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Old Mar 3, 2004, 3:29pm   #1
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Old Mar 3, 2004, 5:17pm   #2
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Q How do you know when your girlfriend has had an orgasm?

A Who cares!

Im actually reading The Education of a Speculator by Victor Niederhoffer (modern day version of Stock Operator). There is a chapter about Markets and Sex. He makes several references to the Hemline Index - proven fact that girls wear shorter skirts during bull markets (80's) but longer ones during declines (70'2). Also references the exileration of a winning trade vs sex, the dangers of good sex before a trading session (causes irresponsible trades due to the feelings of prowess and ego etc). An interesting book, but dont expect it to give away any of his 'secrets'. The chapters on gambling, board games, sports and deception (in nature and markets) are also page turners.

Victor Niederhoffer is one of Soros's protegees by the way.
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Old Mar 3, 2004, 5:45pm   #3
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Victor Niederhoffer,

Wasnt he the guy who blew his fund up..

Famed speculator Victor Niederhoffer played the same games everyone else did -- but he always played bigger. As a student of trading, he worked under George Soros; he regularly challenges grandmasters in chess and checkers; he's won repeated titles as a national squash champion. As an international futures trader, he regularly wagered hundreds of millions of dollars on margin. And on Monday, Oct. 27, 1997, he lost.

Big time.

Niederhoffer's three hedge funds, Limited Partners of Niederhoffer Intermarket Fund L.P., Limited Partners of Niederhoffer Friends Partnership L.P. and Niederhoffer Global Systems S.A., were wiped out Monday as losses estimated at $50 million to $100 million claimed the first high-profile victim of the market swoon. has obtained a letter addressed to Niederhoffer clients in which he writes: "Right now the indications are that the entire equity positions in the funds has been wiped out." Acknowledging his propensity for risk, the memo added that "this time we did not succeed, and I regret to say that all of us have suffered some very large losses."

According to the letter, Niederhoffer's losses came as a result of speculative bets on S&P 500 puts, and he was among several big traders to get tagged with huge losses, according to a source on a Chicago trading floor. Curiously, a standard bet on puts Monday would have proved prescient. Possibly, one trader said, Niederhoffer had started going long by writing puts during last week's weakness. That would have become a dangerous and costly trade on Monday as markets screamed lower. Another trader thought Niederhoffer had made bets based on volatility that had gone terribly awry. Niederhoffer's funds have been working with its brokers since Monday evening to meet obligations, according to the memo.
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Old Mar 3, 2004, 10:20pm   #4
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clylbw started this thread Hi BBB,

I am a big fan of Reminiscences of a Stock Operator; it was this book that introduced me into the trading game. The book was eyeopening as it told me about the age-old nature of trading and speculating.

Do you think The Education of a Speculator is similarly educational?
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Old Mar 3, 2004, 10:23pm   #5
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clylbw started this thread Hi donaldduke,

Can you please tell me what happened later? What has Victor Niederhoffer done since then?

Thanks indeed.
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Old Mar 3, 2004, 11:00pm   #6
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DD - yeah you're right. Reading the book made me ask one simple question - Hasn't this guy ever heard of stops?!

Since 97 I read somewhere that he has made a comeback again - and of course lost it again! (I think it was the Yen this time)

His approach seems to be based around spotting statistical abnormalities in the market and applying his ideas of probability to the outcome. He doesn't do things by halves!

Interestingly, he states that his grandfather was one of Jesse Livermores trainees.

clybw - he wrote a book! (trying to get a grub stake together like the rest of them I guess)

Like I say - it's an interesting 'coffee table' book. Some interesting insights into the markets, but nothing that will help your trading per se (I hope!)

If anything. it teaches us that just 'cos you're Ivy Leage, or have millions at your disposal for statistical research, it doesn't guarantee success! Shame some banks don't take heed.
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Old Mar 4, 2004, 12:15am   #7
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re: 'The Education of a Speculator' This rather idiosyncratic book must be one of the few books on trading (I may be showing my ignorance here, I have not read <i>that</i> many?) that contains 24 mainly rather amateurish looking paintings in the middle. And I mean that as no slur on the author. Perhaps they are well known artists? But the pics - with a few exceptions - look like they've been painted by family friends. Extraordinary.

BBB: regarding sex before trading - I don't know if there is any connection - but sex before running in a race (especially before the shorter distances) is believe from studies done to promote oxygen uptake and that therefore the runner can improve his/her time somewhat; masturbation can have a similar effect. But Victor Niederhoffer would have a better idea than I on its effects on trading the S&P! Smile...
"Don't tell my mother I trade futures. She thinks I play the piano in a whorehouse."
(with apologies to Jacques Seguela)

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