The Rumpled One (TRO OR Avery Horton)

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Old Oct 13, 2010, 1:50am   #31
 
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...The problem with most beginning traders is that they want trading shortcuts.
Really. And, how long have you been a trader?

The way I see it, one of the most destructive things that newbies have to content with are people like Avery (TRO) and those who shill for him. He's got to be Indicator Burner/Rip-Off King of the entire MQL world. He created "hundreds of his own indicators," is what another shill said for him. Really? Hundreds. How many of them does he use, exactly? I thought all one needed was a simple horizontal line to trade FX successfully.

So, for Avery, it takes hundreds of custom built indicators, but for the newbie, it takes a PayPal Donation and only one horizontal line on a chart? Sounds like a bit of a contradiction to me. Care to clarify any of this crooked schtick?

Or, was that simply: "...too "Zen like" for you?"


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P.P.S. Yes I have met and actually traded with Avery. He is egotistical and mysterious. But he is also very successful. And yes I have used that information to forge my own success.
Really. Exactly, how? I mean did you two meet at some undisclosed private location and share....what....an Ethernet connection? WiFi/Hotspot/80211g, what exactly? How did you manage to actually trade with Avery? How the heck does anyone "trade with" anyone else? Did you use his keyboard to place your trades? Did you log into your trading account from his machine, or yours? Did he tell you to click here, or click there - or don't click over there? Did you bring your FREE or PayPayl "TRO compiled Motherload" with you to this trading session?

I'm not saying that trading while around another person is impossible, but you said specifically that you "actually traded with Average," and reads a bit odd to me on the surface. I mean, with him? How does that work, exactly.

When you get done screwing around with Mr. Rip, Burn, and Repackage artist, then maybe you'll have enough time on your hands to really learn something about how this business works. Until then, keep getting Whiplashed to death by bottom and top hunting, when you have no idea whatsoever, where the High or Low will be for the day, week or month - which is precisely why you continually get "Whipped" to death.
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Old Oct 13, 2010, 3:46am   #32
 
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I agree with TN7 here.

I am sure there are many ways to learn to trade. I for one do not agree with the 'sit and watch charts for 3 hours a day' approach. I disagree with it because you have no idea what it is you should be looking for. I do think that some people are lucky enough to have someone point them in the right direction and if you have that, then 'screen staring' will help you discover if that approach is something you can develop. You will be armed with the knowledge of what to look for and then given time you will discover if it is something you can see yourself.

In terms of people like TRO - such people help to prevent traders from ever being succesful. They fill your head with nonsense, build a crowd of followers who will jump on you if you ever dare question them and have ego's the size of a house.

These are not the hallmarks of a mentor that is secure in his ability to generate money from trading, who will accept all questions without considering them an affront and will tell you that he can only impart his methods, not make them work for you.
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Old Oct 13, 2010, 5:25am   #33
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I agree with TN7 here.

I am sure there are many ways to learn to trade. I for one do not agree with the 'sit and watch charts for 3 hours a day' approach. I disagree with it because you have no idea what it is you should be looking for. I do think that some people are lucky enough to have someone point them in the right direction and if you have that, then 'screen staring' will help you discover if that approach is something you can develop. You will be armed with the knowledge of what to look for and then given time you will discover if it is something you can see yourself.

In terms of people like TRO - such people help to prevent traders from ever being succesful. They fill your head with nonsense, build a crowd of followers who will jump on you if you ever dare question them and have ego's the size of a house.

These are not the hallmarks of a mentor that is secure in his ability to generate money from trading, who will accept all questions without considering them an affront and will tell you that he can only impart his methods, not make them work for you.
Oh, dear! TRO, circle the wagons!

DT, dare I say it? TRO actually helped me!

There!

Remember that he is a scalper. There is a lot that longer term traders can't understand,
but amongst that lot I found something and, since then, I've left him in peace.

To coin a phrase

There are nuggets.
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Old Oct 15, 2010, 7:19pm   #34
 
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Oh, dear! TRO, circle the wagons!

DT, dare I say it? TRO actually helped me!

There!

Remember that he is a scalper. There is a lot that longer term traders can't understand,
but amongst that lot I found something and, since then, I've left him in peace.

To coin a phrase

There are nuggets.

Are you going to sit here and tell me that trading like a Rodent, using the Rodent rules, does not cause you to be Whiplashed half to death in markets that do not have enough sideways bandwidth?

Rat trading is nothing new. Its as old as the invention of the Candlestick! It is absolutely nothing more than Bottom or Top Fishing, and in the case of the Rat, it uses a standard 20 pip zone for buying or selling. The problem with this, is that the 20 pips "zone" is NOT a fixed variable in the market. The optimal buy/sell zone will fluctuate with the pair being traded AND the market conditions. Furthermore, if you get caught in one of these Currency Market Freight Trains moving North or South for extremely prolonged periods of time, and you are trading like a Rat, you will suffer systemic Whiplash and end up in a hospital undergoing a Spinal Tap!

Have you run this through a back-tester and produced an equity curve on the Rat methodology? Post those results and make sure you run the back-tests through vertical as well as horizontal markets.

Unless you can know with a high degree of certainty, where the Daily, Weekly, or Monthly High and/or Low is most likely to form, then you can expect nothing but Whiplash and Stopped Out trades by doing this consistently enough.

Post otherwise, if you can.
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Old Oct 15, 2010, 8:06pm   #35
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Are you going to sit here and tell me that trading like a Rodent, using the Rodent rules, does not cause you to be Whiplashed half to death in markets that do not have enough sideways bandwidth?

Rat trading is nothing new. Its as old as the invention of the Candlestick! It is absolutely nothing more than Bottom or Top Fishing, and in the case of the Rat, it uses a standard 20 pip zone for buying or selling. The problem with this, is that the 20 pips "zone" is NOT a fixed variable in the market. The optimal buy/sell zone will fluctuate with the pair being traded AND the market conditions. Furthermore, if you get caught in one of these Currency Market Freight Trains moving North or South for extremely prolonged periods of time, and you are trading like a Rat, you will suffer systemic Whiplash and end up in a hospital undergoing a Spinal Tap!

Have you run this through a back-tester and produced an equity curve on the Rat methodology? Post those results and make sure you run the back-tests through vertical as well as horizontal markets.

Unless you can know with a high degree of certainty, where the Daily, Weekly, or Monthly High and/or Low is most likely to form, then you can expect nothing but Whiplash and Stopped Out trades by doing this consistently enough.

Post otherwise, if you can.
I think that you have the wrong man. I don't, really, know what you are rattling on about.
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Old Feb 3, 2017, 3:19pm   #36
 
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Are you going to sit here and tell me that trading like a Rodent, using the Rodent rules, does not cause you to be Whiplashed half to death in markets that do not have enough sideways bandwidth?

Rat trading is nothing new. Its as old as the invention of the Candlestick! It is absolutely nothing more than Bottom or Top Fishing, and in the case of the Rat, it uses a standard 20 pip zone for buying or selling. The problem with this, is that the 20 pips "zone" is NOT a fixed variable in the market. The optimal buy/sell zone will fluctuate with the pair being traded AND the market conditions. Furthermore, if you get caught in one of these Currency Market Freight Trains moving North or South for extremely prolonged periods of time, and you are trading like a Rat, you will suffer systemic Whiplash and end up in a hospital undergoing a Spinal Tap!

Have you run this through a back-tester and produced an equity curve on the Rat methodology? Post those results and make sure you run the back-tests through vertical as well as horizontal markets.

Unless you can know with a high degree of certainty, where the Daily, Weekly, or Monthly High and/or Low is most likely to form, then you can expect nothing but Whiplash and Stopped Out trades by doing this consistently enough.

Post otherwise, if you can.
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