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Old Oct 26, 2007, 11:32am   #16
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So not many people wanting to learn to trade commodites. I am amazed as this is where many fortunes will be made over the next decade. Commods have gone main stream and the liquidity is exploding.

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Old Oct 26, 2007, 11:34am   #17
 
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yeah, I voted bonds but on 2nd thoughts favour crude oil much more
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Hi Trader_dante,

"There are also direct market accounts that will let you trade at any size you want" could you point any name for that..... (iam not sure, sorry if it is not allowed to say the name)

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Old Oct 26, 2007, 11:42am   #19
 
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So not many people wanting to learn to trade commodites. I am amazed as this is where many fortunes will be made over the next decade. Commods have gone main stream and the liquidity is exploding.

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I agree. But you will be able to take this method and use it on the market of your choice.
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Hi Trader_dante,

"There are also direct market accounts that will let you trade at any size you want" could you point any name for that..... (iam not sure, sorry if it is not allowed to say the name)

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Hi Fxbee, I believe Oanda (direct access forex broker) allow you to trade at any size you want. You can certainly trade in increments of a penny. They also offer a demo account. I am not affiliated with them in any way.
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Old Oct 26, 2007, 11:58am   #21
 
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yeah, I voted bonds but on 2nd thoughts favour crude oil much more
Hi Arb,

I favour Crude Oil too. But the basic principles I will show everyone can be applied to any market. I will show you something in this thread that many of you reading will use forever. It will change the way you look at charts.

Interestingly enough, I was reading a book on the Futures Markets only yesterday and it had a bar chart titled "Crude Oil Explodes on News of Hussein's Annexing Kuwait" and shows a sharp rise from around $15 to above $40. My eye was instantly drawn to that chart because right at the low was the price action that would have got me long on that trade.

I want everyone to know that this is not going to turn you into market wizards overnight but it will give you an edge in the market. It will give you the confidence to read the markets and trade high probability setups. Once you have this though, you still have to have the patience and the discipline and the risk management to execute your plan. This is the part that takes the time. I strongly believe that trading is a mind game all the way.
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Hi Fxbee, I believe Oanda (direct access forex broker) allow you to trade at any size you want. You can certainly trade in increments of a penny. They also offer a demo account. I am not affiliated with them in any way.
HI trader_dante

thanks mate, just checked with another fx broker, they too offer to trade in .01 lots...
i think everyone would believe to start at one point and go on with commodities or indices, just a choice of preference i voted for FX...

looking forward for your article......Go on mate...

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looking forward to this thread, good luck.sorry i voted fx

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Ive gone for FX, I'd suggest EURUSD as its probably the biggest market traded, 24 hours 6 days a week and will be good to see how the method copes with position or not prior to news data etc, low spreads too ,Oanda 0.9 spot spread on EUR USD so costs are attractive.

In short the whole world and his dog can follow it access free realtime charts 24 hrs a day, Unless we can get free realtime oil or other commods charts ??

Anyway I say FX.

Good luck with it..... anyhow, like you say people can tag the setup to their preferred market, so I dont know what the hell I'm going on about No surprise there....

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Going for crude oil - the price action will favour your method of trading...wizard
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Ive gone for FX, I'd suggest EURUSD as its probably the biggest market traded, 24 hours 6 days a week and will be good to see how the method copes with position or not prior to news data etc, low spreads too ,Oanda 0.9 spot spread on EUR USD so costs are attractive.

In short the whole world and his dog can follow it access free realtime charts 24 hrs a day, Unless we can get free realtime oil or other commods charts ??
This is a really good point. It is my feeling that you will learn much quicker if we are all on the same page watching the same market move in real time rather than trying to learn off a historical chart with entry and exit labels and the reasoning behind them.

While you will be able to take what you learn here and apply it anywhere, it's not going to be simple as "buy when the 50ema crosses over the 100". I have found some things work better on some markets rather than others. All markets have their individual characteristics.

So if we all decide to trade EUR/USD then I will teach you all the best way to trade that market and of course we will no doubt discover new things as we go along. But you probably won't find out the the little nuances that would make the strategy different when played in EUR/USD than it is when played in Crude Oil futures.

One difference with futures for example is that because it is not a 24 hour market, I don't place orders for the next session on the close because of the possibility of extreme slippage. That means that without incurring undue risk, you will never be in many patterns that look very good on the chart. With FX you don't have this problem.

Whatever market is chosen, I am going to trade it in real time with real money and show you what I am doing in here. You will learn much quicker if you can follow this.
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Hello trader_dante,

Your method sounds very, very similar to my own so I too am looking forward to following this thread.

I trade Indices, Forex and Gold and Oil so I've no particular preference to what should be focused on though I chose Indices for the vote.
I'm surprised commodities tend to get over-looked because they generally seem to trend quite reliably compared to some more popular markets.
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Old Oct 26, 2007, 5:11pm   #28
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For those who like commodities this is a fun site:

www.jimrogers.com

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Ex partner of George Soros, very much into an adventurous and fun lifestyle, as a trader he's totally fundamental, but hey nobody's perfect

Lots of good stuff on his site, he's writen some good books too.

Sorry for taking this off topic Dante, done now, and best of luck with your project here :-)
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Sorry for taking this off topic Dante, done now, and best of luck with your project here :-)
Not a problem. I've got a couple of Rogers' books. He is somewhat of a legend in commodities trading. Thanks for the link.

A word on "funnymentals"- this methodology ignores news. I take all setups regardless of news although people are free to tweak. If you are uncomfortable taking a setup just before a news release then no one willl force you to do it. I am just telling you what is working for me.

I have been trading this method properly for around five months now. The only time I happened to remember news having any impact at all on my positions was when I bought the FTSE (because of a setup) almost right at the bottom of the sharp August sell-off and was long when around an hour later there was the US surprise rate cut that put my position 254.5 points higher when I got back from lunch

I developed the method from two time tested and highly profitable ways of trading. It is a not a system that is going to be here today and gone tomorrow. I have read about many that are like this. They produce stellar returns for a year or more and then suddenly they no longer work when the markets inevitably change.

This method is based around price action. That is its foundation. Trading with price action will always give you an edge because these patterns reflect the behaviour of participants in the market place and peoples behaviour tends to repeat itself.
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Not a problem. I've got a couple of Rogers' books. He is somewhat of a legend in commodities trading. Thanks for the link.

A word on "funnymentals"- the methodology ignores news. I take all setups regardless of news although people are free to tweak. If you are uncomfortable taking a setup just before a news release then no one willl force you to do it. I am just telling you what is working for me.

I have been trading this properly for around five months now. The only time I happened to remember news having any impact at all on my positions was when I bought the FTSE (because of a setup) almost right at the bottom of the sharp August sell-off and was long when around an hour later there was the US surprise rate cut that put my position 254.5 points higher when I got back from lunch

Yes and a lot of accounts wiped out into the bargain

so i'm looking forward to how you deal with volatility at price extreme's

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