How can T2W better serve its community?

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Old Aug 6, 2014, 10:52pm   #16
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- Are the 'penniless trolls, spammers, scammers and snipers' a big enough problem on the regular forums to warrant it?
Ask yourself, of all the new content posted today, how much of it has added anything to the sum total of genuine trading members' knowledge? When you compare what's happening today to say 8 years, or even 4 or even just 2 years ago - quality has dropped off the cliff. I'm only comparing a few posts from here and there to more recent stuff since I joined, but ask any of the old-timers - what few remain - if they find it the same place. Paying even a token amount is a commitment and sufficient in my view to set a tone and mode which would have an extremely positive impact not just on vibe, but content too.

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- Would non-paying members still have the ability to view the content, although not participate?
Well of course! Many would stand on the sidelines as they do now, but for the more committed, the chance to interact with the good and the great would be an opportunity not to be missed and they'd have no hesitation in joining the happy throng.


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- What impact would this have on discussion in the 'public' forums, which would then serve as a 'feeder' into the 'premium' forums?
What do you care? The forums are all but dead anyway which is why I suspect you're asking the question you are by starting this thread. Anything which promotes sensible, polite and experienced debate has got to be a good thing. Plus I don't imagine you and Steve would be unhappy with the prospect of additional revenue from this stream.


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- How to solve the chicken and egg, problem of members paying for access to quality content that isn't there yet?
The reason the private forums foundered is that the audience was never invited. It was all on recommendation and personal networking. I am fairly certain if you were to invite your own personal top-10 members from the past to participate in an open discussion on any trading topic where they would be free from the collective dross, the respectful circle round that campfire would grow exponentially.

Nobody knew they wanted any premium brand until they were (a) told it was premium and (b) sampled the goods.
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Old Aug 6, 2014, 11:26pm   #17
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The reason the private forums foundered is that the audience was never invited
That was certainly not the case with some of the forums and some had a large membership but when key characters decided not to contribute any more (which was not down to trolling as forum leaders could expel them) then the content stopped as well.
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 5:06am   #18
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That was certainly not the case with some of the forums and some had a large membership but when key characters decided not to contribute any more (which was not down to trolling as forum leaders could expel them) then the content stopped as well.
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 5:46am   #19
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That was certainly not the case with some of the forums and some had a large membership but when key characters decided not to contribute any more (which was not down to trolling as forum leaders could expel them) then the content stopped as well.
Which leads us on to why the content dry's up from those sufficiently knowledgeable and able to provide it. After a while, they realise that there's just no upside in sharing and educating others ( think bbmac ), and especially when nothing comes back in return.

Collaborations on the other hand are a different matter....they can be very fruitful but usually very small numbers of people involved. 2 or 3 people.
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 6:25am   #20
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Which leads us on to why the content dry's up from those sufficiently knowledgeable and able to provide it.
Which is exactly the question I was going to ask and therefore perhaps the one Sharky should ask of those quality posters who now rarely post or stopped posting altogether. You must still have their contact details. Ask them. Then ask them what would need to be the ideal scenario for them to want to contribute and participate again. Offer them that (only if you can deliver) and a free premium membership for life.

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After a while, they realise that there's just no upside in sharing and educating others ( think bbmac ), and especially when nothing comes back in return.
Is that really the case, in every case?

By far the most of the 'good' threads for which I have had access appear to have died because of personal issues with other members and typically, the provocation comes from the usual quarters and the usual suspects. You don't have to be on this site for too long to be able to draw a vertical line and put on one side 'the good guys' and on the other side 'the envious, nasty, sniping wannabees and angry failed traders'. The makeup of each group changes over time but the demarcation is constant.

Look at the Journey from the Basement thread. I have no idea if that guy was genius or madman, but the moderator was up front in saying there would be zero tolerance for slagging off and sniping. It ran for a million years. Still not sure if that was a good thing or not, but when there is a mandated will to protect the talent (TBD) and that will is exercised and seen to be exercised, the talent continues to publish.

Sharky, I said in a post above the premium area should be open to non-premium members. Gave that some thought. Make that just the premium forum structure and premium thread tittles.
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 9:01am   #21
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Which leads us on to why the content dry's up from those sufficiently knowledgeable and able to provide it. After a while, they realise that there's just no upside in sharing and educating others ( think bbmac ), and especially when nothing comes back in return.
I wonder what could that be ! So we're back to hidden agendas and vendoring ...

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Isn't that implemented already ? Via private forums like "Just Trading" for example , only invited and approved members can participate in , but its hardly active at the moment , yes its for free but its the same principle .
I just told Sharky he could pull 'Just Trading' because nobody uses it......
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I just told Sharky he could pull 'Just Trading' because nobody uses it......
Can I ask you robster why you believe the thread lost momentum?
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I wonder what could that be ! So we're back to hidden agendas and vendoring ...
I'm talking about information exchange, however that's dressed up, there comes a point where it is either all one way, or the poster quits because he considers the other participants offer nothing of value in return.
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Can I ask you robster why you believe the thread lost momentum?
I don't think it ever gained momentum........
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I don't think it ever gained momentum........
OK. Why do you think it never gained momentum?
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OK. Why do you think it never gained momentum?
Honestly? There was no need for it. We just wanted a place to hang out.

I think people said they wanted better trading related content but the group of us that are/were full time traders didn't really need to talk endlessly about trading. We wanted to hang out with each other for company. Occasionally we would discuss trading but we knew each other pretty well, knew where we were in terms of competence and felt comfortable just being friendly with each other rather than trying to prove stuff to each other.

I'm not trading full time at the moment (I am running a corporate turnaround in Germany) but I daresay when that finishes and I switch back to full time trading, I'd probably come back here just for chats and lulz. More likely I'll hang with DT at Big Mike's because we trade the same security in the same style and I like Pedro as a human being and trader.
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Which, unfortunately, means counter_violent was correct in that the more experienced traders don't really have much to talk about with each other that's trading related and get tired of the one-way street when discussing trading with newbies. But I presume that wasn't the ethos on this site when you joined it robster? So what's changed: the site, trading or the people who now comprise the general membership?
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I'm talking about information exchange, however that's dressed up, there comes a point where it is either all one way, or the poster quits because he considers the other participants offer nothing of value in return.
Yes , IMO its much more complicated than that , some did quit because they had to work a regular 8-16 job , others did quit after getting a promotion on their trading job/career , others did quit after facing a dead end on their prop trading and thus looking for other ventures . And many did quit because of forum's moderating policy - FXMO's thread ... etc - .

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Which, unfortunately, means counter_violent was correct in that the more experienced traders don't really have much to talk about with each other that's trading related and get tired of the one-way street when discussing trading with newbies. But I presume that wasn't the ethos on this site when you joined it robster? So what's changed: the site, trading or the people who now comprise the general membership?
The skew in 2008 when I came here was that experienced traders generally dominated the tone of the conversation so that newbies who understood this is not a get rich quick scheme, had a body of information that could be tapped and was useful in the development of a trader. Relationships developed, information was provided, experience was imparted.

Now, I see those experienced traders being marginalised through the difficult balance the site tries to straddle between generating advertising/sponsorship revenue and new eyeballs vs keeping the content useful which in itself, is anti-vendor to the point where the experience has buggered off because it is not allowed to (a) hang out or (b) criticise vendors.

The site policy is what it is. It reaps what it sows. Nothing more, nothing less.
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