Is it true that DBP is not the King ?

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I saw a thread this morning that was deeply critical of Mr D B Phoenix and if I am not mistaken , that thread seems to have disparu-ed.

My interest in this is many fold :-

1. I wanted to contribute to that thread and now it has mysteriously disappeared
2. Has it been edited out ?
3. Is Mr Phoenix a shareholder of the Phoenix Club in Bolton ?
4. If so, where the f**k is my dividend cheque ?
5. Why does T2W protect people such as this and,
6. Did T2W learn its editing principles from Mr Josef Goebbels ?

Good night Mildred and good night to Jenny Bradshaw and Mimi Smith aussi.

PS. Jenny Bradshaw is one of the best traders I have ever known.
 
I thought that I would post a few thoughts on this thread but I do so with trepidation - fools rush in where angels fear to tread etc.

I should first state that I am not an apologist for dbp but I am registered as a member of the Price/Volume Forum

Rather than let this thread become a negative dbp bashing forum why not keep it a positive logical attempt to improve matters.

I appreciate that some people take issue with some of the actions and the style of dbp, There is a simple choice; cease involvement with him or grin and bear it if you think that it is worth it.

I have found his ideas very useful and currently I am not aware of anyone who is posting similar information. I have on occasions 'suffered' at the hands of dbp but I continue to remain a member of the p/v forum because I think that it is worth it.

It is also worth remembering that dbp did not 'take over' another thread but started his own.

There are those who think that he has something worthwhile to say and to pass on to others and would be disappointed to see him go.

Regards

bracke
 
I removed the thread, for two reasons.

1.It was derogatory, and as everyone knows we don't like that kind of talk. Would you like something derogatory posted on the boards about you, and us to do nothing about it? No - I rather thought not. Nobody likes being rubbished on the boards, do they? We try and apply the same rules to everyone. Sometimes we see the post and do something about it, sometimes we have to be told about a post by members such as yourselves.

2. It was pointless (just like this one)

Guys, seriously - what is your problem with this? First of all, we don't "protect" anyone. DBP, just like Mr.C and Naz has requested a private forum because they're fed up with the abusive PM's and replies that they get on the main boards - its fair enough. The Private Forums were there before DBP/Mr.C/Naz etc - its just that no-one used them. Now that they're being used, people complain about it!!

Its quite simple - if you don't agree or like someone's methodology or belief, don't read it. There's no disinformation going on, there is no slight of hand or deception going on - we, the mods, can see every post that is/has been deleted on these private forums, so none of the people involved can do anything that we can't see - not that I think they would do so for a moment.

So, for everyone's sake - because it's a really small group of you making a big deal out of it, believe you me - find something else to go on about :rolleyes:
 
Salty Gibbon said:
Is it true that DBP is not the King ?
I've never met DBP, but I can assure you, he is not the king. He was old and fat and drug addicted by the time I saw him, but I recently viewed a documentary with footage from his youth. No wonder the girls went crazy. There will never be another Elvis...
JO
:devilish:
 
I think part of the problem lies in the perception of what the Price Volume forum is for. I don’t think its meant to be an open discussion board. It’s more an open tutorial/lecture theatre. Anybody visiting it is expected to want to learn about PV, not to discuss whether PV is worth learning. Not that the merits of PV should not be discussed. Just not in DB’s forum.

It has been clearly demonstrated that such an objective just cannot be attained through the open forum route. And I don’t mean just because of the heat generated. There is just too much noise generated in open forums. This is good in most threads but not in serious “learning” threads. In the outside world there is no way a college lectures and tutorials can be structured as totally free discussion. For anything to be achieved someone needs to be in the chair and needs to keep the subject on topic and needs to keep the pace up etc. IMHO this is all DB wants and is why the Private forum route is the only way.

The format of the T2W web site makes it particularly suitable for this sort of learning method and my request would be lots more private learning forums to cater for the myriad different styles of trading if Sharky could get others to give up as much time and effort for free as DB is. What I would say is that any such forums should be basically open for all provided members abide by the rules.

Cheers

Gerard
 
"Oh, we're going to talk about me, are we? Goody!"

--Tracy Lord, The Philadelphia Story

:)
 
bracke said:
I should first state that I am not an apologist for dbp but I am registered as a member of the Price/Volume Forum. Rather than let this thread become a negative dbp bashing forum why not keep it a positive logical attempt to improve matters. I appreciate that some people take issue with some of the actions and the style of dbp.
This is pretty much my view as well. Since I joined T2W, I have only ever written one post in anger and it was in response to and aimed squarely at dbp. No one else on T2W has p****d me off more than he has! That said, I recognise fully the contribution that he makes not just to the PV forum but the site as a whole. I am a member of his PV forum (for the time being at least!) and, much like Mr. Charts' and Naz' forum, membership is granted to just about anyone who wishes to join. It's elitest only in so far as all members must agree to abide by the rules of membership which are utterly fair and reasonable IMO. I admit that I struggle with dbp at a personal level but, by the same token, I acknowledge fully that the 'Trading Plan Template' which was published recently in the K.Lab' could not and would not have been produced without his thought provoking and insightful posts.
Tim.
 
rossored said:
I removed the thread, for two reasons.

1.It was derogatory, and as everyone knows we don't like that kind of talk. Would you like something derogatory posted on the boards about you, and us to do nothing about it? No - I rather thought not. Nobody likes being rubbished on the boards, do they? We try and apply the same rules to everyone. Sometimes we see the post and do something about it, sometimes we have to be told about a post by members such as yourselves.

2. It was pointless (just like this one)

Guys, seriously - what is your problem with this? First of all, we don't "protect" anyone. DBP, just like Mr.C and Naz has requested a private forum because they're fed up with the abusive PM's and replies that they get on the main boards - its fair enough. The Private Forums were there before DBP/Mr.C/Naz etc - its just that no-one used them. Now that they're being used, people complain about it!!

Its quite simple - if you don't agree or like someone's methodology or belief, don't read it. There's no disinformation going on, there is no slight of hand or deception going on - we, the mods, can see every post that is/has been deleted on these private forums, so none of the people involved can do anything that we can't see - not that I think they would do so for a moment.

So, for everyone's sake - because it's a really small group of you making a big deal out of it, believe you me - find something else to go on about :rolleyes:

Now that everyone has had their say, and leaving DB out of this, I will tell you I have read this post above 8 times. I get very frustrated intellectually when I encounter this kind of comment on the basis that I am not able to "grab it" immediately.

My dilemma occurs as a result of attempting to decide whether the posture you display above is one of choice or not, and, furthermore whether you are being cynical or naive.

Kind Regards As Usual.
 
rossored said:
Guys, seriously - what is your problem with this?
When I first saw this question, Matt, my feelings were exactly the same as those of Socrates in that I was unsure whether you were being cynical or naive. However, I've decided not to answer that question here directly, in deference to the appeal of Bracke and Timsk not to let the thread become too negative.

rossored said:
we, the mods, can see every post that is/has been deleted on these private forums, so none of the people involved can do anything that we can't see - not that I think they would do so for a moment.
Well, when they did so "for a moment" and I complained about it, Sharky told me the opposite of that. I've quoted publicly what he said, and I actually did so by "pasting", not just by explaining in my own words.

Given the obvious conflict of information, I'm naturally taking the view that the situation in that regard has changed dramatically at some point over the last couple of months, (but it would still be nice to have that confirmed, please, and I hope and trust you'll agree that that's hardly an unreasonable request, in the circumstances?).

rossored said:
... it's a really small group of you making a big deal out of it
That was how it started out at another internet forum, as well. And the moderators there tried to ignore it for a long time and ended up regretting it. I don't mean it rudely, Matt, but I think you're trying to bury your head in the sand and I think that you're making a mistake in doing so, and I'm very well aware that I'm by no means the only person who thinks that. Ok, enough said by me: delete this thread too, if you want.
 
Roberto said:
That was how it started out at another internet forum, as well. And the moderators there tried to ignore it for a long time and ended up regretting it.

Yes,more often than not it's better to replace a squeeky wheel and be done with it rather than try to "oil" it.

If you catch my drift Roberto
 
Roberto said:
Given the obvious conflict of information, I'm naturally taking the view that the situation in that regard has changed dramatically at some point over the last couple of months, (but it would still be nice to have that confirmed, please, and I hope and trust you'll agree that that's hardly an unreasonable request, in the circumstances?)

I have confirmed this already in another place on the boards Robero, as you are well aware, having answered it yourself.

I also never said you were the only one saying it. I said - as you yourself have quoted - "... it's a really small group of you". And it is.

Excuse me, I must attend to taking some profits on my short position.
 
rossored said:
I have confirmed this already in another place on the boards Robero, as you are well aware, having answered it yourself.
We are talking at cross-purposes. I am of course fully aware of the conversation you're now referring to. Nobody has yet told me that the system has changed. I have simply assumed that.

I would have thought that (especially in the circumstances!!!) it might be a courtesy for _someone_ to be kind enough just to say "Yes, that's right; we're on top of that problem now and have changed the system to prevent what happened to you from happening again".

But to my genuine surprise, that's evidently too much to ask for!
 
From this thread:http://www.trade2win.com/boards/showthread.php?t=14946&page=5&pp=10

rossored said:
Roberto, in case Frugi's earlier post did not make this clear:

When a post is deleted, it is only "soft-deleted". The mods/admin can still see the post, view it, and decide, as required, to leave it deleted or un-delete it and restore it to public view. So, we are quite aware of which posts get deleted although not always the reasons for the deletion, obviously.

Roberto, if it is not clear to you from the above what the standpoint is on this, then I am unable to help you further. You yourself have acknowledged that you understand this a few posts later, on the same thread.

Roberto said:
That actually removes some of my reservation about private forums, because it strongly implies that people can no longer behave as one forum-owner did back then and hope to get away with it. Thank you.

It doesnt actually imply anything. It says how it is done.

So, can we clarify your view please? In favour of, or against Private Forums? I am a little unclear on this point now.

Regardless, I've already said its a PRIVATE forum. You dont have to - in fact, you in particular Roberto - can't read the content anyway, as DBP won't let you in. It's up to him, not me/Paul/whoever. So what exactly is your point? If its just that you don't like DBP and the way he gets his message or views across, then thats fine. You don't have to like it. You don't have to read it. Its a simple as that.

Kind regards, and goodnight.
 
It strikes me that at least a few members of this site (having sweated honestly for a significant slice of their existence, in order to achieve true freedom through the bounteous miracle that is consistently profitable trading) have at last, to mention but one benefit, earned the right to exempt themselves from the often pernicious, circular and soul-destroying office politics that can undermine constructive endeavours in the conventional workplace. At this point of personal achievement, I'd have naively imagined that a welcome respite on one's laurels would be in order: a thick skin has been duly grown and there is nothing left to prove, except to oneself.

Yet, incredibly, having surmounted a devious and difficult obstacle - and having been granted a priceless and rare luxury - they still cannot resist finding another medium in which to involve themselves in these destructive politics, of which one is this site, specifically a few particular threads therein. I simply do not understand this mentality and I probably never will.

This is a largely anonymous internet forum and to be frank I am amazed by the number of seemingly mature, dedicated, well-educated and intelligent individuals who seem to devote a significant proportion of their time to the acrimonious splitting of hairs, defamations of character and miscellaneous negativity (all of which oft pervade the very working environments that we have all tried so desperately to escape).

I may be naive, complacent, ignorant or indeed cynical - I've no idea, given my confused interpretation of the context - but this state of affairs nevertheless breaks my heart and leads me to believe that continuing my duty as a moderator is a somewhat worthless endeavour.

In my nascent, perhaps idealistic, role of "moral guardian" I sincerely believed that it was possible for the members of a site such as this to be able to discuss trading in a civilised, pertinent, open-minded manner, without the perennial blight of the next, oh-so-predictable "You are a **** but I'll say it subtly" post; our job was simply to remove the screamingly obvious bad elements, such as serial spammers, dishonest vendors, the vociferously rude, bitter and envious etc. Yet I am beginning to believe that, even given the removal of the obvious, the dark side of human nature will always ensure that this ideal is unachievable. What a pity.

Perhaps in any situation - however unconventional - humans unconsciously seek the establishment of some kind of pecking order, however at odds the means used may seem to be with the ideals that are ostensibly being embraced.

Despite my usual level of bombast that yet again obscures what I really mean, I stand shoulder to shoulder with Rossored whose post imho is neither naive nor cynical, just straight to a rather obvious point that many seem to miss in their quest to pick repeatedly at the pointless, while perhaps forgetting why they're members of this site in the first place.

This post is not directed at anyone in particular - believe me - rather it is simply a culmination of the depression that I feel when encountering the same old trivial **** time and time again. I am not taking sides for or with anyone.

As Arabella Weir might say in the Fast Show: "No offence." And, hey, it's a Bank Holiday. Relax a little, people, for the love of Roast Beef :)
 
I should probably stay out of something I don't know that much about (the private forums) but I joined this site in order to obtain insight and learn and hopefully help others to do the same. Also, working from home, the office environment doesn't exist and therefore its nice to have an 'online community' with others who pursue the same objectives.

Sometimes my thoughts and opinions are not the same as others, and my direction to reach my own particular goal may well differ to others but, in order to avoid these 'office politics', I use my ability of choosing to read and join threads that enlighten me or others and stay out of things that are of no interest or rifle me. This is a benefit of such boards.

There are plenty of threads on these boards which cover many, if not all the angles of trading of every discretion, and many of these are constructive, light hearted, enjoyable and educational to read. Its a shame that many arguments occur. I found myself in an over zealous debate the other evening.

The number of threads that are of enjoyment and intelligence and help out number the bad ones and I will continue to enjoy this site, choosing the threads that interest me and avoiding the arguments. This isn't why I joined. Everyone has their own views and each to their own.

So, as Frugi suggests, time to lighten up and head for a bar me thinks! :cheesy:
 
What strikes me is that once again, the great majority overlook the significance of the obvious.
 
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