Depth Trade
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Is this thread supposed to be a bad joke?
Where are we heading? We will be lucky to make it to the end of the year. We are dropping 1.8 trl every year just to keep it afloat. Construction is off -70%, markets are being propped up by the PPT (plunge protection team). Our government is completely corrupt, in bed with global elitists/ banking cartels.
The largest environmental disaster is happening right now, 4 million gallons are emptying in to the gulf every day at 20,000-70,000 P.S.I. Highest level environmental analysts state this is the largest disaster in human history and may never be repaired. Top scientists are now suggesting the use of a nuclear explosion to collapse the oil passages onto it's self. If this fails, oil could start emptying out at a higher rate.
We have military exercising for total economic collapse, martial law is ready to be implemented any day, due to the passage of bills after 911.
CNN, MSNBC, fox are already having interviews with top fund managers suggesting the stockpiling of food, silver, firearms, ammo.
We are absolutely FCKed and now matter what kind of hope are fantasy you live in, you can not deny reality.
We are on a countdown to Armageddon.
Where are we heading? We will be lucky to make it to the end of the year. We are dropping 1.8 trl every year just to keep it afloat. Construction is off -70%, markets are being propped up by the PPT (plunge protection team). Our government is completely corrupt, in bed with global elitists/ banking cartels.
The largest environmental disaster is happening right now, 4 million gallons are emptying in to the gulf every day at 20,000-70,000 P.S.I. Highest level environmental analysts state this is the largest disaster in human history and may never be repaired. Top scientists are now suggesting the use of a nuclear explosion to collapse the oil passages onto it's self. If this fails, oil could start emptying out at a higher rate.
We have military exercising for total economic collapse, martial law is ready to be implemented any day, due to the passage of bills after 911.
CNN, MSNBC, fox are already having interviews with top fund managers suggesting the stockpiling of food, silver, firearms, ammo.
We are absolutely FCKed and now matter what kind of hope are fantasy you live in, you can not deny reality.
We are on a countdown to Armageddon.
Is this thread supposed to be a bad joke?
Where are we heading? We will be lucky to make it to the end of the year. We are dropping 1.8 trl every year just to keep it afloat. Construction is off -70%, markets are being propped up by the PPT (plunge protection team). Our government is completely corrupt, in bed with global elitists/ banking cartels.
The largest environmental disaster is happening right now, 4 million gallons are emptying in to the gulf every day at 20,000-70,000 P.S.I. Highest level environmental analysts state this is the largest disaster in human history and may never be repaired. Top scientists are now suggesting the use of a nuclear explosion to collapse the oil passages onto it's self. If this fails, oil could start emptying out at a higher rate.
We have military exercising for total economic collapse, martial law is ready to be implemented any day, due to the passage of bills after 911.
CNN, MSNBC, fox are already having interviews with top fund managers suggesting the stockpiling of food, silver, firearms, ammo.
We are absolutely FCKed and now matter what kind of hope are fantasy you live in, you can not deny reality.
We are on a countdown to Armageddon.
Your optimistic
Depth Trade
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I'm realistic. Your an idiot.Your optimistic
''Countdown to Armageddon''
''Fund managers say buy guns and ammo''
A touch extreme, don't you agree?
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last Q 2008 offered up a fantastic opportunity to get over the pain quickly and to then re-build, but having witnessed our 'leaders' pass up the opportunity due to political cowardice and greed unfortunately I concur with DT...
The parallels with the 1930's become more uncanny as each day passes, esp. given the silly repetition to restore confidence that has been aped 80 years later, history doesn't repeat but it does rhyme...I just hope the hyper space button of a tragic and devestating war (literary created out of nothing) in order to re-build the west's power and industrial complex (in all its guises) is not revisited, but there's only one sure way to re-build from this situation as a tried and tested *successful* method...
I've voted bear market in your poll, however, if it refers to the secular main indices. We could endure stagflation followed by hyper inflation as the presses whirr to deliberately create destruction from within if these foolish austerity measures fail..which they will given the obsession with growth...Therefore you could (after an inevitable period of stagflation) see the markets rocket to new highs, but it'll be meaningless..it'll simply represent a flight to a so called safety, which IMHO is all we've seen in the secular bear market rally we witnessed in 2009
The parallels with the 1930's become more uncanny as each day passes, esp. given the silly repetition to restore confidence that has been aped 80 years later, history doesn't repeat but it does rhyme...I just hope the hyper space button of a tragic and devestating war (literary created out of nothing) in order to re-build the west's power and industrial complex (in all its guises) is not revisited, but there's only one sure way to re-build from this situation as a tried and tested *successful* method...
I've voted bear market in your poll, however, if it refers to the secular main indices. We could endure stagflation followed by hyper inflation as the presses whirr to deliberately create destruction from within if these foolish austerity measures fail..which they will given the obsession with growth...Therefore you could (after an inevitable period of stagflation) see the markets rocket to new highs, but it'll be meaningless..it'll simply represent a flight to a so called safety, which IMHO is all we've seen in the secular bear market rally we witnessed in 2009
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I'm generally a fan of Keynes, however there are signs of coming out of recovery and due to the massive debt burden I think it is necessary to begin cutting back early - not savagely but prudently. I think we've got to be careful making too much of the Great Depression. I'm not diminishing its importance or impact, however it is a single instance. There are other examples where austerity did prove successful, for instance in the UK postwar where from a position of virtual bankruptcy the UK pulled back from the brink and through careful spending managed to recover to unprecedented prosperity.
The greatest danger is that little to nothing has been done to resolve the structural failings that caused all this. The days of relying on American consumers pulling out their credit cards to pull the world out of recession are over, however the politicians and economists don't seem to have quite grasped that. The risk-soaked banks need breaking up and defusing, and a repositioning from low reserve-high lending and large-scale speculation to investment in real innovation and productivity is needed. This must be accompanied by a return to fiscal prudence (missing for ten years in the US and longer in the UK). Also an increase in savings and productive investment by all is required in order to de-leverage, reduce personal risk and put personal wealth to productive use in the economy (instead of being used to expand the next worthless bubble in poorly managed public companies or private real estate).
The greatest danger is that little to nothing has been done to resolve the structural failings that caused all this. The days of relying on American consumers pulling out their credit cards to pull the world out of recession are over, however the politicians and economists don't seem to have quite grasped that. The risk-soaked banks need breaking up and defusing, and a repositioning from low reserve-high lending and large-scale speculation to investment in real innovation and productivity is needed. This must be accompanied by a return to fiscal prudence (missing for ten years in the US and longer in the UK). Also an increase in savings and productive investment by all is required in order to de-leverage, reduce personal risk and put personal wealth to productive use in the economy (instead of being used to expand the next worthless bubble in poorly managed public companies or private real estate).
I make a conscious effort not to think about it for a moment. Even if I knew the FTSE's year-end value for 2011, it wouldn't help me trade the next 72 hours, it would just bias my efforts to remain impartial and trade what I see, not what I think.
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3 things;
Despite all the US govt's efforts job creation (as we know from the last NFP figs) is disastrous, so much so that Obama had to go to the hill (quietly) over the past week/end to ask for another $50bl to prevent 300,000 teachers losing ther jobs. Deepwater became a good opportunity to bury further bad news... This kinda thing just isn't hitting the headlines anymore, as Haiti goes past compassion empathy perhaps economic earthquakes no longer resonate with the populus at large...the blame (or congratulations) has to be put on the mainstream media for that *success*...
Germany's co-alition (right wing) govt is close to failure...bookmark this for future reference in relation to our own co-alition which similar to the Lib Lab pact will fail, 307 seats + the Lib Dems is a recipe for fudge early days but imploding souffle when votes are needed...Folk are too busy looking for parallels with the 80's and Thatcher, the 70's with its 2 recessions and real growth only occuring in mid/late 80's (led by house price inflation) is a far better comparison...
Greece sovereign debt now officially rated as junk...let me repeat that...Greece's sovereign debt now officially junk...won't make much difference to the Greeks, they havn't worked for a living for 2,000 years, but nevertheless...omfg....
Despite all the US govt's efforts job creation (as we know from the last NFP figs) is disastrous, so much so that Obama had to go to the hill (quietly) over the past week/end to ask for another $50bl to prevent 300,000 teachers losing ther jobs. Deepwater became a good opportunity to bury further bad news... This kinda thing just isn't hitting the headlines anymore, as Haiti goes past compassion empathy perhaps economic earthquakes no longer resonate with the populus at large...the blame (or congratulations) has to be put on the mainstream media for that *success*...
Germany's co-alition (right wing) govt is close to failure...bookmark this for future reference in relation to our own co-alition which similar to the Lib Lab pact will fail, 307 seats + the Lib Dems is a recipe for fudge early days but imploding souffle when votes are needed...Folk are too busy looking for parallels with the 80's and Thatcher, the 70's with its 2 recessions and real growth only occuring in mid/late 80's (led by house price inflation
) is a far better comparison...Greece sovereign debt now officially rated as junk...let me repeat that...Greece's sovereign debt now officially junk...won't make much difference to the Greeks, they havn't worked for a living for 2,000 years, but nevertheless...omfg....
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Depth Trade is bang on!,..
I've watched this agenda unfold for over 15 yrs (It's been ongoing for over one hundred yrs).
Most folk miss it, because their minds are focused on the "news".
There is a deliberate take down of the present system, to allow for the phoenix(new system) to rise from the ashes!
Disclaimer: I don't "do" beliefs or opinions,..only empirical evidence.
I've watched this agenda unfold for over 15 yrs (It's been ongoing for over one hundred yrs).
Most folk miss it, because their minds are focused on the "news".
There is a deliberate take down of the present system, to allow for the phoenix(new system) to rise from the ashes!
Disclaimer: I don't "do" beliefs or opinions,..only empirical evidence.
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Plus ca change, plus c'est la memo chose. Empires fall and new empires rise. Capitalism transforms to new forms of Capitalism adopted by the new(old) world order. A war? Well, we've been fighting since we became bipeds so why would that change. We'll continue to adapt until nature decides to extinguish us, which ultimately, it will.
So S&P 500 to close the year around 1400 I reckon.
So S&P 500 to close the year around 1400 I reckon.
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Rossini,...As I stated, I don't do opinion,..and I don't really know what motivates the people in power, if I did, it would be mere speculation on my part.
I'd have to sit down with all of them and ask.
But I have read thousands of reports and documents (from world authorities) that have, over the years come to fruition.
To "see" it happening all around is either, extremely coincidental,(and highly unprobable)..or very well orchestrated.
I'd have to sit down with all of them and ask.
But I have read thousands of reports and documents (from world authorities) that have, over the years come to fruition.
To "see" it happening all around is either, extremely coincidental,(and highly unprobable)..or very well orchestrated.
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Surely it's ''mere speculation'' on your part anyway? You have come to that conclusion and then speculated what the outcome will be based on the facts that you have. There is nothing wrong with that, but to dress it up as something other than speculation based on opinion is wrong.
Anyway that's besides the point, I was asking you to speculate on what the motives could be?
Anyway that's besides the point, I was asking you to speculate on what the motives could be?
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"mere speculation" on my part,..hmm
If a thousand folk read the reports (which outline a plan),..and the plan comes to fruition,..regardless of opinion, it's written in black on white, and can't be refuted, unless of course, opinion gets in the way
For example: Rossini creates a plan to get up in the morning and drink some coffee,....I read it, and
watch his actions, (along with others who have read same plan),...
Question: Does Rossini fulfill his plan by getting up and drinking coffee?
And can we all agree it was no coincidence?
BTW: I'll get back to you on the speculation part,..it could be quite long (I'll have to go and read some conspiracy theories) : )
If a thousand folk read the reports (which outline a plan),..and the plan comes to fruition,..regardless of opinion, it's written in black on white, and can't be refuted, unless of course, opinion gets in the way
For example: Rossini creates a plan to get up in the morning and drink some coffee,....I read it, and
watch his actions, (along with others who have read same plan),...
Question: Does Rossini fulfill his plan by getting up and drinking coffee?
And can we all agree it was no coincidence?
BTW: I'll get back to you on the speculation part,..it could be quite long (I'll have to go and read some conspiracy theories) : )
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Lol. I accept your point, and if the plan was for me to get up in the morning and drink a cup of coffee (I prefer tea btw, but lets not get picky) and I fulfilled that plan by having the coffee then yes, it was no coincidence that the plan outlined my actions.
But if the plan was for me to drink the coffee and I got up and turned the Kettle on, I could be boiling water for any reason, not necessarily to make coffee. But its at this point (in our example) that you're speculating that I'm fulfilling the plan to make coffee, but the fact remains I haven't made it yet. However likely It appears to be, at this moment in time its still speculation based on opinion.
I will wait for your conspiracy theories ;-)
But if the plan was for me to drink the coffee and I got up and turned the Kettle on, I could be boiling water for any reason, not necessarily to make coffee. But its at this point (in our example) that you're speculating that I'm fulfilling the plan to make coffee, but the fact remains I haven't made it yet. However likely It appears to be, at this moment in time its still speculation based on opinion.
I will wait for your conspiracy theories ;-)
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Is this all getting a bit Illuminati?
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