Multiple Nicks - Let's Take a Look

There has been a lot of chat recently on these boards about the use of multiple nicks. I'd like to examine this issue further using myself as a test case.

For those of you who read Chartman's post:-

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/showpost.php?p=134193&postcount=488

(I'll paste here as well)

Chartman said:

I don't recall Bramble saying that. What we do know is that there are a few on this BB with multiple nicks. To the best of my knowledge, Soc is not one of them. Neither is Bramble.

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Chartman said:

I stand corrected.Socratees does not have multiple nicks.

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I read this as Chartman changing his position with the implication I was using multiple nicks. I PM'd him asking him to clarify what it was he was trying to say and he responded with he comment that I "apparently appear to have more than one [nick]".

Which is interesting, as I don't.

I am registered on t2w, Elite Trader, Tactical Trader and Moneytec. I rarely post on the other boards but I have ony one nick "TheBramble" which I use on all. I don't use any other nick.

As Chartman has made the implication publicly I'd like this sorted - publicly. I grant the admin and mods of t2w freedom to publish whatever information they believe they have on me in regard to multiple nick usage so that I can successfully challenge it - also publicly.

Then I either get a very public apology, or I leave t2w.

Either you want to do this through pm's or you don't. You are using a double edged sword here. You send me a pm, inferring that the request is private, and then you post the same thing openly on the BB.Hardly playing the game. You didn't even give me a chance to reply to your pm. Frankly that sucks.
If I am wrong, I will say so.There was no need to make me look like a prat in public. I can do that for myself without any help from anyone else.
As I said in my pm reply to you, I'll re-check , in light of your pm request to me.
I'm not sure you deserve that courtesy any more, but I will do what I have said I will do.

Someone the other day was talking about this board going downhill. I've only been here for a couple of months and I can see the difference.

Posts like this don't help. Who gives a flying (expletive) if you have multiple nicks or not? I remember petty arguements like this on another forum I used to go on years ago but that was populated by teenagers.

Calm down and take it elsewhere please....

ChartMan said:

Either you want to do this through pm's or you don't. You are using a double edged sword here. You send me a pm, inferring that the request is private, and then you post the same thing openly on the BB.Hardly playing the game. You didn't even give me a chance to reply to your pm. Frankly that sucks.
If I am wrong, I will say so.There was no need to make me look like a prat in public. I can do that for myself without any help from anyone else.
As I said in my pm reply to you, I'll re-check , in light of your pm request to me.
I'm not sure you deserve that courtesy any more, but I will do what I have said I will do.

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You are being very selective.

I sent you, Sharky, Skim and FTSE BEater the same PM last night at 11:11 pm saying "As you chose to make the implication publicly (which I doubt I was the only one to 'clock') let's sort this one publicly". I made it quite clear that was what I was going to do for the very reason I quoted - you went public with it.

I got a 'pop-up' on first logging in this morning with notification of a PM from you which I'll read after I finished going through 'new posts' - which is the way I normally work.

As for making you look a prat in public - not my intention (I think we all know who is really behind this and more fool you for not thinking it through) - but you left me little choice after 'outing' me in public.

Had you shown me the same courtesy you demand in discussing it via PM in the first place we wouldn't be where we are right now.

ben_catt said:

Someone the other day was talking about this board going downhill. I've only been here for a couple of months and I can see the difference.

Posts like this don't help. Who gives a flying (expletive) if you have multiple nicks or not? I remember petty arguements like this on another forum I used to go on years ago but that was populated by teenagers.

Calm down and take it elsewhere please....

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With respect Ben, you don't know the extent of what's going on here.

Can we be enlightened please?

ben_catt said:

Someone the other day was talking about this board going downhill. I've only been here for a couple of months and I can see the difference.

Posts like this don't help. Who gives a flying (expletive) if you have multiple nicks or not? I remember petty arguements like this on another forum I used to go on years ago but that was populated by teenagers.

Calm down and take it elsewhere please....

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It only matters, imo, with a certain few members who are using mulitple nicks in an attempt to mislead others about who they are and the services they are selling.

However, it would make things a lot easier if people just had one nick and posted exclusively under that!

rossored said:

It only matters, imo, with a certain few members who are using mulitple nicks in an attempt to mislead others about who they are and the services they are selling.

However, it would make things a lot easier if people just had one nick and posted exclusively under that!

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The people who are using multiple Nicks are the people who have been slagging me and others here.

Would the moderator please publicly state that I have not been using multiple Nicks otherwise I beleive T2W by leaving such posts could effectively be defaming my character.

A good idea would be to show who the offenders are and their nicknames for all to see.

JonnyT

It must be hard to trace some people using multiple nicks but surely the ones that have been found out can be informed that they will only be able to post under their original nick. I might be wrong but I don't think we would be seeing too much of Zenda if that happened.

Then if they try it again, I think they should be banned from T2Win

TheBramble said:

With respect Ben, you don't know the extent of what's going on here.

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Sorry, I may have been a bit harsh with what I said. No offence intended.

At the end of the day, anyone accusing anyone else of having multiple nicks should provide evidence. If it is a moderator doing the accusing then surely they should be able to back up claims with evidence like IP addresses?

Just wanted to apologise and this will be the last I contribute on the matter.

Hi Bramble I am not up to speed on the multiple Nicks discussion could you point me in the direction or PM with the relevant posts.

Being one of those members that re registered under a different nick after an unjust banning ( in my opinion ) I can say that to the best of my knowledge those that re registered did so to gain access to the site with no alternate motive or thought of malice.

It only matters, imo, with a certain few members who are using multiple nicks in an attempt to mislead others about who they are and the services they are selling.
However, it would make things a lot easier if people just had one nick and posted exclusively under that!

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I have heard this before in the multiple nicks issue but there are a few points that should be mentioned with regard to this

1: To the best of my knowledge no member who currently posts in the system and strategies threads, commercial or otherwise, has used an alternate nick to promote their product.

2: One does not need multiple nicks to promote a system or way of thinking surely it is more devious to post and promote discussion giving members the impression you are one person and then to reveal at the end of the topic that in fact you are Mr X someone who would have not been given shelf space.

3: Is there any evidence of members being duped in this way if not then you are only speculating on a future What if event.

"T2W Site Guidelines
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1. Multiple Accounts

1.1 Members are permitted to have only one account each. If you forget your login details or wish to change your user name then email T2W for help, please do not simply re-register. Anyone found using multiple accounts will be warned and have all additional accounts deleted. Further violations of this rule will result in the member being banned."

I suppose it is not really possible to rule out all multiple accounts, using computers at different sites, for example.


However, given the above rule, if some people with multiple accounts are identifiable by admistrators/moderators, why not simply list them somewhere on the site.?

I have read this with interest but I am a bit confused as to the definition of mulitple nicks? I am assuming it means posting under more than one name on t2w? And not using a different name on another website?

I personally don't think it matters if someone uses another name on another website (and no, currently, I'm not) but using more than one name - if anyone is - on one website, gives pause for thought. Why?

Here is some of the information leading us to assume that Mr Bramble has more than one identity.

The IP address 174.75.129.2 is used by:
TheBramble
StockBaron

The IP address 81.168.13.90 is used by:
TheBramble
StockBaron
GirlPower

StockBaron and TheBramble both are registered with an email address, of which the domain although different is registered with the same person.

There are also distinct similarities by way of grammar in posts from TheBramble and StockBaron.
Is there a plausible explanation for this?
Multiple nicks that have come about by way of error are not an issue on this BB. Multiple nicks that are acquired in order to secure a hidden identity are. I am not at liberty to say which members fall into the latter category, but they are definitely out there and we will put a stop to it wherever we have proof.

[This posted has been subsequently edited by the Administrators to removed identifiable information]

Lovely dogs Bramble ..

BigBusiness

How did you manage to get those multi-coloured stars ?

Interesting Chartman but hardly proof that the Bramble is or was involved in anything sinister.

I would suggest you read T2Ws user conditions again. It states that each user must only have one nick it does not say that there may only one nick registered per household therefor it is perfectly within the rules for a members wife, son, daughter or brother to all have nicks within the site is it not?

I would also suggest you take a look at UK Law if by publicly posting the address of Bramble you are likely to cause him distress or him to have nuisance mail etc then you will become liable

ChartMan said:

Here is some of the information leading us to assume that Mr Bramble has more than one identity.

The IP address 174.75.129.2 is used by:
TheBramble
StockBaron

The IP address 81.168.13.90 is used by:
TheBramble
StockBaron
GirlPower

StockBaron and TheBramble both are registered with an email address, of which the domain although different is registered with the same person.

There are also distinct similarities by way of grammar in posts from TheBramble and StockBaron.
Is there a plausible explanation for this?
Multiple nicks that have come about by way of error are not an issue on this BB. Multiple nicks that are acquired in order to secure a hidden identity are. I am not at liberty to say which members fall into the latter category, but they are definitely out there and we will put a stop to it wherever we have proof.

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Felicity (GirlPower) I was ready for, StockBaron I was not.

I use a single BB connection through Eclipse so I'm unsure why there are two IP addresses.

thebramble is my personal domain - cbscom was my compnay domain until a few months ago (when I sold the company)

Girlpower is Felicity Gordon also my niece, recently out of Uni. I gave her some work preparing our glossy promotionals as part of the deal for the purchaser of my company. My brother-in-law (her father) lives in Richmond, N.Yorks and I can provide his contact details to the mods if required for confirmation. Felicity stayed with us during the promo work and occasionally whenever in the area - between travels. She has access to any/all machines on our wireless network.

Felicity is/was interested in what I was doing with my trading screens and I encouraged her to take a look at t2w. The posts I have seen from her quite genuinely portray her character, but I fail to see why using a static IP address from Eclipse that should be such a shocker. Her style and content is not abusive nor confrontational - not could you with even the most cynical mindset envisage any vested interest.

StockBaron I have no idea about but on a quick scan of his posts would not agree on style or content. He doesn't always spell-check for a start.

I'd appreciate confirmation of personal details for StockBaron if you have them. As part of my previous business' co-working strategy we held training weeks for clients' junior staff in MS-Office, Project etc and they would have had free access to the office machines, ut as I say, I'd need some further info before being able to address this particular issue.

ChartMan said:

Multiple nicks that have come about by way of error are not an issue on this BB. Multiple nicks that are acquired in order to secure a hidden identity are. I am not at liberty to say which members fall into the latter category, but they are definitely out there and we will put a stop to it wherever we have proof.

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I don't think so CM. You posted publicly on my apparent multi-nick status without any evidence other than that provided above which I have explained. So you either out everyone you consider is running multi-nicks or I, and the majority of the rest of the board, will continue to assume there are other 'interests' involved in trying to tarnish my reputation. It will not be a major surprise to anyone that this attack on my integrity occurs a few days after I have a pop at one of the t2w mods favourite whizzard...

You are all (mods & admin) in a position of some power over us members and I feel this could possibly be abused where ego and emotion are not held in check. It's surely no coincidence that as we members reach greater 'seniority' in the t2w membership, the attacks 'from within' increase. We've lost quite a few 'legendary members' - Bonzai, Hooya, Newtron Bomb, Riz and JonnyT (I suspect, on the brink). Rognvald, dropped out of t2w because of immoderate moderation. See his last post (no, not that one, the penultimate one). It takes a certain type of ego to create something like t2w - but quite another to keep it running smoothly.

As I said in my PM to you and the rest of the mods/admin today, and I quote:-

TheBramble said:

I am registered as "TheBramble" - only as "TheBramble" on this and every other board.

I have not registered more than one nick on any of them.

As for your post and my response this morning Martin, if you wanted this handled privately you really shouldn't have posted it. You do appreciate the position you've put me in. Regardless of the final outcome, my reputation has been irretrievably damaged by your implication. Mud sticks - even when incorrectly aimed.

If I wanted to register multiple nicks I would do so. I'd use different machines, clear cookies use dynamic IP addressing and even use a different ISP - I have the ability to do that as until recently, I run a business and have access to a number of machines on separate network infrastructures. And I would have known how to do it.

I am a master practitioner of Neuro Linguistic Programming and a qualified psychologist. If I wanted my post content to 'look and feel' radically different from 'TheBramble' I could easily have done this too.

But strewth - I barely have enough time to be TheBramble...

I'm intrigued to know who else I am supposed to be, what my 'views' are and what the purpose of my posts would have been.

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I suspect there's no way back from this, which is a pity for me and possibly for t2w. You shot your bolt at a totally innocent target.

But that's what happens when you let a cat from ther track run your show.

dc2000 said:

Interesting Chartman but hardly proof that the Bramble is or was involved in anything sinister.

I would suggest you read T2Ws user conditions again. It states that each user must only have one nick it does not say that there may only one nick registered per household therefor it is perfectly within the rules for a members wife, son, daughter or brother to all have nicks within the site is it not?

I would also suggest you take a look at UK Law if by publicly posting the address of Bramble you are likely to cause him distress or him to have nuisance mail etc then you will become liable

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TheBramble said:

I grant the admin and mods of t2w freedom to publish whatever information they believe they have on me in regard to multiple nick usage

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Very much so DC. The information published, even if subsequently retracted, falls outside that required to ascertain 'multiple nick usage'.

boy said:

Lovely dogs Bramble ..

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They are mate, thanks. Finn & Rua.