Days To Forget

Has anyone had a successful career trading cars? My first two cars I bought new and suffered about 40% depreciation. Third car was second hand, so no VAT payable, but the depreciation is probably going to be worse as I've kept it five years now.

Well at that time, that model and spec was selling for about £14k so I was confident that I could make some sort of money on it. In hindsight that should have rang alarm bells. It still amazes me how genuine it looked, I even picked up the car from the registered address (of the real car, not the cloned car that I bought!).
 
lease - if you can get the tax break on it anyway.

The biggest advantage of that (other than not having to outlay the money) is that you fix your loss to a predetermined amount for the duration.... Makes a lot of sense, since there can be no nasty surprises.
 
Yep. Factor your monthly depn and repairs into the buy and the any premium paid by way of economic cost of lease is not too bad in most cases esp when you consider warranties, no nasty surprises, a shiny new car etc as you say. I'd never do it unless I could get at least some tax break like the prop guys though.
 
back on topic... sometimes I wish I'd never considered attempting to trade. If I had to pick a worst day it would be the day I decided to learn more about trading. Ignorance = bliss etc etc
 
back on topic... sometimes I wish I'd never considered attempting to trade. If I had to pick a worst day it would be the day I decided to learn more about trading. Ignorance = bliss etc etc
no point...I believe all of us are into trading as our mindset is set to tolerate risk - and we get a kick out of it..If we didnt trade financial markets, we'd play something else!

Just the way we are...

Although trading is not gambling, you'll find that most traders would at least entertain/understand a game of poker/blackjack etc...whereas those that cant stand gamblng, most likely dont touch financial markets either
 
I thought I disagreed with that post on the basis of my own personal extreme risk aversion. After re-reading and a bit of contemplation I realised that I am always willing to accept risk so long as I understand it. Suppose that's different to being non-tolerant.
 
no point...I believe all of us are into trading as our mindset is set to tolerate risk - and we get a kick out of it..If we didnt trade financial markets, we'd play something else!

Just the way we are...

Yes, I started horse-race betting around the age of 17 (nearly 18, but people weren't quite so hot on checking ages in those days), for a brief period (although I'd studied form etc for a lot longer). I could see the way it was going and stopped, and vowed never to do it again, which I never have. I knew I had it in me to be a compulsive gambler.


Although trading is not gambling, you'll find that most traders would at least entertain/understand a game of poker/blackjack etc...whereas those that cant stand gamblng, most likely dont touch financial markets either

True. I used to be very into card-games and working out the odds. Haven't played much for money, except for a period around 20-21, when I got into a "Nap" school at a pub (a rough estate pub :) in an area the taxi-drivers called "Dodge City" ). Don't laugh - these guys took it seriously, even if it was only for pennies and shillings (but I bet some real money changed hands sometimes). Nap, at least the way they played it was a bit like a cross between poker and whist. I soon saw that I was outclassed in both playing cards and fighting, so I gave it up, and stuck to drinking, smoking, and letching :)

Modern poker, especially online poker, has never appealed. I do like the idea of perhaps playing Bridge for small stakes. Seems a bit more refined and intellectual :)


Car trading: I was introduced by my son a few years ago to the world of car auctions. If you've never seen one, it's worth it for the entertainment value. If you knew what you were doing, I reckon that might be the way to go to pick up bargains and sell on at a profit.


Cars don't really interest me as such. I just need something reliable for occasional long trips and trips to the tip. I like the idea of buying good second-hand when it's already taken a depreciation hit and there's no VAT, do any minor jobs needed, and run it for several years hopefully trouble-free, and sell it while it's still a going concern. I think you can do this ok if you pay, say, up to 3-4k, probably a lot less if you really know what you are doing - which I don't, but I get someone who does to advise me.

A friend of my daughter's bought an old Mercedes estate for about £300 from Ebay, and he lent it to her. For reasons which vaguely escape me, it's actually sitting on our drive now, even though she lives 60 miles away. The quid pro quo is that I'm allowed to drive it, which I quite liked once I got used to the automatic gears and the huge size, although I do worry sometimes about being taken for a drug-dealer.
 
dropped 15k in 10 seconds chasing market around like a greasy chicken over an ecb press conference, was about 20k down on the month anyway and close to a mental breakdown...

and then had to get back straight away to "teaching" my grads, both of whom were **** traders, and one of whom was positively retarded, for a few hours constantly thinking to myself that was 6 month's food + rent down the drain....
 
Back a few years ago when I was still a fairly new trader I went short 2 ES contracts at about 11am GMT one morning. It was a level bounce play and I had a 12 tick stop ($300 on the 2 lot).

Unfortunately I was using a ladder plug in software for IB called zeroline trader- its was good software but they had updated the software the day before and there was a bug or something.. my stop order was put into IB as 'only trigger during normal market hours'

So the FED make an emergency rate cut at 12noon. I am away from computer making a sandwich. I get back my stop has not triggered and I am $700 down... $800.. $900..

I stand there frozen thinking its a mistake and I must be out. By the time I realise my stop is still in and I haven't been taken out I am down about $1800. Then by the grace of god it starts dropping, and hard.

Back to about breakeven, did I get out? NOPE.

Spooz ends the day massively green. I finally do the right thing and get out at the US close. I take somewhere around $3500 hit on a $9k account in a trade which was supposed to be a 12 tick scalp.

Great.. back to the simulator for 2 months.. :D
 
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Although trading is not gambling, you'll find that most traders would at least entertain/understand a game of poker/blackjack etc...whereas those that cant stand gamblng, most likely dont touch financial markets either

I used to punt decent size on sports betting, a £10k up or down football match was not unusual. And then I thought - what the f---.. I'm crossing huge bid/ask and I don't have a clue what I'm doing, so I stopped.

I haven't bet on sports since (8 years now) because it doesn't do anything for me. I also have no urge to go to a casino, because as we all know, we've got negative expectancy there.

So whilst I do find games of chance interesting, unless I feel as though I have a system which could make me money or I believe I have an ***edge***, I'll leave it well alone. I'll get my kicks elsewhere.
 
The worst day I remember wasn't actually a losing day but it was a horrible day nonetheless because I realised my "edge" no longer worked.

I can't remember the date but it must have been sometime in 2005.

I used to watch the ticker all day long when I was at work and one day I noticed erratic spiking in WTI.

WTI would be be ticking away like this:

50.00
50.01
50.02
50.01
50.02
50.65
50.02

When I saw it the first time I thought I was seeing things.

I pulled up a quote to get a better look and then realised that the broker had offered a 3 second price guarantee of the price you pulled up. Because the spikes were so fast this meant that I could make 100% sure that the trade was profitable (i.e. mean reverting) before I entered.

As I was a relative newbie to spreadbetting I didn't realise that this was a data error combined with a platform flaw and not how the real market moved but nonetheless it was immediately clear that there was a huge opportunity to clean up.

I didn't have much money but I deposited some funds and started hitting market.

Well it went on like this with me winning trade after trade. It was a period that I will never forget as long as I live.

I started making hundreds of pounds in trades that were open for seconds. I could then repeat this constantly throughout the day.

Well, after a while, I became so accustomed to this that I got rather disgruntled when I realised that the broker had taken away the 3 second price guarantee.

However, by this stage, I no longer needed it since over hundreds of trades the pattern of price movement was extremely clear. So I continued on my merry way.

To cut a long story short (ish), eventually, I think someone started cottoning onto things at the broker because the next thing I knew, someone had thrown a massive spanner in the works and added a time expiry and a new quote time delay into the system.

That meant that when you pulled up a quote, it expired in a few seconds and you couldn't pull up another quote for around 30 seconds. Well this all but eliminated me as I needed a constantly open quote box to take advantage of the feed.

I cannot remember for the life of me how I got around this but I know I did because I remember the end and it came much later.

The end came one day in France where I was spending my whole day in an internet cafe because I couldn't bear to be sitting on a beach when there a broker handing out free money.

On the second or third day in I realised there was no more spiking and I actually emailed a dealer to ask what was going on and why the volatility had died.

He told me in no uncertain terms that he was aware of what had been happening and that because of it, they had switched to a price feed from the e-mini.

I remember being distraught because I had honestly never imagined such a good thing would come to an end.

I've always got over setbacks really quickly. So, after a few days of wondering what I would do next, I started opening accounts with numerous brokers and spent days and days monitoring tickers across large volumes of assets until I found the next opportuntiy...

In actual fact, this time I had to "recruit" some people from T2W and bring them in on it, in return for their monitoring price feeds around the clock for me...they were some great times.

We bought Coffee at zero...took around seven hundred points out of the kiwi once in a few minutes...ahh the good old days!
 
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The worst day I remember wasn't actually a losing day but it was a horrible day nonetheless because I realised my "edge" no longer worked.

I can't remember the date but it must have been sometime in 2005.

I used to watch the ticker all day long when I was at work and one day I noticed erratic spiking in WTI.

WTI would be be ticking away like this:

50.00
50.01
50.02
50.01
50.02
50.65
50.02

When I saw it the first time I thought I was seeing things.

I pulled up a quote to get a better look and then realised that the broker had offered a 3 second price guarantee of the price you pulled up. Because the spikes were so fast this meant that I could make 100% sure that the trade was profitable (i.e. mean reverting) before I entered.

As I was a relative newbie to spreadbetting I didn't realise that this was a data error combined with a platform flaw and not how the real market moved but nonetheless it was immediately clear that there was a huge opportunity to clean up.

I didn't have much money but I deposited some funds and started hitting market.

Well it went on like this with me winning trade after trade. It was a period that I will never forget as long as I live.

I started making hundreds of pounds in trades that were open for seconds. I could then repeat this constantly throughout the day.

Well, after a while, I became so accustomed to this that I got rather disgruntled when I realised that the broker had taken away the 3 second price guarantee.

However, by this stage, I no longer needed it since over hundreds of trades the pattern of price movement was extremely clear. So I continued on my merry way.

To cut a long story short (ish), eventually, I think someone started cottoning onto things at the broker because the next thing I knew, someone had thrown a massive spanner in the works and added a time expiry and a new quote time delay into the system.

That meant that when you pulled up a quote, it expired in a few seconds and you couldn't pull up another quote for around 30 seconds. Well this all but eliminated me as I needed a constantly open quote box to take advantage of the feed.

I cannot remember for the life of me how I got around this but I know I did because I remember the end and it came much later.

The end came one day in France where I was spending my whole day in an internet cafe because I couldn't bear to be sitting on a beach when there a broker handing out free money.

On the second or third day in I realised there was no more spiking and I actually emailed a dealer to ask what was going on and why the volatility had died.

He told me in no uncertain terms that he was aware of what had been happening and that because of it, they had switched to a price feed from the e-mini.

I remember being distraught because I had honestly never imagined such a good thing would come to an end.

I've always got over setbacks really quickly. So, after a few days of wondering what I would do next, I started opening accounts with numerous brokers and spent days and days monitoring tickers across large volumes of assets until I found the next opportuntiy...

In actual fact, this time I had to "recruit" some people from T2W and bring them in on it, in return for their monitoring price feeds around the clock for me...they were some great times.

We bought Coffee at zero...took around seven hundred points out of the kiwi once in a few minutes...ahh the good old days!

Why hadn't the first broker just banned you?
 
no point...I believe all of us are into trading as our mindset is set to tolerate risk - and we get a kick out of it..If we didnt trade financial markets, we'd play something else!

Just the way we are...

Although trading is not gambling, you'll find that most traders would at least entertain/understand a game of poker/blackjack etc...whereas those that cant stand gamblng, most likely dont touch financial markets either

Strange that, I don't bet on anything other than the markets, even at the match I don't do first player to score etc. Never been interested in gambling, always been interested in the markets/investing since economics A level days..
 
lol i got all hot n' bothered when i thought i could go long or short a particular UK stock with a guaranteed stop loss and then bank at the market open gap.... then i asked how much extra the spread would be

:O
 
Hi,

Just wondering if anyone can share the worst day the had trading? What went wrong and how or if you recovered threw in the towel or reached new heights?

Every single day I tried to trade on either:
1. my gut/instinct
2. using purely technical analysis
Without fail, every single trade would be a loser.

But that's the cost of my education I guess.
 
The worst day I remember wasn't actually a losing day but it was a horrible day nonetheless because I realised my "edge" no longer worked.

I can't remember the date but it must have been sometime in 2005.

I used to watch the ticker all day long when I was at work and one day I noticed erratic spiking in WTI.

WTI would be be ticking away like this:

50.00
50.01
50.02
50.01
50.02
50.65
50.02

When I saw it the first time I thought I was seeing things.

I pulled up a quote to get a better look and then realised that the broker had offered a 3 second price guarantee of the price you pulled up. Because the spikes were so fast this meant that I could make 100% sure that the trade was profitable (i.e. mean reverting) before I entered.

As I was a relative newbie to spreadbetting I didn't realise that this was a data error combined with a platform flaw and not how the real market moved but nonetheless it was immediately clear that there was a huge opportunity to clean up.

I didn't have much money but I deposited some funds and started hitting market.

Well it went on like this with me winning trade after trade. It was a period that I will never forget as long as I live.

I started making hundreds of pounds in trades that were open for seconds. I could then repeat this constantly throughout the day.

Well, after a while, I became so accustomed to this that I got rather disgruntled when I realised that the broker had taken away the 3 second price guarantee.

However, by this stage, I no longer needed it since over hundreds of trades the pattern of price movement was extremely clear. So I continued on my merry way.

To cut a long story short (ish), eventually, I think someone started cottoning onto things at the broker because the next thing I knew, someone had thrown a massive spanner in the works and added a time expiry and a new quote time delay into the system.

That meant that when you pulled up a quote, it expired in a few seconds and you couldn't pull up another quote for around 30 seconds. Well this all but eliminated me as I needed a constantly open quote box to take advantage of the feed.

I cannot remember for the life of me how I got around this but I know I did because I remember the end and it came much later.

The end came one day in France where I was spending my whole day in an internet cafe because I couldn't bear to be sitting on a beach when there a broker handing out free money.

On the second or third day in I realised there was no more spiking and I actually emailed a dealer to ask what was going on and why the volatility had died.

He told me in no uncertain terms that he was aware of what had been happening and that because of it, they had switched to a price feed from the e-mini.

I remember being distraught because I had honestly never imagined such a good thing would come to an end.

I've always got over setbacks really quickly. So, after a few days of wondering what I would do next, I started opening accounts with numerous brokers and spent days and days monitoring tickers across large volumes of assets until I found the next opportuntiy...

In actual fact, this time I had to "recruit" some people from T2W and bring them in on it, in return for their monitoring price feeds around the clock for me...they were some great times.

We bought Coffee at zero...took around seven hundred points out of the kiwi once in a few minutes...ahh the good old days!
I have also shared your feelings. Made so much money like this. I remember with the 4 second valid quotes, I had become such an expert that I'd request a quote 2 seconds before economic datas so when the data came out and markets moved, I had a pre-data price!!

Another opportunity I noticed were major price differences between stocks (futures prices) as some brokers would factor in dividends later than others. So would long with one, short the other until one of them readjusted....

Also there were brokers who were generally slow and their prices would spike, that one could take advantage by sitting by the screen.

Slowly all these opportunities evaporated (by 2007/2008). Maybe if one really wanted, could still find something as there are so many new brokers/spreadbetters but probably will be alot more difficult with improved technology/systems etc
 
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