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Old May 21, 2017, 1:19pm   #33
 
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May and Trump are dictators?
Given that Trump would like to do away with Congress and the judiciary, what would you call him? Don't know about May.
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Old May 21, 2017, 1:46pm   #34
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Given that Trump would like to do away with Congress and the judiciary, what would you call him? Don't know about May.

Lots of politicians in democracies talk about wanting to do lots of things. Dictators just do them.
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Old May 21, 2017, 2:24pm   #35
 
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I think TM prefers no debate and much secrecy, makes parliament a bit of a nuisance along with the HoLs to her. This should be obvious with her conduct and behaviour but not obvious enough.

She rules out early elections and then no sooner as opportunity rears head opts to use the Fixed Term Parliament Act to call elections when both Labour and LibDems putting up little opposition.

She wishes to squash opposition from within her own party ofcourse but states it's the SNP and the others trying to undermine her hard Brexit negotiations.

Evades TV debate knowing she'll be shown up and will look silly answering tough questions with soundbites.

Clearly, Theresa May has decided on a snap general election because she wants to secure a big parliamentary majority before the full consequences of Brexit become 'obvious' to voters. Will the deal be put to parliament or another referendum for the people to vote knowing more precisely what they are voting for? Unlikely. Let the experts in her cabinet decide.

Whatever you want to believe, both US and the UK heading towards some uncharted and very risky times ahead, taken there by two hand holding schmuts imo. Leaders unite. These two have managed to split their two nations in half.

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She stayed quiet on this most outrageous headlines because it suits her to do so. She's just another pure egotistical politician - wannabe dictator same as Trump contained by the constitutions and our parliamentary systems. For now anyway.
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Old May 21, 2017, 2:32pm   #36
 
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If the people are themselves extremists, then they are getting exactly what they want. This holds true for everyone on your list.
The extremism issue is SO important imho. If the people vote in " the *******s " then we are in for a rough time.
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Old May 21, 2017, 3:31pm   #37
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I think TM prefers no debate and much secrecy, makes parliament a bit of a nuisance along with the HoLs to her. This should be obvious with her conduct and behaviour but not obvious enough.

She rules out early elections and then no sooner as opportunity rears head opts to use the Fixed Term Parliament Act to call elections when both Labour and LibDems putting up little opposition.

She wishes to squash opposition from within her own party ofcourse but states it's the SNP and the others trying to undermine her hard Brexit negotiations.

Evades TV debate knowing she'll be shown up and will look silly answering tough questions with soundbites.

Clearly, Theresa May has decided on a snap general election because she wants to secure a big parliamentary majority before the full consequences of Brexit become 'obvious' to voters. Will the deal be put to parliament or another referendum for the people to vote knowing more precisely what they are voting for? Unlikely. Let the experts in her cabinet decide.

Whatever you want to believe, both US and the UK heading towards some uncharted and very risky times ahead, taken there by two hand holding schmuts imo. Leaders unite. These two have managed to split their two nations in half.

Go figure.

Politicians (in democratic countries) will do anything legal to gain power and maintain power. Why would a political leader not do something that increased their power? Including diverting attention towards/away from particular issues/opponents: as long as lies are not involved she can say what she likes surely?

As for not appearing in TV debates, what politician would appear if they judged they had more to lose than to gain by doing so? Doesn't mean anything significant either way.

In the end, whatever the Government does only happens with the collective will of Parliament. Its our own fault in the end.
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Old May 21, 2017, 3:36pm   #38
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Given that Trump would like to do away with Congress and the judiciary, what would you call him? Don't know about May.

Also, you're rather de-valuing the very correct opposition to true dictatorial government by implying that if Trump and May are as truly as bad as real dictators, the real dictators are only as bad Trump and May.

The two sets of people are not comparable. I'm sure its better to live under a government you can demonstrate against and vote out in a few years time, than die under one you can't.
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Old May 21, 2017, 3:40pm   #39
 
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Politicians (in democratic countries) will do anything legal to gain power and maintain power. Why would a political leader not do something that increased their power? Including diverting attention towards/away from particular issues/opponents: as long as lies are not involved she can say what she likes surely?

As for not appearing in TV debates, what politician would appear if they judged they had more to lose than to gain by doing so? Doesn't mean anything significant either way.

In the end, whatever the Government does only happens with the collective will of Parliament. Its our own fault in the end.

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