ProphetMax, Senen Pousa - any info?

[SonicSunburst]

This UK address is in fact just a stack of letter boxes...Google Earth

It would almost be easier to run a legitimate business I reckon.....

But more to the point, If we can perform this due diligence in a few hours using nothing but Google, makes you wonder what the internet marketing gurus Pousa & Dillard were up to.

 

[pboyles]

It would almost be easier to run a legitimate business I reckon.....

But more to the point, If we can perform this due diligence in a few hours using nothing but Google, makes you wonder what the internet marketing gurus Pousa & Dillard were up to.

It's not called due diligence if you do it after you've lost your money.

 

[JanFrance]

It's not called due diligence if you do it after you've lost your money.

Agreed, but most of the info was not available until once joined. And yes I got burnt, due to sheer ignorance. Lesson learned. Back to the bank for me..which is where I wanted out of to begin with.

 

[SonicSunburst]

It's not called due diligence if you do it after you've lost your money.

Pousa was very clever in how he ran this from what I know. Pay upfront for membership, jump through his hoops for a month, and only then do u even qualify to invest with this fine outfit.

I can imagine that by this stage people are so brainwashed they wouldn't even know how to spell "due dillegence".

 

[AngrySucker]

... If we can perform this due diligence in a few hours using nothing but Google, makes you wonder what the internet marketing gurus Pousa & Dillard were up to.

That is the point, Mike Dillard and Robert Hirsch could have easily done this due diligence as they have the resources. So they are either: Really Stupid and Unqualified, Lazy and Heard What They Wanted To Hear in order to Get Their Affiliate Commissions, or Totally In On it.

Either way, any smart person would drop out of the Elevation Group now.

 

[The Leopard]

Reading this thread, I'm absolutely flabbergasted. It's really hard to know what to say.

I did enjoy the alleged "lawyer" though - the content of his posts made very amusing reading.

 

[KrakatoaJack]

ANY trader worth his salt knows that you CUT losses you NEVER chase

 

[pboyles]

That is the point, Mike Dillard and Robert Hirsch could have easily done this due diligence as they have the resources. So they are either: Really Stupid and Unqualified, Lazy and Heard What They Wanted To Hear in order to Get Their Affiliate Commissions, or Totally In On it.

Either way, any smart person would drop out of the Elevation Group now.

Any of you could have done the due diligence, it wouldn't cost a penny. In fact even the application of common sense would have been enough. Anyone claiming they made 100% a year for 3 or 4 years is most likely a liar, if they did make 100% a year they wouldn't need to be running a get rich quick scheme with a bunch of Viagra salesmen and a 'global' broker based in a flat in Holland.

 

[KrakatoaJack]

Any of you could have done the due diligence, it wouldn't cost a penny. In fact even the application of common sense would have been enough. Anyone claiming they made 100% a year for 3 or 4 years is most likely a liar, if they did make 100% a year they wouldn't need to be running a get rich quick scheme with a bunch of Viagra salesmen and a 'global' broker based in a flat in Holland.

I tried to get as much DD as possible but getting anything on SPousa/ etc was tough and still is...

After several days I admit I flopped over to 'trusting' EVG

 

[AngrySucker]

I tried to get as much DD as possible but getting anything on SPousa/ etc was tough and still is...

After several days I admit I flopped over to 'trusting' EVG

Do not feel stupid, that is what everyone did. On the Facebook discussion Mike Dillard was adamant that folks stop asking questions and trust him and Robert Hirsch. You should find screen shots.

The people in this forum are more sophisticated and did know better, but the average person on the Elevation Group list did not. They joined to learn Mike Dillard's wealth strategies, and followed along. This makes Elevation Group responsible.

So, instead of trying to get your sign up fee and money back from Senen, I would get it back from Mike. They have the money and something to lose.

I would also ask Mike to disclose (with proof) how much he personally invested. I doubt much. In fact I doubt he invested even a fraction of what he earned in affiliate commissions.

 

[jinny]

Also, I believe that Mike should tell everyone what his "due diligence" was when he was confronted with much evidence that there was something not quite right about Senen's background. I provided many links that fostered suspicion but Mike deleted my posts from the EVG facebook page.
He answered me by saying that he would trust Senen with his life. How many people do you know that you would trust with your life.
He also indicated that he had been researching ProphetMax for about 6 months. Could he have not found out in 6 months what I was able to track down in a day or so.

 

[Lightning McQueen]

dillard is out the same mould as the rest of this ring, they are just mlm marketers selling each others products and services. they have no idea or a clue as to the products and services they are selling, nor do they care as long as mugs buy into it. this is quite clear judging from the heinz 57 mt4 fx broker you all sent your money.

it is also very clear that serious questions have to be asked of dillard and why he thought this a good service to sell out to his punters.

panama registrar

australian registrant

belize company partner

uk servers

new zealand po boxes

dutch funds

as i said, a right heinz 57

 

[Vorbis]

No. He has framed the scheme as a mental exercise. You give him all your money and then you are suppose to act like it doesn't matter. He calls it Zero-Point Consciousness.

Nearly choked on my beer when I read that one, Zero-Point Conscience more like.

Commiserations and Good Luck to all the victims in getting your cash back.

 

[Lightning McQueen]

Funds wired to Netherland I believe. Sole Director also based there;

Emade ECHADI
Dr Schaeplmanstraat 132, Haarlem
2032 GN, Netherlands

BTW, Emade is not the "founding director", directors were changed on 16th Dec 2011.

IB Capital is registered as an "Overseas Non-ASIC Company". Another address you can try for them is;

New Zealand Capital Finance
Eurofianzza Law Office
Level 5, 22 The Terrace
Wellington, 6011
New Zealand

Anyone interested can download a company extract from the NZ Companies Office website.

yes indeed you are right, i see my error on the founding part, i see the founder was director for 2 weeks , the founder indeed already been linked to in the thread. though i see that emade echadi also resigned start of may, leaving 2 companies as the only officers

DUTCH CAPITAL LTD
Date of Incorporation: 19/04/2012

WORLDWIDE VENTURE CAPITAL LTD
Date of Incorporation: 20/04/2012

emade echadi is director of both these companies.

 

[Atilla]

Nearly choked on my beer when I read that one, Zero-Point Conscience more like.

Commiserations and Good Luck to all the victims in getting your cash back.

People want to and sometimes need to believe. They really do.

Better to believe in Santa Clause or Tinker Bell than these bunch of mobsters.


If I had so much money scammed out of me - I would invest another £10K to find where they are track them down and exact some penalty. I will have to think about what or how but it will be double what I lost inclusive of expenses.

One needs to double the loss otherwise it is simply eye for an eye. It has to be eye for an eye + punishment so they are not likely want to do it again.


Letting law courts and jurisdictions accross multiple countries take care of it is pie in the sky.


Finally, I would also write a fictitious novel about it all and turn it into a best seller once I get locked up. Either outside or inside no matter. As long as no loss of life but only monies or assets take place the jail sentence is likely to be light and add to the volume of sales if done right.


Revenge can be sweet...

 

[KrakatoaJack]

Is Dillard doing a follow up con call ??

 

[Lightning McQueen]

hang about! companies house has ib capital as a dormant uk company, further checking reveals no money in bank and no assets, so then it was a shell with no assets as of 31/05/2011. good choice people :whistling

next accounts are due soon, so if they file them we'll see how bloated they've become as the counter party to kevin the mellon's trades.

 

[JanFrance]

hang about! companies house has ib capital as a dormant uk company, further checking reveals no money in bank and no assets, so then it was a shell with no assets as of 31/05/2011. good choice people

Please can you explain what this translates to for someone like me who wants to withdraw my funds. Do I take it that the money everyone put in, is not where it should be?
Please excuse my ignorance, very new to all this 'game'

 

[Lightning McQueen]

Please can you explain what this translates to for someone like me who wants to withdraw my funds. Do I take it that the money everyone put in, is not where it should be?
Please excuse my ignorance, very new to all this 'game'

all i'm trying to do is piece together the lineage of the company services that were sold to you, that is all.

you will likely only find out if the money is where it should be if you go try withdraw what's left your funds. if that is what you wish to do, then go do it. good luck

 

[jinny]

Not looking too zen in this picture Senen!

senenpousa @ Ustream.TV - . Free .TV shows, LIVE Video Chat Rooms.

I guess this one just didn't pan out.

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