This "unemployment is a lagging indicator" mantra...

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Black Swan

that keeps getting peddled and pushed around by the talking heads in the media...are they for real?..."Oh yes, unemployment is rising, but will continue to do so for a while after the recovery is in full swing..." What fooking recovery? The greatest systemic collpase since the 1930's is supposedly over in 3 quarters? And what major corporations will be in a rush to re-employ in order to get their 'machine of operation' ticking over again?
 
Pessimism is probably going to be the new black, as they say.
The media/talking heads don't actually apply critical reasoning to anything - not everyone reporting on this stuff is a complete idiot (although many are) but even the moderately intelligent amongst them are seduced by their environment into thinking along the same lines as the fashion correspondents.

On the plus side, by the time my own finances are hitting the buffers the rest of the west will already be in meltdown, civilisation will have collapsed, and I know to use bodge tape to fix the kitchen knife to the broom handle and will therefore have an advantage over the Jeremy Kyle fan club who will have used sellotape to make their own spears. 2020+ will be a bull market for those with intelligence and a degree of determination... :sneaky:
 
What on earth are you on about? Gordon Brown saved the world. He said so himself!
 
As an experiment Shadowninja I just cut a sort of Bat shaped bit of cardboard out,
stuck it on the front of my torch,
and shone it on the clouds (we get a lot of clouds in scotland).

Surprisingly enough Gordon Brown didn't show up, so from this (admittedly small) sample of 'superhero saves the day' testing I'd have to query your recent assertion.
 
The talking heads should not be listened to at any cost. They roll all these mantras but back in late 2007/early 2008 they were saying that house prices WILL NOT fall further, that we WILL NOT go into a bear market; then they said we WILL NOT enter a recession.

Jobs are disappearing, but banks aren't lending to small and medium businesses (which they got the money for) so this means that businesses are failing and companies aren't hiring. Credit is also disappearing so retail etc will suffer. The plunge in house prices has also destroyed industries that were part of the boom- construction for example and the idea that we will enter a property bull market any time soon is ridiculous.

Bernanke even said yesterday, that the recession is "technically over" (based on consecutive quarters of GDP) which probably means a Japanese style 'lost decade'.
 
The talking heads should not be listened to at any cost. They roll all these mantras but back in late 2007/early 2008 they were saying that house prices WILL NOT fall further, that we WILL NOT go into a bear market; then they said we WILL NOT enter a recession.

Jobs are disappearing, but banks aren't lending to small and medium businesses (which they got the money for) so this means that businesses are failing and companies aren't hiring. Credit is also disappearing so retail etc will suffer. The plunge in house prices has also destroyed industries that were part of the boom- construction for example and the idea that we will enter a property bull market any time soon is ridiculous.

Bernanke even said yesterday, that the recession is "technically over" (based on consecutive quarters of GDP) which probably means a Japanese style 'lost decade'.

I'd suggest 15 years...the biggest difference/issue with this deep deep recession versus previous ones is the level of contrived spin govts and the media have colluded in. Bad news is buried, or constantly mistranslated on a day to day basis, we are witnessing a propoganda exercise akin to war efforts...

For example UK unemployment has risen by 700K+ since Jan, those numbers have been held back due to 200K public sector jobs being created over the last twelve months and the hundreds of thousands of middle class who can't sign on 'cos they have over 20K in savings. Once public sector cuts come in and the savings run out we're fooked IMHO...

Unemployment amongst the 16-24 age group is 20% and that doesn't take into consideration those that have just left UNI to discover the real world of 'opportunity' or the countless hundreds of thousands of yoofs off the radar or on a brickie course...:(
 
Bernanke even said yesterday, that the recession is "technically over" (based on consecutive quarters of GDP) which probably means a Japanese style 'lost decade'.

Was he winking at the camera as he said that?

The difference between Japan on the one hand and Britain and the USA on the other is that Japan isn't (or wasn't) a debtor nation at the start of its recession. We are in much worse shape.

Dave,
You could try the Bat-Phone. If you haven't got one, simulate by putting your ordinary phone under the glass dome of one of those large cheeseboards.

I know, it's got about as much chance of working as Gordon Brown has of saving the world (or even the UK).
 
It's a jobless recovery.

What this means is that the bankers are getting their bonuses again, Goldman has found new inventive ways to screw reail investors and consumers are still jobless.

We can all obviously breathe a sigh of relief now.

Pete
 
As an experiment Shadowninja I just cut a sort of Bat shaped bit of cardboard out,
stuck it on the front of my torch,
and shone it on the clouds (we get a lot of clouds in scotland).

Surprisingly enough Gordon Brown didn't show up, so from this (admittedly small) sample of 'superhero saves the day' testing I'd have to query your recent assertion.


Did you try it with a cardboard cutout of a phallus as well? or just a bat?
 
Unemployment amongst the 16-24 age group is 20% and that doesn't take into consideration those that have just left UNI to discover the real world of 'opportunity'

Are you saying that all those graduates with a degree in "Media Studies" may not find work relating to their qualification ? Who' d have thought it :)


Paul
 
Bad news is buried, or constantly mistranslated on a day to day basis, we are witnessing a propoganda exercise akin to war efforts...

What fooking recovery? The greatest systemic collpase since the 1930's is supposedly over in 3 quarters? And what major corporations will be in a rush to re-employ in order to get their 'machine of operation' ticking over again?

You're stronger than me mate. I've been doubting myself ever since the S&P found support after it rallied on the back of that unaudited earning report from GS.

So much coercion everywhere now and I'm too experienced to know what the hell to look :-S
 
Recovery talk is meaningless to the man with his P45 in the post

Unemployment is the only indicator that counts when it comes to confidence, says Jeff Randall.

For those with a vested interest in talking up recovery – and there are plenty of them – this has been a good week. As if performing the hit song from Gold Diggers of Broadway, they have been painting the clouds with sunshine.

Profligate ministers, ineffective regulators and reckless bankers who conspired, albeit unwittingly, to create this humdinger of a financial crisis are delighted to identify salvation's early arrival: property prices are up, the jobs market is improving, and the stock market seems more like a playground than a graveyard.

Yippee! There is no need to adjust our sets, normal service has been resumed. The world has been saved; the recession is over. Load up the charabanc with fizzy pop, we're off to the races.

Nice theory, shame about the facts. What has really happened is that a seriously sick British economy has been pumped full of anaesthetic in the form of unprecedented monetary expansion and debt-funded government largesse.

Not surprisingly, with the narcotics of fantasy money and unaffordable public spending rushing through its veins, the patient suddenly looks a little perkier. But these are tranquillisers, not a panacea. They do not eliminate the illness, they merely mask it.

"The patient is still in need of major surgery, and will eventually have to be weaned off the painkillers," says Professor Andrew Clare of Cass Business School. "Debt burdens [private and public] will have to be addressed eventually."

Yes they will. As annual state borrowing approaches £200 billion, about 13 per cent of gross domestic product, the United Kingdom's credit card is all but maxed out.

So what kind of essential surgery does Professor Clare envisage? "Savage cuts in public spending, painful increases in taxation and increases in household saving rates." The side effect of the unavoidable operation, he says, "will be a very muted growth environment".

As any addict knows, what begins as a gentle dose of ibuprofen can turn into a dependency on ever bigger intakes. The British economy, I'm afraid, is beginning to resemble a raging junkie, craving regular fixes of quantitative easing and fiscal stimulus. No sooner do Mervyn King and Alistair Darling administer the drugs than the patient screams for more.

Just like painkillers, when policy medication is dished out too generously, it transmutes from pacifier to problem. At a recent high of $1,000 an ounce, the gold price is telling us what this problem might be – inflation.

Faced with three options for eliminating excessive debt – defaulting on it, repaying it through higher taxes or debauching the currency through inflation – governments, on the whole, prefer the latter. Gold buyers, especially the Chinese, fear that this is where Britain and America are heading.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...less-to-the-man-with-his-P45-in-the-post.html
 
Recovery talk is meaningless to the man with his P45 in the post

Yes I completely agree and this is what will matter at the election. People will not be fooled by the nonsense that things are getting better and will vote on how they feel economically now compared to the last election.

Its good to see that Jeff Randall has found new talents after the end of the 1960s TV show "Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased)" where he was a detective who solved crimes with the aid of the ghost of his former business partner :)


Paul
 
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