Emigration rates of countries

[hhiusa]

Why? You clearly wanted to compare nations, not cities or towns.

How many murders in the USA in the last 30 years?

I was asking you to look up those figures for me because you already found them for the US and UK. If you found them for the US and UK, then why not compare where we live. If you live in Birmingham, you don't benefit from low crime in London. I am not saying there is low crime London. It is just for illustration.

The murder rate in the US is 4.7/100,000. I was asking why for another reason. Electricity is cheap already. "Petrol" is half the price here. Why would I want to pay twice as much there? The unemployment rate is 3.4% in Newport Beach and 4.1% for Orange County. Something on the other side of my country doesn't affect me as much as something on the other side of your country would. The unemployment rate around me is lower than London or England. I used London because it is a wealthier city in England. I find it interesting that London is a very wealthy city and yet it has quite high unemployment and crime is not the lowest in the country. I am not bothered by the unemployment rate as I am not going to fire myself. The health care is more expensive, but you get what you pay for in my experience.

Interestingly enough, even though guns are illegal in England, that doesn't stop Birmingham from being the gun crime capital of the UK.

 

[ffsear]

Something on the other side of my country doesn't affect me as much as something on the other side of your country would.

I think there are quite a few ex home owners in the US that would disagree with you there!

 

[ffsear]

Interestingly enough, even though guns are illegal in England, that doesn't stop Birmingham from being the gun crime capital of the UK.

Yes of the 29 fatalities resulting from offences involving firearms in 2013/14, a slight higher proportion of the 29 were in Birmingham. Excellent point and very well made! How does that comapre with your 12,561 in 2014?

Does the USA have a "gun capital"? or is it literally everywhere?

 

[hhiusa]

I think there are quite a few ex home owners in the US that would disagree with you there!

If you lived here in California or bothered to do some research you'd know not everyone was affected by the subprime mortgage lending. I will say it again not everyone is always affected due its size. Coastal Orange County was affected only insofar as the property values grew a little bit slower than usual. It would be interesting to see if anyone at coast lost their home in OC.

It is always a pleasure watching you cherry pick what you will respond to. You chose one statement to respond to. Wealthier cities here don't have gun violence and guns are legal. Guns illegal in England and yet Birmingham has a big problem with them. Why does a wealthy city like London have higher crime than some cities that are not as well off?

 

[ffsear]

. Wealthier cities here don't have gun violence and guns are legal. Guns illegal in England and yet Birmingham has a big problem with them. Why does a wealthy city like London have higher crime than some cities that are not as well off?

What are you talking about?? Which cities don't have gun crime??

A number of U.S. cities have gun homicide rates in line with the most deadly nations in the world.

If it were a country, New Orleans (with a rate 62.1 gun murders per 100,000 people) would rank second in the world.

Detroit's gun homicide rate (35.9) is just a bit less than El Salvador (39.9).

Baltimore's rate (29.7) is not too far off that of Guatemala (34.8).

Gun murder in Newark (25.4) and Miami (23.7) is comparable to Colombia (27.1).

Washington D.C. (19) has a higher rate of gun homicide than Brazil (18.1).

Atlanta's rate (17.2) is about the same as South Africa (17).

Cleveland (17.4) has a higher rate than the Dominican Republic (16.3).

Gun murder in Buffalo (16.5) is similar to Panama (16.2).

Houston's rate (12.9) is slightly higher than Ecuador's (12.7).

Gun homicide in Chicago (11.6) is similar to Guyana (11.5).

Phoenix's rate (10.6) is slightly higher than Mexico (10).

Los Angeles (9.2) is comparable to the Philippines (8.9).

Boston rate (6.2) is higher than Nicaragua (5.9).

New York, where gun murders have declined to just four per 100,000, is still higher than Argentina (3).

Even the cities with the lowest homicide rates by American standards, like San Jose and Austin, compare to Albania and Cambodia respectively.

 

[malaguti]

What are you talking about?? Which cities don't have gun crime??

you see this is part of the problem, our mate doesn't get to travel outside. he is not interested in other US cities because it doesn't quite affect his little view of the world.
He will just keep on retorting and trying to justify (by arguing incessantly like a child) why its everyone else that needs to emigrate but not him, because he can't probably find a seat on a plane big enough..

Aer-o-plane, thats a BIG thing with wings and flies in the air, and not a bird :whistling

 

[ffsear]

"um a gonna troll a bunch of brits, and um a gonna use gun crime as an example"

Pure genius!

 

[new_trader]

What are you talking about?? Which cities don't have gun crime??

A number of U.S. cities have gun homicide rates in line with the most deadly nations in the world.

If it were a country, New Orleans (with a rate 62.1 gun murders per 100,000 people) would rank second in the world.

Detroit's gun homicide rate (35.9) is just a bit less than El Salvador (39.9).

Baltimore's rate (29.7) is not too far off that of Guatemala (34.8).

Gun murder in Newark (25.4) and Miami (23.7) is comparable to Colombia (27.1).

Washington D.C. (19) has a higher rate of gun homicide than Brazil (18.1).

Atlanta's rate (17.2) is about the same as South Africa (17).

Cleveland (17.4) has a higher rate than the Dominican Republic (16.3).

Gun murder in Buffalo (16.5) is similar to Panama (16.2).

Houston's rate (12.9) is slightly higher than Ecuador's (12.7).

Gun homicide in Chicago (11.6) is similar to Guyana (11.5).

Phoenix's rate (10.6) is slightly higher than Mexico (10).

Los Angeles (9.2) is comparable to the Philippines (8.9).

Boston rate (6.2) is higher than Nicaragua (5.9).

New York, where gun murders have declined to just four per 100,000, is still higher than Argentina (3).

Even the cities with the lowest homicide rates by American standards, like San Jose and Austin, compare to Albania and Cambodia respectively.

These anti-gun statistics omit so many other factors that it distorts the truth about gun violence in the USA. You will never hear the other side of the gun ownership story, you have to do some real research for that. The establishment goes out if its way to keep people ill-informed.

 

[Forexmospherian]

I was asking you to look up those figures for me because you already found them for the US and UK. If you found them for the US and UK, then why not compare where we live. If you live in Birmingham, you don't benefit from low crime in London. I am not saying there is low crime London. It is just for illustration.

The murder rate in the US is 4.7/100,000. I was asking why for another reason. Electricity is cheap already. "Petrol" is half the price here. Why would I want to pay twice as much there? The unemployment rate is 3.4% in Newport Beach and 4.1% for Orange County. Something on the other side of my country doesn't affect me as much as something on the other side of your country would. The unemployment rate around me is lower than London or England. I used London because it is a wealthier city in England. I find it interesting that London is a very wealthy city and yet it has quite high unemployment and crime is not the lowest in the country. I am not bothered by the unemployment rate as I am not going to fire myself. The health care is more expensive, but you get what you pay for in my experience.

Interestingly enough, even though guns are illegal in England, that doesn't stop Birmingham from being the gun crime capital of the UK.

Actually its Nottingham that is the Gun crime City of the UK

Problem is here though - we are comparing apples with oranges

In the UK - even having your cycle nicked is listed under the rules as a serious crime - ( well nearly ;-) ) whereas in the US - it's like your gallons of fuel - its calculated differently - a stabbing or a serious offence seems to get a low rating and not in the major definition - in fact you need to see at least 3 people shot to be registered with serious - compared to someone in the UK seen with just a "fake gun"

The US's calculations on everything connected with its economy and its government are noted by the rest of the world as being "iffy" at best and a far way from the facts in reality.

All the figures are massaged - the US are the best in the world for cheating - so that's one title you can add to the lists of facts

Regards

F

 

[ffsear]

Time for a commercial break....

 

[hhiusa]

What are you talking about?? Which cities don't have gun crime??

A number of U.S. cities have gun homicide rates in line with the most deadly nations in the world.

If it were a country, New Orleans (with a rate 62.1 gun murders per 100,000 people) would rank second in the world.

Detroit's gun homicide rate (35.9) is just a bit less than El Salvador (39.9).

Baltimore's rate (29.7) is not too far off that of Guatemala (34.8).

Gun murder in Newark (25.4) and Miami (23.7) is comparable to Colombia (27.1).

Washington D.C. (19) has a higher rate of gun homicide than Brazil (18.1).

Atlanta's rate (17.2) is about the same as South Africa (17).

Cleveland (17.4) has a higher rate than the Dominican Republic (16.3).

Gun murder in Buffalo (16.5) is similar to Panama (16.2).

Houston's rate (12.9) is slightly higher than Ecuador's (12.7).

Gun homicide in Chicago (11.6) is similar to Guyana (11.5).

Phoenix's rate (10.6) is slightly higher than Mexico (10).

Los Angeles (9.2) is comparable to the Philippines (8.9).

Boston rate (6.2) is higher than Nicaragua (5.9).

New York, where gun murders have declined to just four per 100,000, is still higher than Argentina (3).

Even the cities with the lowest homicide rates by American standards, like San Jose and Austin, compare to Albania and Cambodia respectively.

You seem incapable of reading anything. That is the problem with not living here, you wouldn't know any of the smaller cities. Additionally, you have not listed any cities remotely close to me. Los Angeles is about 60 miles (100 km) from Newport Beach. You ask but you do not listen. What cities you say. Malibu, Manhattan Beach, Coast Orange County i.e., Newport Beach, Laguna Beach to name a few there, Cambria, Carmel the list goes on. You list the largest cities in the country. Huge cities have a great deal of diversity and income disparity, which always leads to a high rate of crime. I hardly ever travel into Los Angeles county let alone Los Angeles.

Do you have any sources besides a picture? No one I know wants to live in San Jose or Austin. Those places are disgusting for the reasons you mentioned.

New York
Watermill, Southampton, Easthampton, Bridgehampton, Hampton Bays, East Quogue ...

California
La Jolla, Del Mar, Solana Beach, Laguna Beach, Irvine, Coto de Caza, Ladera Ranch, Newport Beach ...

 

[ffsear]

You seem incapable of reading anything. That is the problem with not living here, you wouldn't know any of the smaller cities.

But you classed London as a wealthy city! And asked why it had high crime! Do you know the Difference between Chelsea and Thornton Heath?

All of our cities have diversity. Otherwise there just towns and villages.

The idea that your smaller segregated cities suffer from less gun crime dosen't mean jack when you look at the bigger issue.

 

[ffsear]

You will never hear the other side of the gun ownership story, .

Please, i'l all ears! And that graph was only murder, it didnt included gun relate incidents such as armed robberies. God only knows what that would look like. Just 1 massive blue circle i should imagine.

 

[ffsear]

Anyway, i bid you farewell. I'm off to Barcelona tomorrow for 4 days tomorrow morning for a little bit of "culture" and must get my sleep.

 

[hhiusa]

But you classed London as a wealthy city! And asked why it had high crime! Do you know the Difference between Chelsea and Thornton Heath?

Chelsea is a neighborhood in London. London is a city with many boroughs like New York City. Manhattan is just a borough. Chelsea is in the royal borough of Kensington and Thornton Heath is in the borough of Croydon. I would personally prefer to have a place in Chelsea over Thornton Heath, especially if it was on Egerton Crescent. I was talking about London, I was referring to entire city. I made no such comments about certain neighborhoods.

All of our cities have diversity. Otherwise there just towns and villages.

Absolutely untrue. Richmond Upon Thames 86% white, 7% asian, 1.5% black.
City of London - 78%.6 white, 12.7% asian, 2.6% black. That is not very diverse. White as defined here is white non-latino non-hispanic.

Newport Beach - white alone 87.3%, asian 7%, black 0.7%

White

Black

The idea that your smaller segregated cities suffer from less gun crime dosen't mean jack when you look at the bigger issue.

More people in a concentrated area always means more crime. Being densely populated is highly comorbid with increased diversity and minority groups and higher crime.

http://londondatastore-upload.s3.amazonaws.com/dataset/unemployment-rate-region/unemployment-region.xls

 

[hhiusa]

Please, i'l all ears! And that graph was only murder, it didnt included gun relate incidents such as armed robberies. God only knows what that would look like. Just 1 massive blue circle i should imagine.

I am curious about your @ffsear researched evidence against @new_trader

 

[Pat494]

What really worries me about the USA alliances is the very poor leadership that has been offered by the USA to it's allies. We in the UK managed to avoid being dragged into the disastrous Vietnam war thanks to Harold Wilson but Tony Blair fell right into the Iraq/Afghanistan disaster ( nice job given to him afterwards, so he did alright for himself ? ) The USA's allies lost lives and lots of money with no positive results at all. Not good enough.

 

[hhiusa]

What really worries me about the USA alliances is the very poor leadership that has been offered by the USA to it's allies. We in the UK managed to avoid being dragged into the disastrous Vietnam war thanks to Harold Wilson but Tony Blair fell right into the Iraq/Afghanistan disaster ( nice job given to him afterwards, so he did alright for himself ? ) The USA's allies lost lives and lots of money with no positive results at all. Not good enough.

And yet the US is still a hegemon. :clap:

 

[Pat494]

And yet the US is still a hegemon. :clap:

Only because the alternatives are even worse.
I think democracy is on it's way out. Its fumbling uselessness is being amply demonstrated by the EU on a political level with Greece.

And also demonstrated by the US on a political/military basis in The Middle East, where it doesn't have a cohesive policy that anyone but the desperate can sign up to. The US ME policy is almost entirely shackled to Israel's interests and very costly it is too.

 

[hhiusa]

Only because the alternatives are even worse.
I think democracy is on it's way out. Its fumbling uselessness is being amply demonstrated by the EU on a political level with Greece.

And also demonstrated by the US on a political/military basis in The Middle East, where it doesn't have a cohesive policy that anyone but the desperate can sign up to. The US ME policy is almost entirely shackled to Israel's interests and very costly it is too.

Well that's socialist Europe for you. As we are seeing with Greece, socialism may be on its way out.