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Some of you who watch the U.S. Equity markets may have seen the move in the casino stocks today. The initial rise, quite substantial, was due to news that the Macau government will not be allowing any MORE casino licenses. This would give companies like MGM, WYNN, and LVS (Las Vegas Sands) more of a secure edge in that developing gold mine. More importantly, I knew it was behind a building buying frenzy that would most likely run a few more points very quickly, in all three of these symbols.

Here's my trade.

Heard news

Tried to buy at 69.6, then at 69.8, and so on
Finally Paid up and got 1200 shares. (chasing, my first mistake)

1200 Shares Long
Avg entry: 70.50
Avg exit: 70.01

In less than a minute after my entry, I was almost 2 points, when the stock reached ~72.45.

My thoughts while this was happening:

I bought high on the rise, I should expect a substantial pullback. This has not been a hot sector the last few weeks, like Agriculture or Oil, so It's not going to keep going on forever, buyers will let up, profits will be taken, pullback may be 1.5-2 points before this run continues, if it does.

so, when I saw it hit 72.45, I went ahead and entered my exit order for 72.20. (Waiting, Second mistake)

I was too late, stock immediately dropped back to 71.25 in seconds. I waited, HOPING it would coninue its run up. Third and 4th, the worst mistakes occured here and continued all the way until the stock hit 70.01 and I finally got out.

I cant believe I let this trade go so badly.

1st mistake: I shouldn't have chased. I know how these things can move, I should have just crossed it up to begin with to get my entry. Paying a 20 cent spread is nothing in a 3 point move if you only have seconds to get in.

2nd mistake: I knew how high on the run I was, and expected a substancial pullback. Instead of waiting for the stock to hit my 2 point target, I should have entered my orders at 1.75+ to begin with. Then I would have locked in $2100 in a matter of seconds to start my day.

3rd and fatal mistake: Trade wasn't exited properly like it should have been, but I've still got .75 points profit. TAKE IT...I didn't. Nor did i when it eroded to 0.50... 0.25...so foolish.

4th and worst mistake, I broke my cardinal rule and let this winning trade turn into a loser, and a substantial one at that.

For some reason ever since I got back from vacation at the end of March it's like I forgot all the things I have trained myself to do without emotion. So frustrating, and although I ended up even on the day, this still stings like... Any thoughts?
 
Never forget today. It will remind you not to do it again. I think they're mistakes we all make from time to time. Just have to know how to manage them so it doesn't hurt us badly.
 
Thanks for sharing that. It typifies mistakes we all make at times, but is part and parcel of the whole trading "experience" we call work.


The lesson to be learnt from that is don't ever trade casino stocks on the
22nd April 2008 again :cheesy:
 
Is there some irony there...you broke your rules so in effect it was more gambling than trading!

Some don't agree but i tend to have a firm stop on and once in profit by X amount, move stop so as i will get out for at least a small turn after comm.

(except on Friday when i didn't put it on straight away so thought i'd do a manual stop and watch my loss grow and grow as i didn't pull the trigger)

and expensive reminder to us all that the market know best!
 
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Is there some irony there...you broke your rules so in effect it was more gambling than trading!

I think I understand what you may be getting at here. But, dont you think it's a little rash to change the entire nature of what I was doing into "gambling" due to broken rules? I would say it made me a bad trader before I would say it made me a gambler. After all, professional gamblers have rules. And when they continually break them they become degenerate gamblers. So along that logic, I was acting as a degenerate trader. Ha, it doesn't sound any better, but it helps more to look at it that way I think.

As for the firm stops...I wish I could. My trading software system is great, but one thing it does lack is an efficient stop placing method. All stops that are triggered immediately enter a market order to the specialist on the exchange. At times that is the last kind of order you want to get out on. Especially if you're trading on (SC)AMEX
 
Thanks for the input y'all

Is there some irony there...you broke your rules so in effect it was more gambling than trading!

I think I understand what you may be getting at here. But, dont you think it's a little rash to change the entire nature of what I was doing into "gambling" due to broken rules? I would say it made me a bad trader before I would say it made me a gambler. After all, professional gamblers have rules. And when they continually break them they become degenerate gamblers. So along that logic, I was acting as a degenerate trader. Ha, it doesn't sound any better, but it helps more to look at it that way I think.

As for the firm stops...I wish I could. My trading software system is great, but one thing it does lack is an efficient stop placing method. All stops that are triggered immediately enter a market order to the specialist on the exchange. At times that is the last kind of order you want to get out on. Especially if you're trading on (SC)AMEX
 
This is my opinion sm.

Professional gamblers are Professional traders (we speculate primarily for money not for the thrill).

Impulsive unplanned trades happen for some reason. Typically those impulses would also drive a gambler. And if you notice you are trading for thrill you are definitely falling into the gambling camp.

If you construct a tested trading plan and trade that plan you are acting primarily to earn money. You are also acting as a professional would.

Any time people wing it, get a thrill, get involvement, but are not acting on a plan then they are NOT professionals. Whether they are foolish traders, impulsive traders, traders repeating a conditioned response (pavlov's dog traders) or gamblers is a trickier diagnosis.

You are repeating a number of classic errors - I recommend Mark Douglas's Trading in the Zone to understand them and provide a framework for moving past them (also do a search for Mark on the site to get an idea about his ideas).
 
Thanks nine.

I'm definitely not trading for the thrill, so that's not it. Of course, making money is exciting, but that's not the driving factor for trading in general and especially not for entering a trade. This is my job and I am there to make money.

However, I have only been trading for a living for nine months now, so I am still strengthening my psychology. Without strengthening it I will continue to have lapses where I make mistakes based impulse or on emotions like greed. I think it was a combination of those two that had me abandon my plan for this particular trade.

I generally don't trade based on news, also. I do in select circumstances and it's usually based on a situation that I have been watching and interpreting before I know what the news is. Most of my trading setups are based on level II, the specialist's open book, and reading the time and sales. In this case I was formulating my trade before I heard the news, because it read like positive news, and then I pulled the trigger when I heard the news. Often I stay away from these trades because of the very reason that it is difficult to plan an exit. Generally I scale orders between my entry and my target and wait to get hit. This time, I failed to do that. All mistakes after that come down to greed, I think, and that is something I definitely can not afford to have.

I have read excerpts from that book but never the whole book. I will pick it up. Thanks again
 
Actually i was just being a bit sarcastic, casino stocks...gambling.................

If you'd traded a recycling company i might have said that was a rubbish trade..........
 
I hadnt seen that last response, but now I see what you meant. I guess I was lacking a sense of humor that day...funny how that happens when I lose money
 
USE a gall darn STOP LIMIT!

Place your buy...then the stop @ whatever loss is acceptable and the limit for taking profit.
If all goes well, you let it run and make a profit.

If all goes wrong, you get stopped out automatically at your price...unless the market gets choppy, then you may lose more than expected.
 
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