Libyan rebels seize town amid deadly battle

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Libyan rebels said on Friday they had seized a key oil refinery town in some of the heaviest fighting of the rebellion that left "many dead, a claim denied by a senior government official.


With claim and counter-claim shifting with the battle lines in the North African country's desert sands, Venezuela said Libya had given it a green light to form a peace mission, a move already rejected by the rebels.


The fighting centred on the town of Raslanuf, where hundreds of jubilant rebels cheered and fired into the air late on Friday, saying they were in control.


An AFP reporter saw rebels positioned outside the Harouge Oil Operations compound, at the military barracks, police station and at the gates to a nearby residential area.


But in Tripoli the deputy foreign minister in Muammar al-Gaddafi's government, Khaled Kaaim, said "the government controls it: in Raslanuf, everything is calm."


Earlier a government source admitted that Braga, between Raslanuf and the rebel headquarters of Benghazi, was in rebel hands, only to be swiftly contradicted by a colleague, who said fighting there was still ongoing.


Rasnaluf is 200 kilometres (120 miles) east of Sirte, the Libyan strongman's hometown.


Heavy explosions and machine-gun fire could be heard in the desert 10 kilometres (six miles) east of Raslanuf, as truckloads of armed insurgents headed in that direction accompanied by ambulances.


"They are firing Grad rockets. I saw four people killed in front of me. A rocket hit them," said a rebel, who gave his name as Marai.


Meanwhile, state television said earlier Gaddafi's forces had wrested control of Zawiyah, 60 kilometres (40 miles) west of Tripoli and the location of a major oil refinery.


But a government official later said "pockets of resistance" remained, and a local politician vehemently denied the television report and said opposition forces were still in control of the town.


British Sky News journalist Alex Crawford said the town was "under siege" by Gaddafi's army and that residents feared an attack.


"They fear that they are going to be attacked tonight and they are digging in to try to defend themselves," Crawford said.


In an earlier television report from a hospital in Zawiyah, she said at least three people had died and there were up to 50 people wounded, seven of them critically. Two children were among those hurt.


Crawford said thousands of protesters, mainly unarmed, "were marching towards the military lines when the army opened fire using tanks, weapons. They fired several times, repeatedly at the protesters and they also used machine gun fire".


"A number of the protesters were hit and we're now in the hospital where a number of them have got bullet wounds to the back. Several ambulances were called and they were fired on as well," she said.


A doctor treating rebel casualties from fighting in Rasnaluf said there were "many dead and wounded," particularly from rocket fire, in the assault on the town.


"We saw people dying everywhere," a rebel volunteer, Abdul Rauf, told AFP on his way back from the front in a bloodstained vehicle.


In another incident, at least 19 people were killed and dozens wounded when twin blasts ripped through a weapons depot at the Al-Rajma military base, southeast of Benghazi, doctors said.


The cause of the explosions was not immediately clear, but most residents ruled out an air strike by Gaddafi loyalists.


Resident Abdallah Bubakr told AFP rebels turned up at the base demanding weapons to take to the front at Raslanuf.


"Two cars rode up with people at the place and said they wanted weapons to take to Raslanuf. They entered the store and just after they left Rajma, there was the first explosion, followed five minutes later by another," he said.


In Tripoli, meanwhile, police fired tear gas at around 100 anti-regime demonstrators in the Tajoura district of the capital after Friday prayers, a witness said. Another said opponents and supporters of the regime traded blows near the capital's Green Square.


Oil prices soared again because of the unrest. New York's light sweet crude for April delivery briefly surged past $104 a barrel to the highest level for two and a half years, while world powers watched anxiously, stymied by the need to act in unison against the Libyan strongman.


The European Union warned it could deploy warships to enforce an arms embargo on his country, while urging Tripoli that humanitarian workers be allowed into the country.


Venezuela's foreign minister said the peace mediation mission, already flatly rejected by a spokesman for the rebels, would be made up of "active and influential states of Latin America, Asia and Africa".


He said it would have the aim of "helping promote national dialogue with the aim of achieving security and stability for the Libyan people".


Nicolas Maduro, reading from a letter from his Libyan counterpart, said "we authorise you to take the necessary measures to select the members and coordinate their participation in this dialogue."


The UN refugee agency said Friday that fewer than 2,000 people had crossed the border into Tunisia on Thursday, compared with between 10,000 and 15,000 on previous days, citing the presence of heavily armed Gaddafi forces.


Those who did manage to cross told the UNHCR "their mobile phones had been confiscated en route, along with cameras," spokeswoman Melissa Fleming said in Geneva. "Many of those who have crossed the border appear to be frightened and are unwilling to speak."


Meanwhile, in Yemen, troops killed four protesters and wounded seven in the north of the country as nationwide protests raged against President Ali Abdullah Saleh.


But in Egypt new Prime Minister Essam Sharaf was cheered by crowds in Cairo as he promised to "exert all my effort to respond to your demands" and a referendum on constitutional change was set for March 19.


In Iraq, thousands of protesters massed in cities and towns across the country for rallies against corruption, unemployment and poor public services.


But the demonstrations were markedly smaller than those in more than a dozen cities a week ago, spurring Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to give his cabinet 100 days to shape up or face the sack.


And thousands of Jordanians also demonstrated on Friday in Amman to demand "regime reforms," a day after Prime Minister Maaruf Bakhit rejected calls for a constitutional monarchy.
 
I think the situation calls for Howard Cohodas.

He would single-handedly with his ladies' derringer, bring these mad Libyans to heel.

Having sorted out that mess by Tuesday or Wednesday, he could then move on to Afghanistan and Iraq and we could have all foreign troops out of the region by around March 20th at the latest.
 
I think the situation calls for Howard Cohodas.

He would single-handedly with his ladies' derringer, bring these mad Libyans to heel.

Having sorted out that mess by Tuesday or Wednesday, he could then move on to Afghanistan and Iraq and we could have all foreign troops out of the region by around March 20th at the latest.

Your first statement is correct - this does indeed call for Little Howie Cohodas (wannabe travel agent).

He could use his lady-derringer, but only as a last resort. Since you know about his lady-gun, presumably you know that he is a highly successful* concealed carry instructor? Please keep this quiet, Little Howie doesn't like to mention it. I think he would be quite cross if he knew that had got out somehow.

Anyway, Little Howie would prevail through communication - he is a great communicator, unlike most. Any failure of communication is not his fault.

* His success rate is phenomenal. He first got his own permit three weeks ago, and he set up his CC school the following day. Since then, he has had 7 students, only 4 of whom have shot their own johnsons off (plus one who blew one of his own plums away).
 
Yes, he certainly looks like a monster.

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A bit King Kongish I'd say.
 
Gaddafi is a monster. We need to go in and kill him and his supporters.

We do not need to do anything. We should not have interfered in Libya. Much as I sympathise with the rebels they must do their own thing.

How do we know that the new regime will be any better? Cameron is cutting everything only to spend it all on bombing them.
 
Split, we all know that once again it is all about oil.

Humanitarian issues are secondary to the saving of the oil supply although nobody will admit that of course.

I bet Mugabe is thanking his lucky stars that he doesn't have oil.
 
Split, we all know that once again it is all about oil.

Humanitarian issues are secondary to the saving of the oil supply although nobody will admit that of course.

I bet Mugabe is thanking his lucky stars that he doesn't have oil.


An his $80bn assets and wealth. That could help with the election campaign for some aspiring self proclaimed Etonite...
 
Split, we all know that once again it is all about oil.

Humanitarian issues are secondary to the saving of the oil supply although nobody will admit that of course.

I bet Mugabe is thanking his lucky stars that he doesn't have oil.

A fat lot of good the oil in Iraq has done us. If we do not stop interfering in wars they will bankrupt us. As far as I know, NATO is an organisation that provides mutual defense to its members. Is Libya a member? I don't know, for sure, but don't think so. What is NATO doing in Libya? No other member of NATO is bombing Libya except France, UK and US. I don't get this. If BP get taxed too much on its profits it will move its head office overseas and we will have to buy oil at world market prices, anyway, so where is the advantage of entering the Libyan conflict for its oil?
 
Politicians love their little wars.

This is a way for Dick Cameron to show us he is macho .............. NOT !!!!!!!!!!
 
A fat lot of good the oil in Iraq has done us. If we do not stop interfering in wars they will bankrupt us. As far as I know, NATO is an organisation that provides mutual defense to its members. Is Libya a member? I don't know, for sure, but don't think so. What is NATO doing in Libya? No other member of NATO is bombing Libya except France, UK and US. I don't get this. If BP get taxed too much on its profits it will move its head office overseas and we will have to buy oil at world market prices, anyway, so where is the advantage of entering the Libyan conflict for its oil?

NATO is a relic of the Cold War and an organisation looking for a purpose. It served us well until the Wall came down. Its constituents should be re-evaluated and re-formulated for modern purpose (eg interventionist peacekeeping/making/regime change, politicians' ego enhancer or whatever). It only has a convenient application in Libya because its command and control structure allows the USA to keep a hands-off approach (well - sort of!) and allow UK & France to settle old scores.
 
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NATO is a relic of the Cold War and an organisation looking for a purpose. It served us well until the Wall came down. Its constituents should be re-evaluated and re-formulated for modern purpose (eg interventionist peacekeeping/making/regime change, politicians' ego enhancer or whatever). It only has a convenient application in Libya because its command and control structure allows the USA to keep a hands-off approach (well - sort of!) and allow UK & France to settle old scores.

France got kicked into touch by the Turks. The Turks have masterminded this operation which the USA have embraced. Cameron is just simply second fiddle poodle to the US. Same ol story.

They have a history of managing the ME. So far so good imho. Right now Turks and US discussing what to do with Gaddafi. Looking for a country that will take him and what to do with his wealth. Situation has been maintained well. Giving face to Gaddafi and limiting human deaths. At the same time preventing sale of weapons to the so called rebels to butcher others. Oil is also flowing. Soft landing in sight despite what the BS regular papers say.

I concur with your assessment of NATO. But why get rid of something which has served us well. Next battle is the militerilisation of space and the US is leading with Russia and China catching up very fast.

Nuclear weapons will soon become outmoded.
 
An his $80bn assets and wealth. That could help with the election campaign for some aspiring self proclaimed Etonite...

I canot see UK coming out of this Libyan thing better off than we went in. Billions change hands, I agree, but it dosn't seem to come our way.

Now that we have started it it seems that it could end in Gadaffi still being there! If that is so, be sure that we are not going to be at the top of his popularity list.
 
I canot see UK coming out of this Libyan thing better off than we went in. Billions change hands, I agree, but it dosn't seem to come our way.

Now that we have started it it seems that it could end in Gadaffi still being there! If that is so, be sure that we are not going to be at the top of his popularity list.


I do. Way it works is - if you back the winning horse, you get to supply, build and train the army and infrastructure projects that will be required once the government and all offices are re-established. There are billions worth of contracts in there. That's why the Turks are so keen as they have something like $20bn invested and they are worried their services and investments will go unpaid. French and US no different.

Once you have a friendly regime then the Libya is your oyster. Not to mention intelligence and miscellaneous advantages. ie depriving France - one of our competitors of contacts. Spin-offs re:Africa and various membership of organisations and intelligences. How about strategic control over N.Africa and the Mediterranean.

Benefits are truly marvellous. So far hasn't cost us much at all. Remember - the military also needs to train and remain active to be effective. If Libya wasn't taking place our soldiers would be carrying out training activities and sorties else where.

Compared to Iraq Libya is very profitable - even more so (Iraq was also profitable but nothing that your average lay man on the street will notice much or benefit from).

**** world but that's life.

As for Gadaffi - I do not think there is any chance of him remaining in power. His party may have a representation but he will not have anything to do with it. Best /only option he has is retirement one way or another.
 
Split, we all know that once again it is all about oil.

Humanitarian issues are secondary to the saving of the oil supply although nobody will admit that of course.

I bet Mugabe is thanking his lucky stars that he doesn't have oil.

So what if its about oil?

Gaddafi is also an islamic terrorist so we get the oil when killing the terrorists. This is good for everyone.
 
So what if its about oil?

Gaddafi is also an islamic terrorist so we get the oil when killing the terrorists. This is good for everyone.

I haven't seen the UK getting any benefits from Iraqi oil, yet. Or the net benefits of anything much else, either.

I know that UK defense companies are rolling in the dividends but the UK taxpayer pays for the military intervention which amounts to billions. So the next time anyone moans about cuts in National Health, education and policing remember that it is all for the common good, and the cause of liberty abroad.
 
Will the falling oil prices due to Libyan tensions help the US$? :clap:
Libya’s oil output, and with the issues they have, the exports won’t reach full capacity. WTI oil futures open trading session over $108 a barrel as tensions in Libya and several oil exporting countries in the Middle East.
 
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