Forex

Do Brokers Really Care About You?

In this article I will examine more closely the common belief that those darn Forex brokers are “running” or “hunting” our stop loss orders. First, let’s define what this means. Running or hunting stops basically means that you enter a long (short) position with a sell (buy)stop loss a few pips below (above) your entry. The price action then comes to your stop order, takes you out, then the price action immediately reverses direction – often going directly to your first price target! Has anyone had this happen to them before? Do a quick internet search and you will find tens of thousands of references to this.

There are two main problems with this belief. The first is the psychology involved with this belief. Do you REALLY believe that the Forex broker is going after YOUR order? Is your position so important to the Forex broker’s profit and loss that they will run the market up or down to take you out so they can book the spread on one more trade today? In every class I teach, this topic comes up and invariably several students chime in with examples of how those brokers “ran” their stops. How large must your ego be to believe that the broker is lying in wait to execute your stop?! Does the trade desk then give each other a bunch of high-fives and cheer that they took you out? Hardly. What more than likely happened is that the price action ran to the HUGE CLUSTER of stop loss orders and then turned. There is plenty of debate out there about this topic including discussions on dealing desks, ECN brokers, etc. Unfortunately, this debate is too long and complicated for this article.

The second problem with having your stop loss order ran is more than likely the fact that you have your stop placed too tightly. Too small of a stop is as bad as too wide of a stop! Many beginning traders think that a 3-5 pip stop is a great idea. Sounds good on paper, I know. But when you consider that spread of 1-4 pips and an Average True Range of 10 pips (for example), these small stops will cause you to have many unnecessary small losses. What I show in every class is the common technique of placing your stop just on the other side of the classic support and resistance lines. Why would I show this? To prove the point that ZONES of supply and demand will be more effective in your trading!

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Figure 1

Using this example of the GBPUSD on a fifteen minute chart, this trader draws in their support/resistance line just like many trading manuals teach. They enter a short position near the 1.6189 level with a stop a few pips above. How many dozens or hundreds of traders on the planet took the same trade with their stop near the same level? A few candles later all of those buy stop orders got hit.

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Figure 2

Using the above supply and demand zones, our second trader is still looking to enter a short trade near the 1.6189 level – however, their stop loss will be placed ABOVE the supply zone defined by the yellow box at approximately 1.6212 and their first target near 1.6135. This gives a risk to reward ratio of over 1:2 (~23 pip stop and ~53 pip target) at only target 1! Looking further back on the chart, we can see a demand zone from Feb 25 of 1.6029-1.6070. This now gives a risk to reward ratio of about 1:5 (~23 pip stop with ~120 pip target)!

So what is the take away on this lesson? Don’t use the classic support and resistance levels for your stop losses – if you do, there is a good chance your stop will get “run” like all those traders who use the manuals for their trading techniques. When properly identified, supply and demand zones will help prevent this from happening.

Rick Wright can be contacted at The Online Trading Academy

Rick studied economics and psychology at Iowa State University, and entered into the brokerage business in 1992. He earned the NASD Series 4,7,9,10,24,55,63, and 65 licenses. He helped grow an online brokerage business which was eventually sold off. Rick has also held positions as broker, branch manager, and several VP positions in the brokerage business.Rick began trading equities in 1997, and was introduced to the Forex market in 2002. Currently trading from home in Dallas, Rick is also a frequent contributor to various TV and business talk radio shows.Rick is currently a Personal Trading Plan Instructor for Equities, Forex and E-mini Futures with The Online Trading Academy

Rick studied economics and psychology at Iowa State University, and entered into the brokerage business in 1992. He earned the NASD Series 4,7,9,10,24...

nunrgguy

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And the fact that everyone knows where stops are just outside support and resistance zones is another reason not to put them there. If you're going to play it that way it's much better to have an even wider stop (say 3ATR) which is a disaster stop only and having your 'get out line' where you suggest having the stop. You only close the trade if price actually closes beyond your line, not price merely touching it.
 

alan5616

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Half the picture

The author seems to have never heard of "Virtual Dealer", produced by Boston Technologies. This is a plug in, for brokers using the MT4 platform, and can be programmed to trade against the client. The program options include slippage, requotes and terminal disconnects at appropriate times.
 

advfntrader

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surely this is against FSA regulations to use the program like that ?
 

pboyles

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surely this is against FSA regulations to use the program like that ?
They'd have to catch them first and in any case a lot of brokers are offshore. Gain Capital aka forex.com were caught and heavily fined though not to the extent that it would deter others. I doubt the virtual dealer plugin is the only piece of software out there.
 

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