Christian Traders interested in what I am doing

[A Dashing Blade]

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Like the guy asking for hurst index that is not relevant to your future moves and mistakes . . .

Perhaps not. But it is relevent to your claimed knowledge of chaos mathematics ie if you can't provide the number we must deduce that you don't know what you're talking about.

And if you don't know what you're talking about then we can go on to deduce that it is you who is the snake oil salesman.

 

[TheBramble]

Just take my call and stop fooling yourself and digging for past records that has been cleaned by the Blood of Jesus

Pity the magistrates and SWABOU didn’t feel your past record had been cleaned by the blood of Jesus.

They still seemed to feel you owed them the money.

 

[fcta]

Perhaps not. But it is relevent to your claimed knowledge of chaos mathematics ie if you can't provide the number we must deduce that you don't know what you're talking about.

And if you don't know what you're talking about then we can go on to deduce that it is you who is the snake oil salesman.

Not again! I always beg people to be careful not to disgrace themselves or their profession or field. Only zigglewigler knows and cleverly dodge the issue or measurement of error. Now what is your profession or background.

Chaos is not about mathematics and so is fractal. But Mathematics is only a way of looking at chaos and fractals. Don't go on and start disgracing yourself on this. It is like saying actions or behaviours is mathematics.

But mathematical ways could be very wrong as we have seen from the way you are insisting on numbers now.

Example. Please read previous thread on GammarJammar as market mover. If he move market at a wrong time scale (we have fractals of time as well) you want to know whether that decision is rational or not. You do not need mathematical index to see that his action does not correspond to Genesis 8:22. Why? as at the time he is executing his irrational decision there will be no data to calculate the mathematical index.

Data will only be available after the event. That is why mathematical index are late, lagging and useless to know whether market movers are right or wrong.

Let me lecture you a bit on factals. Fractal is a scale in space to observe events. It has nothing to do with fixed number or index as 1 or 2. Time have fractal, also behaviours have fractals, you find fractals in almost everything and matter that occupies space.

Market cycles have fractals as well, a cycle is also a fractal depending on scale. the earth is a fractal of the solar system, solar system is a fractal of Milky-way . Do you want me to go on? It is God's way of arranging things in the universe

Isaiah 40:15
Surely the nations are like a drop in a bucket;
they are regarded as dust on the scales;
he weighs the islands as though they were fine dust.

You can view such statment as fractal as well. It means nations when view from heaven above are like dot or fractal on a map at that level. Every matter has space it occupied. So when you speak of fractal index, it totally does not fit in for something that actually have space defined by boundaries (See Proverbs 8:29) all matter also have time it supposed to last. Thus, time too have fractals with boundaries. In all of these descriptions all I need is the space/time matter or event will occur.

If I want to find out whether GammarJammar is righteous in his actions of moving prices, i simply draw out the map/space/limits he can do this, if he is greedy and try to move markets beyond the space and time allow for it. I simply ignore such action as
unrighteous or irrational. I do not need 1 or 2 index to know he is right or wrong.

If he is right I follow, if he s wrong I stay away and let him do what he wants with his greed.

I don't want to answer you on this again, unless you want to ridicule your displine, like so many people have done here. Maths cannot be used for future events. Event must happened before you have data to feed into your equation.


As for the person asking for S&P before he follows; it is not about forecasting the future so that you don't go and hedge it, It is about whether actions of participants are right or wrong. Do you want to hedge S$P 500 with dow?. Will you allow me to rob my snake oil on your face?:cheesy:

Bye it is weekend no more replies bye for now

 

[zupcon]

694 words, and 3683 characters to avoid answering a simple question, the answer to which is numeric, and lies in the range 0 to 1

Draw your own conclusions

 

[Claudia123]

Not again! I always beg people to be careful not to disgrace themselves or their profession or field. Only zigglewigler knows and cleverly dodge the issue or measurement of error. Now what is your profession or background.

Chaos is not about mathematics and so is fractal. But Mathematics is only a way of looking at chaos and fractals. Don't go on and start disgracing yourself on this. It is like saying actions or behaviours is mathematics.

But mathematical ways could be very wrong as we have seen from the way you are insisting on numbers now.

Example. Please read previous thread on GammarJammar as market mover. If he move market at a wrong time scale (we have fractals of time as well) you want to know whether that decision is rational or not. You do not need mathematical index to see that his action does not correspond to Genesis 8:22. Why? as at the time he is executing his irrational decision there will be no data to calculate the mathematical index.

Data will only be available after the event. That is why mathematical index are late, lagging and useless to know whether market movers are right or wrong.

Let me lecture you a bit on factals. Fractal is a scale in space to observe events. It has nothing to do with fixed number or index as 1 or 2. Time have fractal, also behaviours have fractals, you find fractals in almost everything and matter that occupies space.

Market cycles have fractals as well, a cycle is also a fractal depending on scale. the earth is a fractal of the solar system, solar system is a fractal of Milky-way . Do you want me to go on? It is God's way of arranging things in the universe

Isaiah 40:15
Surely the nations are like a drop in a bucket;
they are regarded as dust on the scales;
he weighs the islands as though they were fine dust.

You can view such statment as fractal as well. It means nations when view from heaven above are like dot or fractal on a map at that level. Every matter has space it occupied. So when you speak of fractal index, it totally does not fit in for something that actually have space defined by boundaries (See Proverbs 8:29) all matter also have time it supposed to last. Thus, time too have fractals with boundaries. In all of these descriptions all I need is the space/time matter or event will occur.

If I want to find out whether GammarJammar is righteous in his actions of moving prices, i simply draw out the map/space/limits he can do this, if he is greedy and try to move markets beyond the space and time allow for it. I simply ignore such action as
unrighteous or irrational. I do not need 1 or 2 index to know he is right or wrong.

If he is right I follow, if he s wrong I stay away and let him do what he wants with his greed.

I don't want to answer you on this again, unless you want to ridicule your displine, like so many people have done here. Maths cannot be used for future events. Event must happened before you have data to feed into your equation.


As for the person asking for S&P before he follows; it is not about forecasting the future so that you don't go and hedge it, It is about whether actions of participants are right or wrong. Do you want to hedge S$P 500 with dow?. Will you allow me to rob my snake oil on your face?:cheesy:

Bye it is weekend no more replies bye for now

Bye bye - and you very rarely answer questions but you do reply. Could you please answer (not reply) what Bramble means about SWBOU please?. As a religious person you should tell us all and have nothing to hide is that not correct?

 

[TheBramble]

Bye bye - and you very rarely answer questions but you do reply. Could you please answer (not reply) what Bramble means about SWBOU please?. As a religious person you should tell us all and have nothing to hide is that not correct?

Claudia, I’ll answer for Daniel as he will respond, but it wont be a reply…

He is saying he had (past tense) a lot to hide, but Jesus went and died for him, before he did the things he has to hide, which means he doesn’t have to hide them because Jesus died for him. And probably a few others too.

On that basis, if you’re religious, you can carry on doing stuff that you’d ordinarily want to hide because Jesus just goes on dying and using his blood for cleaning fluid on all that sh!t you stir up. It’s a bit like a ‘carry on sinning’ ticket. I’m almost convinced I want to be really religious too so I can get away with bad stuff and not feel bad about it. The only thing that stops me is that I don’t currently have any further capacity for delusional tendencies as I’m pretty much at max Barking point myself.

The thing is, while pretending to be a religious nutter may make you think you don’t have any debts and responsibilities, in the secular world where reality nibbles your nuts on a daily (if not more frequent) basis, he’ll find the rest of the planet do care about what he’s done and what he owes.

The only real difference to the end result will be the class of containment in which he’ll end up.

 

[Claudia123]

Claudia, I’ll answer for Daniel as he will respond, but it wont be a reply…

He is saying he had (past tense) a lot to hide, but Jesus went and died for him, before he did the things he has to hide, which means he doesn’t have to hide them because Jesus died for him. And probably a few others too.

On that basis, if you’re religious, you can carry on doing stuff that you’d ordinarily want to hide because Jesus just goes on dying and using his blood for cleaning fluid on all that sh!t you stir up. It’s a bit like a ‘carry on sinning’ ticket. I’m almost convinced I want to be really religious too so I can get away with bad stuff and not feel bad about it. The only thing that stops me is that I don’t currently have any further capacity for delusional tendencies as I’m pretty much at max Barking point myself.

The thing is, while pretending to be a religious nutter may make you think you don’t have any debts and responsibilities, in the secular world where reality nibbles your nuts on a daily (if not more frequent) basis, he’ll find the rest of the planet do care about what he’s done and what he owes.

The only real difference to the end result will be the class of containment in which he’ll end up.

Wow. Lets see what he has to say. Arabians comments should be good ! I off now have good weekend and thanks for the replies.

 

[TheBramble]

Wow. Lets see what he has to say. Arabians comments should be good ! I off now have good weekend and thanks for the replies.

Arabian is a fornicator and an abomination in the eyes of the Lord and his words are straight from the Devil’s Bottom. (or whatever other East End pub he’s cruising tonight….)

 

[Trader333]

On that basis, if you’re religious, you can carry on doing stuff that you’d ordinarily want to hide because Jesus just goes on dying and using his blood for cleaning fluid on all that sh!t you stir up. It’s a bit like a ‘carry on sinning’ ticket.

Tony,

I have studied many religions over the years and Christian doctrine does not permit this. It is only if you have repented of your past and consistently try to not repeat it that the above would apply. This is why there was a great emphasis on hypocrisy in the teachings of Jesus, ie you may go around saying that you are Christian but by your fruits you will be known. If the intention is to pretend to have changed but in reality you haven't then as stated in the teachings "those sins are retained"


Paul

 

[zigglewigler]

fcta

Ah yes, the entire body of mathematics and probability studies are all wrong because you have a bible and use it like a weapon.

I think I now understand your problem. It isn't that you are simply devout, but that you are also damaged psychologically, although I expect you'll declare that body of science as heresy or nonsense, along with Tom Cruise.

I suspect some sort of childhood trauma occured. Mixing in ecclesiastical circles might have laid you open to mischief by those christians that were meant to protect you. The clergy are statistically more immoral in their conduct.

See a psychologist, with regression therapy (and no, that's not related to linear regression) he can help you find the cause of your extreme passive-aggressive personality.

You see, you hide your pain behind the bible, this is why all questioning has been so threatening to you. I find you a little tragic and pathetic, but it's not your fault.

There is still hope for you. Not much, but some.

I have also just noticed something revealing about you, your username is the phonetic pronunciation of the word 'f*cked', were you subconsciously trying to tell the world something about yourself?

I wonder.

fcta'up, you should really give my earlier post some consideration.

You need to develop the courage to look inside yourself. The voice you hear is not God, but your subconscious trying to get out.

Now, have you done your homework yet? I gave you very clear instructions on how to educate yourself as regards linear regression, and how standard errors are calculated.

Report back to me when you are a little less ignorant.

One for you take this w/end:

How do you circumcise a priest?

Kick the alter boy in the back of the head.

Here's an example of the self righteous: http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/06/12...-boy-anatomy-lessons’-said-paedophile-priest/

 

[TheBramble]

Paul, I ‘enjoyed’ a christian upbringing and education (small ‘c’ deliberate and purposeful) and decided before reaching my teens there was something quite out of whack with it. So I speak from personal experience and not just study when I say that the power of confession and absolution requires only a ‘true repentance’ at the time for the last tranche of sins. As soon as you’ve got that lot off the slate with 10 Hail Marys and 5 Our Fathers you can pretty much recommence the cycle of sinning-confession-repentance-absolution with gay abandon.

The ‘consistently try not to repeat’ as a part of the process is quite correct. Note the word ‘consistently’ i.e. it’s assumed to be an on-going ‘struggle’. Religions like us to think we’re struggling – fighting the devil. In order to ensure we never quite succeed most Christian faiths allow a fairly wide latitude in the application of the word ‘try’. They’d have to or they would have lost their flock far more quickly.

You have to be delusional to believe in any of the organised religions the first place, so having crossed that bridge, it’s a breeze to continue to apply similarly irrational thought processes to just about everything else in its orbit.

 

[Mr. Charts]

"As soon as you’ve got that lot off the slate with 10 Hail Marys and 5 Our Fathers you can pretty much recommence the cycle of sinning-confession-repentance-absolution with gay abandon."

Now that explains a lot..........

 

[TheBramble]

They were Jesuits Richard....OK? I'm not proud. Just sore....

 

[arabianights]

Arabian is a fornicator and an abomination in the eyes of the Lord and his words are straight from the Devil’s Bottom. (or whatever other East End pub he’s cruising tonight….)

ouch

 

[Splitlink]

Paul, I ‘enjoyed’ a christian upbringing and education (small ‘c’ deliberate and purposeful) and decided before reaching my teens there was something quite out of whack with it. So I speak from personal experience and not just study when I say that the power of confession and absolution requires only a ‘true repentance’ at the time for the last tranche of sins. As soon as you’ve got that lot off the slate with 10 Hail Marys and 5 Our Fathers you can pretty much recommence the cycle of sinning-confession-repentance-absolution with gay abandon.

The ‘consistently try not to repeat’ as a part of the process is quite correct. Note the word ‘consistently’ i.e. it’s assumed to be an on-going ‘struggle’. Religions like us to think we’re struggling – fighting the devil. In order to ensure we never quite succeed most Christian faiths allow a fairly wide latitude in the application of the word ‘try’. They’d have to or they would have lost their flock far more quickly.

You have to be delusional to believe in any of the organised religions the first place, so having crossed that bridge, it’s a breeze to continue to apply similarly irrational thought processes to just about everything else in its orbit.

That's, pretty much, the way I take things. Organised religion is just as bad as organised crime and organised politics. Where someone is in the position of telling us what to do, make no mistake, we are getting screwed.

That does not mean that a person should not come to some conclusion for himself. If he does not believe----good. If he does---good, too. I could not care less, but the way I see things is that, if you believe that what the politicians are doing to you is good, then you need a second opinion!

We have had 100 years of good testament as to what communists and socialists have as an alternative philosophy.

No, thanks.

I'll go my own way and believe what I want in the sure knowledge that what everyone else believes, that is different to me, is, usually, a load of crap. Once a person starts trying to convince others, human nature being what it is, I begin to wonder what is in it for him.

 

[GammaJammer]

All this does rather cloud over the ONE SINGLE USEFUL, RELEVANT NUGGET of actual market related knowledge that one could genuinely take away from this debate, and that is the markets are 'somewhat' fractal in nature, particularly with resect to time.

That is, one can often see patterns repeated at various timescale resolutions. BUT, that isn't enough to make a whole, bible based system out of it just because one verse in the bible VAGUELY relates to it. See that's what drives me and so many otehrs nuts about evangelists - they twist the vague words to say anything. Doesn't matter mate - you'll never give this website something hard and concise enough to actually pin on you to say whether you have the first clue about the subject matter.

If all you had done was come on the thread, straight away quoted the most relevant passages from the bible that alluded, albeit vaguely, to the fractal nature of markets, and then backed that up with some hard examples, I actually think the thread would have been wildly successful. But you chose to go anotehr way, and here are the consequences. T2W members have a pretty low bullsh*t tolerance and you're churning it out like it's going out of fashion. You've been give ample opportunities to ease back and have taken none of them.

You keep alluding to my statem,nt about moving markets. I only said it t prove specifically you didn't know what you were talking about (when you said that no-one moved markets). It's not that I like moving them, or get some kick out of it, ego massage, that kinda thing. Quite the opposite. When the price goes away from me more often than not I've failed in what I was trying to do, or have drastically misjudged the available liquidity to do a certain transaction. But make no mistake sometimes it does move as a direct result of one person's trading. It's just that in FX that needs a pretty chunky trade.

 

[zigglewigler]

That does not mean that a person should not come to some conclusion for himself. If he does not believe----good. If he does---good, too.

There's a problem with that, you can spend a lifetime believing what you like, and those beliefs will not be challenged, but in the markets that's the first thing to get hit.

That's why beliefs, opinions, superstitions aren't worth diddly when a trader.

I as a grown man could believe that Father Christmas exists, people might think me weird, but Tom Cruise and fellow scientologists survive. Nothing in the 'real' world forces anyone to question their beliefs, hence why the world is full of deluded nutters, they have that freedom.

But for traders, the reality presented by the market will destroy a trader and his beliefs, without need for debate either.

 

[Splitlink]

There's a problem with that, you can spend a lifetime believing what you like, and those beliefs will not be challenged, but in the markets that's the first thing to get hit.

That's why beliefs, opinions, superstitions aren't worth diddly when a trader.

I as a grown man could believe that Father Christmas exists, people might think me weird, but Tom Cruise and fellow scientologists survive. Nothing in the 'real' world forces anyone to question their beliefs, hence why the world is full of deluded nutters, they have that freedom.

But for traders, the reality presented by the market will destroy a trader and his beliefs, without need for debate either.

What I meant by what you quoted is that each one of us has to think things out for himself. My personal beliefs are that God is not interested in our financial affairs. That is why I disagree with fcta's philisophy. Who is right doesn't matter. I will leave him to get on with it, he has his life to figure out for himself. What I would like is that those who could be convinced by what he says stand back and think a bit for themselves and, if they come to a conclusion, leave others to their own.

 

[Claudia123]

FCTA i need either wine intervention or divine intervention when the Asian markets open. Stuck in a short trade on cable over the weekend I forgot to close as was too busy laughing at this thread. Pray for me Bramble

 

[Splitlink]

FCTA i need either wine intervention or divine intervention when the Asian markets open. Stuck in a short trade on cable over the weekend I forgot to close as was too busy laughing at this thread. Pray for me Bramble

There was an American preacher call N.M.Peale who, when asked by someone on how to solve his problems, took him to the graveyard and said "All the people, here, have no problems so you go back home, kneel by your bed and pray to God to send you one"

Claudia, if you have a problem with cable I know that you are ok and will be here with us, richer or poorer, next week!

BTW, it's ok to ask Bramble to pray but I wouldn't ask fcta without good references because I'm not sure how much influence he has with the Powers That Be.