher.

It’s a very good suggestion for a forex newbie to paper trade first. I actually still do it now with my simulated account. But since I tend to be “bolder” and less careful when I use paper money, I started to do small size with real money at the same time under tight cut-loss rule. As long as I do it conservatively, I think I should be ok.

Right now I only do forex day trades, I’ll learn overnight trades without stops with paper trades in the near future. I'll try MT4 too, that seems to be a great suggestion. Thanks again!

Best regards,

Ed
 
Hi mp,

After studying the forex charts and watching the market for a couple of weeks, I agree that the forex responds better to technical analysis than stocks do.

One of the important factors that makes the stocks behave poorer technically, I have seen, is that stock prices controlled heavily by the market makers. They know very well most stock traders buy and sell based on technical indicators and chart patterns, the market makers intentionally move the price against those indicators during the day to punish the day traders and make them behave (stock market makers hate day traders, because they always try to get in front of the MMs’ buy and sell orders). Under the frequent interventions, the stock prices could not act as naturally as they should, and day trading stocks could get tougher.

Unfortunately, I will have to disagree with most of what you post above, as equities move in much the same manner intraday as does forex ---- from the opening bell there is (for instance) an upward move, the price clears yesterdays prior close and the signals are green ----- but alas, 10:30 AM, EST arrives and those in the know sell at the resistance point, the selling creates a downside move, reinforced now by the mm's who work the stock down, grabbing cheaper shares for the afternoon runup, and forcing a lot of dumb money to sell, or watch their profits disappear. The smart money simply buys to resistance, dumps at 10:30, shorts on the way down, covers by 2 ish and then jumps on the next upside runup, using particular resistance figures (today it was the prior days high on the DOW which is one strong medicine)

This is also the way forex moves, although it stretches major reversals to the Noon area, because of the time span of forex --- watch for a while and see !


It’s a very good suggestion for a forex newbie to paper trade first. I actually still do it now with my simulated account. But since I tend to be “bolder” and less careful when I use paper money, I started to do small size with real money at the same time under tight cut-loss rule. As long as I do it conservatively, I think I should be ok.

Right now I only do forex day trades, I’ll learn overnight trades without stops with paper trades in the near future. I'll try MT4 too, that seems to be a great suggestion. Thanks again!

If youre not using MT4 presently, where are you getting your charts ?

Best regards,

Ed

enjoy and trade well

mp
 
Hi mp,

Actually you were talking about the stock market general trends in a normal trading day, I basically agree with that. What I referred to was individual stocks’ behavior. You may see many individual stocks these days move in unusual way: some of them often move sideway for hours with 1 cent spread; some of them frequently make head-fake moves during the day, etc. Those charts are difficult to trade.

I have an account with Interactive brokers and I use their trading platform. Their charting software may not be the best but all right. IB charge commissions for forex trading ($2.90 one way for a size of $100,000) rather than charge fees from pips. IB forex spread are normally 1~2 pips, perhaps better than many forex brokers.

Best regards,

Ed
 
I been trading 8 years now full time forex and very rare dabble in binaries for fun but they should never be taken serious. One of the problems of multi screen is information overload. Its absolutely not necessary to sit there all day with Bloomberg and CNN etc running then have 5 screens and have a contest how many dials you can show on each screen. Sure your friends might be impressed and i used to do that but you know what? At the end of the day, trading is only a proxy to earn a living. So you must decide are you living to trade or trade for a living?
Secondly, don't expect to get rich you wont..... its very unlikely. If you do get rich its because you wasn't expecting to! The closer you run trading as a small business and draw a small wage the better chances of survival.

If you think about this then there is no need to suffer information overload and the simplest systems are the most profitable. Its not easy but i can trade off a single moving average with nothing else and still make money. However most newbies start off scalping but its by far the highest risk and most losing method you can do which is why the SB's want you to day trade and take hi low binary bets to guess what will happen in 8 hours time. An honest broker if there is such a thing makes a living from your spreads thus encourages you to trade several times a day in doing so will make more money. Also If you are untrained, its a bit like riding a 1000 cc motorbike untrained you are sure to crash and burn. Successful trading is boring not fun if you want fun go to a casino. Huge bits of your life go "missing" if you get over indulged. Its very easy to go completely crazy after 5 years of screen watching.

My advice is demo for at least 6 months before you go live or live with micro lots account even at 50p on igindex is too big to learn go to someone like Alpari UK a forex broker running Mt4. They allow 0.01 micro lots so its good to practice with. Be honest with yourself on demo trade with the actual amount and size you could afford to go live with and be sure that over that 6 months you made consistent and steady profits. Dont ever think for one second it will be easier when you go live.

Regarding systems you name it i tried it. I think over the years since Metatrader Mt3 days i have used everything from channels, macd, rsi, stochy crossovers, neural networks, Genetic modeling, martingale systems the whole shabang! But realize this out of 650 expert advisers in the last contest only 25 made a profit after 3 months. So the chance of finding a public domain one that works is very unlikely and no you wont find one on ebay that works either. However, learning about the mechanical systems is still part of the learning curve. Without it i would never understood the importance of money management and compounding. Compounding a working system is vital to reasonable gains both up and down to control lossy months.

Anyway i do have a few EA's that work but they are used for special occasions. I have a news trading one for NFP etc that sets traps and calculates probabilities. Then i have a few scalpers for when you know the market is dead and waiting for an event there is plenty of 5 and 10 pips to be found in a dead market but full time use will blow the account. Last not least weekly breakout trading is my core system right now. All the markets are trending thus it works very well. I set the trades sunday and close friday and manage the stops if required around mid week. Its a very simple system in fact i rarely watch the news, look at data, it has no dials or anything yet the last couple of years its proven to be the best of anything anywhere.:)
 
search for Nial Fuller or learntotradethemarket.com , this guy runs a free website and he trades for a living . good site for price action entires and how to view daily charts.
 
major reversal in 24hour period

========================================================

Forex is a wonderful world because it is one of only a few trading vehicles that tend to be systematic and predictable, if not in the short run of a day or two, but in its overall trend seeking manner.

One can make a VERY decent amount in forex, ONCE one has the experience and education as to how the markets move during a day, such as the two major reversal periods in any 24 hour period.

Like any other situation, there are those who will excel, those that will do competently and those who fall into the middle ground.




the reasons for the failure rate among new "traders" is usually overextension on the trading side and the resultant margin calls, or something I teach against constantly, the STOPLOSS, which is actually a great way of giving the broker your money --- someone recently posted of a huge spike that was propelled by no news that he could see. Well it "might" have been a rumor or news you couldnt see or it could have been "stop hunting" where mm's grab a huge gift of what they consider low priced shares, anticipating a run up later in the day, or 5 days down the road ---

but if one is asking the question then what happens in the market and rules the market is information that is WAY ahead of current experience levels and not very handy at this point.

YES, you can make money. YES, if you sit by your computer, flipping currencies every minute or so, it can be lonely and boring and your personality has to match as there's little room for conversation except really boring times, you can work with ONE screen as you gain experience, but with that experience will probably come the desire to have more, and only bragging rights will limit what you use (I use 3 but could do easily with 2 -- the more you have, up to some point, the easier it is to just "grab" information !

the market has a behavior pattern, since it is driven by humans ---- its HIGHLY dependent on support and resistance areas, and these are easily secured through availability of software and indicators available for the MT4 platform at no cost --- believe me, they work excellently !

as a last thought, although I work in the US, even my students earn 2000 pounds weekly, although its actually pretty simple to do that in a day of little effort by concentrating on the longer timeframes, setting a trade and walking away till the next day. In this manner, I make a consistent 2000 pounds daily, but of course Im working with a decent sized account at this point ! (given good money management, its the size of your equity (NO, not that other thing!) that limits or attains your profit size without placing you in danger !

people have spoken of money management, and its probably MORE important than the actual trading itself, because if you lose your equity you are now OUT of the ballgame, period and end of conversation !

Can you trade for a living --- ABSOLUTELY YES !
there is EVERY form of trading known to humans available in forex (as others also) and one can find a niche, perfect it and do rather sweetly without ever having to face another irritable boss, water cooler or commute -----

REMEMBER NOW -- along the way you might just wander into a relationship with one other or many others, chat during trading and handle some of the solitary nature of the job --- heck, one could even open an office and have real live peoples there and if youre alone, you can always send out for some company --- My personal favorites are the McGiver Sisters !

Working for myself is something ive done for 32 years and i wouldnt change for anything, but its not everyones cup of tea and that is one of the looks at yourself you have to take, but thats psychological and were talking about trading, so my answer has to be GO GET EM TIGER !!!!!

enjoy and trade well

mp


Hi sir
after reading your advice ;i can say it a good one but one thing draw my attention : what do you mean when you say"education as to how the markets move during a day, such as the two major reversal periods in any 24 hour period."please may you explain it deeply? i m realy interesting in it .to end ,what is major reversal periods in 24hour period ?
 
He's banned for being a con artist so can't reply.

There are other threads on this site about the no stoploss trading technique.
 
There are other threads on this site about the no stoploss suicide trading technique for those who are gamblers, fools or both.
 
If you are a person who trade for a living? & then, which forex broker are you using?
do you think there is any forex broker out there that is better than MB trading?
 
FX hunter, it's pretty clear you are advertising something.. and whilst we appreciate anything free, your still a tool for making it so obvious.
 
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