New to Emini's, what do you suggest

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hello all,
I live in Australia and new to Emini's. Went to a TI Seminar was very impressive
but since heard bad reports about them. Are their any TI customers out thier that
want to put their two bobs in and tell me their experience with them? Also for a
beginner what does anyone suggest i start off doing, Interested in the S&P500,
Im thinking learn a system that is successful and practise practise practies. Only thing
is i need the system and the education.
 
w/c 9 Nov, YM weekly pivots are
R2 10105
R1 9550
PP 9081
S1 8526
S2 8057

how about sitting on your hands, do nothing (the hardest part of trading when you're at an early stage in your development/experience) until either:

price rises between R1 & R2 then setting 2 resting orders - Sell Stop to go Short at 9550 to catch the Reversal and a Buy Stop to go Long at 10105 to catch a Momentum Breakout

or, conversely, when price dips between S1 & S2, place a resting Buy Stop to go Long at 8526 to catch the Reversal and a Sell Stop to go Short at 8057 to catch the Momentum Breakdown

I do this week-in week-out on ES, GC and CL futures and daily on ES
(although to be honest I don't use Floor Trader Pivots, I use Camarillas and adapted DeMark PPs, but the principal is exactly the same - patience then wait for price to confirm your triggers by moving thru them)

anyway, it may not suit you and Sod's Law means the first week you watch this will go tits up, but I thought it worth a mention 'cos it works well for me...and you'll notice the absence of Indicators and timeframes. if you can set audio alerts on R1 and S1 so you know when price moves into a trade zone, you don't even need to be anywhere near your screens
 
or, how about trading Opening Range Breakout using Toby Crabel's "Stretch" ?

The Stretch is calculated by taking the 10 period SMA of the absolute difference between the Open and either the High or Low, whichever difference is smaller.

For example, if the Open is 1250, the High is 1258, and the Low is 1240, then we would take the value of 8 for that day because 1258-1250 is 8 which is smaller than 1250-1240 which is 10. We then add together all of these values for the last 10 trading days and divide this by 10 to get the 10 day SMA. This value will then become the Stretch.

The Stretch is used in calculating where to enter the trade and where to place a stop using the ORB and ORBP trading strategies, ie place Buy Stops to go Long at Open+Stretch and place Sell Stops to go Short at Open-Stretch ....
 
Thanks for the reply

Hi thanks for the help,
alot of this is very foreign with me,
what trading platform do you use
and broker?
 
No indicators! Only price action...

The best advise I can give you is to forget about using any indicators, they all lag and only tell you what has already happened.

On the other hand, price action doesn't lag, ever. Learn to read only price action without indicators and you are well on your way.

If your new to this field then you are already ahead of the game because you haven't brainwashed yourself thinking you need some magic indicators that only hurt your trading results.

Follow the crowd and you will fail in this business like the other 95% or find your own edge by getting to know and understand how market rythm & price action work.

Your own eyes are your best indicators and price action never lies.

Hope this helps...

Bud(y)
 
The best advise I can give you is to forget about using any indicators, they all lag and only tell you what has already happened.

On the other hand, price action doesn't lag, ever. Learn to read only price action without indicators and you are well on your way.

If your new to this field then you are already ahead of the game because you haven't brainwashed yourself thinking you need some magic indicators that only hurt your trading results.

Follow the crowd and you will fail in this business like the other 95% or find your own edge by getting to know and understand how market rythm & price action work.

Your own eyes are your best indicators and price action never lies.

Hope this helps...

Bud(y)

Indicators help.................the one who is trying to get your money, ie. the professional.

They already know what the punter is likely to do for the reason you say----the indicators lag.

If one must use them, at least use one which uses present price bar action against one, for instance, Bollinger Bands show when the present price is over/under priced-- but even those have to be treated with care because the price could be starting to trend-- Price reaction to an average, as well, but never an indicator that is on a box underneath the price chart, they all lag because they are based on averages.

Split
 
any specific questions ?

as for platforms/brokers, I use tradestation, infinity, and optionsxpress for brokers with tradestation, sierra, prorealtime charting

thanks,
i have got omega research prosuite and that includes tradestation, radarscreen and optionstation so that will cover me for my platform but will look at sierra and prorealtime charting tonight for broker. Who would you recommend for data feed? One question i would have to ask is with your system you have in place and using what results are you achieving? What indicators do you use so i can study them more? Can you send templates to use or start from scratch for the platforms. By the way was that Sierra Chart - Financial Market Charting and Trading Software and ProRealTime : Real Time Technical Analysis Software, think sierra is cheaper as its in American dollars but will trial protime
 
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what I do isn't for everybody cos it can test patience and means "giving up" or "missing out" on a large chunk of points waiting for price action to confirm my trigger points.

I set an upper kill zone and a lower kill zone based on 2 horizontal lines - you could even create such lines artificially and grab any numbers you want, but i use Camarilla Pivot Points and also adapted, modified DeMark PPs.

For example, you could also use traditional Floor Trader Pivot Points and use either R1 and R2 as the upper kill zone or M1 and R1 (where M1 is the mid-point between the main Pivot Point and R1)

Here are the kill zone set-ups for the ES for Monday 9 Nov, based on CamPPs:

upper Kill Zone:
956.33 & 946.29

Lower Kill Zone:
926.21 & 916.18

the hardest part for some people is sitting on your hands, do nothing until either:

price rises into the upper kill zone then setting 2 resting orders - Sell Stop to go Short at 946.29 to catch the Reversal and a Buy Stop to go Long at 956.33 to catch a Momentum Breakout

or, conversely, when price dips into lower kill zone, place a resting Buy Stop to go Long at 926.21 to catch the Reversal and a Sell Stop to go Short at 916.18 to catch the Momentum Breakdown

caveat - because the outer boundaries of the kill zones represent what should be the limits of price action on a normal volatility day, once a breakout/breakdown trade is triggered from the outer levels of each kill zone, i also set a stop&reverse trade at the entry point

MM permitting I try to trade in 3 cars/lots - take one off at +1, another at +2, move my Stop to B/E and hope for a 'runner"
You may get stopped out one trade in ten, scratch another couple, make +1 and +2 on several trades then usually about 2 out of 10 trades will result in a very decent runner

I trade this way daily on the ES and weekly on ES, GC and CL

anyway, it may not suit you and Sod's Law means the first week you watch this will go tits up, but I thought it worth a mention 'cos it works well for me...and you'll notice the absence of Indicators and timeframes. if you can set audio alerts on the inner limits of each kill zone you'll know when price moves into a kill zone, you don't even need to be anywhere near your screens

the only confirming "indicator" I like to use is Ben Lichtenstein's pit audio commentary (tradersaudio.com) I'm not sure about now, but they used to run a free trial. If you've never heard live commentary from the pit, it's mind-blowing. It may take several weeks to get used to it and understand it well enough to utilise, but once you "get" it, you'll never want to trade without it !

I use several platforms cos I like to keep my weekly and daily trades separate as well as my ES trades away from GC and CL etc. But for me the Number One platform I use is the AT DOM from infinityfutures. It's a great price ladder, quick and easy to use, great for setting up pre-determined parameters etc

Charting, again I use several, but I do like tradestation for the ease of setting the audio alert on the inner levels of my kill zones


good luck, hope it helps


ps, although it helps to have the knowledge to work out PPs yourself, this site is a decent shortcut :)
Daily Notes - Numbers for Day Traders
 
Hi Rathcool, just wondered whether you had ever traded this and whether you had any degree of sucess. Ive used it on the FtSE index (spreadbetting) with a decent degree of sucess but like everything else it aint foolproof! If you were using it on futures such as the YM what time would you use to get your opening price - 9.30 am Eastern time? The only reason i ask is that futures trade pretty much all day.Many thanks



or, how about trading Opening Range Breakout using Toby Crabel's "Stretch" ?

The Stretch is calculated by taking the 10 period SMA of the absolute difference between the Open and either the High or Low, whichever difference is smaller.

For example, if the Open is 1250, the High is 1258, and the Low is 1240, then we would take the value of 8 for that day because 1258-1250 is 8 which is smaller than 1250-1240 which is 10. We then add together all of these values for the last 10 trading days and divide this by 10 to get the 10 day SMA. This value will then become the Stretch.

The Stretch is used in calculating where to enter the trade and where to place a stop using the ORB and ORBP trading strategies, ie place Buy Stops to go Long at Open+Stretch and place Sell Stops to go Short at Open-Stretch ....
 
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