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Hi,

I have been trading for around 4 yrs with a moderate degree of success, I have predominantly written options in currency & commodity markets.

I am know looking to trade positions on the underlying markets, I am looking at purchasing some software that analyse the markets in greater detail, I have heard, read and followed live forecasts from Elliottician (Richard Swannell).

Has anyone used there Elliot wave platform or have any feedback good or bad???

Many thanks

Lloyd
 
Elliottician and RIchard Swannell exposed

Richard Swannell is a convicted fraud!
Fact:
The CFTC (Commodities and Futures Trading Commission are
prosecuting Richard Swannell in a court of law because he keeps making
dishonest claims)
http://www.cftc.gov/opa/enf03/opa4789-03.htm
Fact:
Richard Swannell has been successfully prosecuted by the Australian Securities
and Investments Commission for distributing his software without a license
http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/asic_pu...romoter+of+share-trading+program?openDocument
Richard Swannell signed an undertaking that he would not continue to promote his software without a license yet he continues
to do so through Elliottician LLC

Question:
If you taught an Indian orphan how to take on and beat the finest finance minds in the world and win consistently, wouldn't the media beat
a path to your door and give you all the free publicity you would ever need?
This thought never crossed the mind of Richard Swannell. In his unquenchable lust for money and power, he has decided to raise
hundreds of thousands ofdollars to fund his "Orphans Winning on Wall Street" Documentary." Why does he have to raise hundreds of
thousands of dollars for a documentary when Sixty Minutes would run a story providing millions of dollars worth of valuable free
publicity when he accomplishes the feat? It looks to me that he is raising the money to in a tax free manner to fund his own lavish
lifestyle under the pretence of "doing good" in the community.

This reminds of the many fraud evangeical preachers such as the Bakers of the 80s. Look what happened to them! They got
everyone high on Jesus while they picked their pockets in a tax free manner and lived extravagant un-christian lifestyles off the
proceeds.

Fact: The 85% forecasting phenomenon is a lie!
A man develops a software package that after many years of research, provides no better forecasting accuracy than blind monkeys
throwing darts.......He can't sell it because he isn't licensed to do so. Instead, he wraps it in mystique and makes out that it is super
accurate. Because he can't sell it he makes it so that access is only granted once you have completed his expensive Certification course.
But what is the value of a course that is created by a man who can't trade? The course is hocus-pocus mumbo-jumbo
wrapped up in a lot of feel good factor mask the fact that there is little real substance to it. To make matters worse, some of it is
even plagiarised! Check out Module 39 and http://www.tradersedgeindia.com/japanese_candlestick_charting.htm for an example
of his blatant plagiarism.
The first few modules on the structure of Elliott Waves can be found for free with a fairly basic search of the Internet, yet Rich
charges thousands for the privilege!

Question:
How do you set yourself apart in the trading education industry when:
a: you don't know how to trade, and
b: the software you sell is bugged, hopelessly inaccurate and has wasted many years of your life
and a small fortune to develop

You could;
a. start over in another industry and put your skills to some good use; or
b. Rely on the masses of suckers out there that think a software package that is only $3000
is so sophisticated you'll be able to pick winner after winner in only 10 minutes a day

Fact: The track record is not Rich's!
Visit the track record page at elliottician.com and view the videos and you'll notice one thing, none of the calls are Rich's!
Listen and watch, the person making the call is not Rich yet Rich takes all the credit and claims it as his track record.

Fact: Rich associates with other frauds convicted by the CFTC - Stephen Pierce
Visit http://www.cftc.gov/opa/enf03/opa4739-03.htm

If you visit old versions of Rich's Elliottician.com through web.archive.org you'll notice that Rich did many cross promotions with this fellow convicted fraud.
Like attracts like or so it seems with the likes of Richard Swannell and Stephen Pierce


Dear Pierpont,

Firstly, i'd like to say that i'm an avid reader of your column and
regularly enjoy the often hilarious exposés of the life and times of the
crooks that masquerade as market professionals. I have also noted that you
take a special shine to marketeers masquerading as supertraders offering
their holy grail systems for a pretty penny. And so I bring you to the
attention of one Mr Richard Swannell, aka ‘Mr Tsunami’ or ‘Rich.’

In January this year, dear old Rich and his wife Mandy made several
appearances in the papers, including The West Australian, a few women's
magazines and on the TV news (Channel 10 Perth appearance here
ftp://www.elliottician.com/pub/tec/Ten_News.wmv) with their appeal for
money for Indian orphans of the tsunami. They gained a large degree of press
coverage which swelled the coffers of their personal charities
(swannellfoundation.org and hebronorhpanage.org). Now this is all a good
thing and I’m glad to see so much money raised so quickly and going towards
such a good cause. It’s good to see Rich turning over a new leaf since
losing his legal battles with both ASIC and the Commodities and Futures
Trading Commission (CFTC) of the US.

Do a quick search of Google for Rich Swannell and you’ll find heaps of
articles on his whizbang Elliott Wave trading software and education which
he flogs through elliottician.com .However, if you do a search under his
full name of Richard Swannell you come up with all sorts of murky legal
actions against him by the CFTC and ASIC. The CFTC ruling can be found
here http://www.cftc.gov/enf/00orders/enfswannell2.htm and the
ASIC ruling here
http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/asic_pu...romoter+of+share-trading+program?openDocument
Clever, no need to change names here, switching to nicknames should shake them off his tail for a while.

If only I knew this before I signed up for his whizbang, “you’ll be a
millionaire before breakfast” trading courses. I had the misfortune of
being suckered in by the over-hyped claims he made for his trading software
and education that he flogs through elliottician.com

Unfortunately, I believed his guarantee that if I didn’t achieve a market
forecasting accuracy of 85% or greater upon graduation from his Elliottician
Certification Course I would get my US$3000 returned. Believing the hype
that his software which was then known as the Elliott Wave Analyzer and
now known as the Refined Elliott Trader – “The Most Accurate Forecasting
Software in the World” or so the claim goes at elliottician.com (he no
longer uses International Trading Systems or Elliott Wave Research since
they were named in the ASIC and CFTC rulings) I signed up for the course.

It started off promisingly, the first few modules spoke of how Rich wants to
change the world by sharing his whizbang technology with as many people
as possible so that they too can create vast trading fortunes and donate to his
orphanage. If he wants to share it so badly, why doesn’t he just give it
away? Wouldn’t he be able to help more Indian orphans by selling his
$200,000 Bentley and choosing not to live in that 5 bedroom mansion at the
top of the hill on Ullapool Road in Mt Pleasant? I also found it rather
unusual that in almost all the modules in the course Rich was able to
forecast the market so accurately when all I got out of the software was a
bunch of conflicting yet equally valid forecasts. The software is so flaky
it even predicted that the NASDAQ should’ve been back at 5000 in January!
Using Rich’s ground breaking methodology which I call “wingin’ it” you can
just about make any ludicrous forecast sound plausible. Rich’s software is
so bug ridden and vague and his analysis methods so subjective, he should
be given an Oscar for trying to keep a straight face while trying to make out
that it actually worked with any degree of accuracy whatsoever.

What’s even worse is that I discovered that he had completely plagiarised
another website for module 39 - Using Candlesticks. That’s right, he took
something available for no charge on the net, stuck it in his course and
charged a motza for it! You can find the original material here
http://www.tradersedgeindia.com/japanese_candlestick_charting.htm
Rich has used exactly the same images and has just slightly reworded
another person’s work, (Rich neglected to remove designations 3a and 3b when 1 and
2 strangely never made an appearance in Rich’s version of the material) This
guy has a lot of gall.

Rich’s website claims that the Refined Elliott Trader is “The Silver Bullet
Trading Software.” It’s more like a rusted pellet gun with a bent barrel and
jammed chamber being used by a blind man with no arms!

Back to the 85% forecasting accuracy. After the disappointment that the
education wasn’t up to scratch, I had the satisfaction of knowing that if I
didn’t pass the test by scoring a forecasting accuracy rate of at least 85%
I could claim a refund. The test consists of 14 case studies (modules 42-55)
of commonly traded American stocks such as Microsoft and markets such as
the S&P 500. To ensure that no hapless student pulls out of the course and
demands a refund before attempting the test Rich doesn’t even tell them it’s
started! That’s right, from module 42-55 you are taking a test and Rich
doesn’t even say “this is the assessable part of the course.” You just start
doing the case studies, believing they’re some practice rounds before the
final exam and only when you reach the end and graduate do you realise that
it’s all over and now you can forecast markets like never before.

The case studies involved loading up a file into the software, performing an
analysis then picking one of up to three multiple choice answers with
selections as vague as “this market can’t be forecasted” ”this market will
move higher in the next 12 months” or “this market will move lower in the
next twelve months.” With answers so vague and simple a monkey would be
able to eventually click his way through to the right answer and lose his right
to a refund. Rich knows this, that’s why if someone accidentally or
intentionally doesn’t correctly select (guess) at least 85% of the answers
then he just cycles them back through the VERY SAME 14 case studies.
Eventually, they’re going to have to guess correctly through a process of
elimination.

And I was a lucky one, at least I didn’t have to wait months after my money
had been snatched by Rich to complete the bloody course. After speaking
with many other Elliottician clients I discovered that Rich had been selling the
course when it hadn’t even been completed. This would’ve been fine if he
had alerted the poor buggers beforehand!! When one came to the completed
section of the course they would get a little pre-recorded message from Rich
assuring them that his team were busily preparing the next module which
should be due within a week. This rarely proved to be the case with waits of
sometimes up to a whole month before the next module was released. The
entire 60 module course took ten months to roll out. It could’ve taken ten
years for all I care because the content is worthless! I later discovered
that he repeated this practice with his Advanced Certification Course which
remains incomplete, some 7 months after suckers stumped up the cash for it!

At the moment, besides touting his US $5000 Fast Track to Wealth seminar in
LA to be held later this month, Rich has been rattling the tin for his
“Orphans Winning on Wall Street” documentary. Orphans Winning on Wall
Street > is the improbable tale of how Rich is taking a bunch of donated notebooks to
an orphanage in India to teach them how to outwit and outmatch some of the
finest minds in the world in the trading arena from an impoverished remote
rural orphanage in third world India. Never mind the fact that Rich can’t
trade and freely admits he lost his life’s savings trading. It was also a
little disconcerting to discover a few donated laptops pressed into action
by staff in the Elliottician offices. Why hasn’t Rich sent them over to the
orphanage seeing as he received them in March of last year? Don’t the
orphans need them more than Rich’s sales team (phones manned 24 hours,
every
working day).

I believe he’s lobbying the tax office for concessions for this documentary
which Rich claims is going to rival Super Size Me and Farenheit 911 in box
office takings and appeal. I guess Rich feels that footage of some poor
orphan dicking around with a chart in front of him will greatly boost his
tin rattling efforts. Never mind the fact that the kid probably understands
more about trading than Rich.

I found it rather comical to discover that Elliottician’s CEO, Gerard
Wakefield has never traded and knows nothing of Elliott Waves, technical
analysis, ASX rulings or even the trading hours of the ASX. This is rather
unusual seeing as Elliottician are a trading education firm. What’s even
more unusual is that when Gerard was quizzed by a seminar participant as to
what sort of markets the Refined Elliott Trader can dart throw on he
nervously replied with a “we aren’t authorized to give financial advice.”
With a guy like Gerard on board, I find it increasingly difficult to believe
their claims of “forget returns of 12%, how about returns of 193%?” and
guaranteed forecasting accuracy rates of 85% or greater.

This has to be the oldest trick in the book. Elliottician claims its address
to be 1 West Street, New York, NY 10004, USA. but this is just a forwarding
address. They're really located where all the big players really belong, not
on Wall Street but at the Riseley Corporate Centre in front of Garden
City Shopping Centre, Booragoon. Good thing for Rich too as he's a fan of
the flashy shirts usually worn by teenagers that you can only get at Live
Clothing in the centre.

But don’t let the CFTC or ASIC get in the way of Rich Swannell. Nosiree,
he’ll just start operating under another new business name and change his
name around again, what will his lates incarnation be – Dick Swannell?


If you need to arrest him or want to experience his outlandish claims
and
fraudulent stage show in person Rich or Richard Swannell (it depends
who's
asking) will be visiting LA soon. See the attached PDF document which is
a
promo for his forthcoming LA seminar "Fast Track to Wealth" (26-28th of
April).

Rich claims that after taking this seminar you will be able to "quit
your
job" and "work 1 hour per week." This is right there in the document,
see
for yourself! These claims are fraudulent and he should have the full
force
of the law brought against him!

Also, I am seriously concerned about the manner in which he is promoting

this seminar. He 'invites' members of the public to join his
'Partnership
Program.' The purpose of this program is to teach orphans how to trade
at
his Hebron Orphanage in India. This would be a noble program but for the

fact that you must attend his $5000 Fast Track to Wealth Seminar to be
considered for admittance to the program. The invitation to become a
partner
is in video here
http://www.elliottician.com/showtecdata.asp?ncidid=133&ncid=2 This
video
went out in an email with the subject heading "The most important
message I
have ever sent you" which went out to his database of roughly 100,000.

I highly recommend you put this con man out of business before he hurts
any
more people.


Also, I fear that Rich uses his swannellfoundation.org and
www.hebronorphanage.org as fronts to funnel money overseas. A thorough
analysis of the money trail would quickly discover that he has
misappropriated funds meant for the orphanage.

I find it highly unusual that a man who claims to give so much to his
sponsored orphanage drives a $200,000 Bentley and lives in a giant
mansion that must be worth at least $2 million.

I also find it highly unusual that a man who has almost no trading
track record and who is a self-admitted "hopeless trader" is claiming that
his software and education is so valuable and effective. If his technology
and methodology is so good, why isn't he trading it? A quick analysis of
his trading history and contract notes would demonstrate that Rich is not
the trading guru he claims to be.

I strongly urge you to take this matter up with this con man before
more people are ripped off and hurt by Rich or Richard Swannell and
elliottician.com
It has come to my further attention that what was billed as Rich's latest
and greatest product for 2004 - the Inner Circle has become a complete and
total fizzer for the poor sods separated from their US$3000 for the
privilege. The Inner Ciricle was supposed to be a 'brain master trust' of
the finest Elliottician Certification Course graduates where they could get
together and bounce ideas of one another. Inner Circle members also had a
direct line to the Elliott Wave master - Rich Swannell himself. The concept
was fine except for the fact that the only sort of traders who were sucked
in by the hype surrounding the course, software and Rich were complete
dunderheads who couldn't tell the difference between an egg or a tomato, let
alone an Impulse or a Flat Elliott Wave!

Poor things, after feeling a little let down by the disappointment of the
much hyped course they must've felt there was no where else to turn except
back into the arms of each other. Rich even found a way to charge them three

grand more for the privilege! The Inner Circle started off badly, because
none of the members knew anything, they had nothing to say. This threw a
spanner in Rich's plans because he had hoped that they would know a thing or

two and he wouldn't have to step in and do any of the dirty work and give
any real advice himself. It was like a ghost train at a County Fair, it
looked promising on the outside but once through the doors and $3000 poorer
you couldn't help but feel robbed!

No-one was posting, no-one had anything to contribute and Rich was always
"at the orphanage" and couldn't be contacted. You'd think the Inner Circle
members would ask for a refund, well they would've if Rich hadn't included a

"no refunds until you've served out your first year term" clause in the fine

print. Nearly all members missed this one which bought Rich some valuable
time. After six months of futility with little to no contribution from any
of the members and what little contribution there was mostly consisted of
posts such as "how do I post an image in this damned thing", "this forum
sucks, I want my money back" or the popular "where is Rich, I want you to
hold my hand" Rich called it a day. You'd think he'd give the money back but

nosiree, you can't give back what you've already spent so Rich created a new

and improved version that was quite a master stroke. You see, any old laymen

can visit his website and sign up for Today's Elliottician Calls, Rich's
regular video market calls. This is a free service. What Rich decided to do
was offer up a jazzed up version of these calls (he waffles on for two
minutes longer) and still charge three grand for the privilege! Inner Circle

members supposedly get priority listing in the email queue which means that
they'll get an answer in two weeks instead of the regular four it takes to
get any answers from the man. Too bad if you want to seriously trade the
markets in the short term using Rich's so-called expert advice.

To gain access to Rich's online Elliottician Certifiication and Advanced
courses visit the elliottician.com site and login. The username to use is
xxxx and the password is xxxxx. You may wish to examine the vagueness of
modules 42-55 for yourself or laugh at the hopelessness of the dart throws
of this software. You can download the Refined Elliott Trader from the front

page of the site for free though don't bother. The registration process will

frustrate you to tears and once Rich has your email address expect it to be
bombarded with promises of ludicrous returns in 5 minutes a day on an almost

daily basis for the rest of your life!

See those oblong target areas, isn't it rather odd that they forecast the
S&P 500 to be anywhere from 0 to 1500 in the next 3 years or so! A drunk
blind man can throw darts just as well!

I'd also like to bring to your attention an incredibly useful research tool
called The Wayback Machine (http://web.archive.org). This site allows you to

look up forgotten old versions of websites such as elliottician.com and
other gems named in CFTC and ASIC rulings against Rich such as
stocksandfuturestrading.com, internationaltrading.com and
elliottwaveresearch.com. I've taken a special shine to one of Rich's
forgotten babies known as The Collective. Forget claims of 85% forecasting
accuracy, The Collective was "guaranteed to double your investment capital
every year in just 5 minutes a day."
http://web.archive.org/web/19991012045238/internationaltrading.com/collectiv
e_mechanical_trading_software/collective_mechanical_trading_software_intro.h
tm

I have attached a flyer for Rich's Fast Track to Wealth seminar to be held
in LA later this month. When I first viewed the promotional video for this
seminar I nearly puked. This seminar has been delayed in one form or another

for the last eight months or so not that that stopped Rich from taking
"advance booking sales" without offering a refund. Rich has decided to go
ahead and pull together three days with himself, the software, some
motivational speaker no-one's ever heard of and a trader that's such a
trading authority that he can only be known as "Mr .X". It makes me wonder,
will Mr. X be appearing with a mask on so no-one discovers his real
identity. 'Fast Track to Wealth' should be renamed 'Fast Track to Farce or
the Poor House' by the looks of things. I'm sure Rich'll be making Fast
Tracks with any Fast Bucks he takes outta this one!

His approach to marketing this dog appalling. Instead of getting on camera

and saying "this is a seminar and here are the details" he has gone for the
classical Oscar nominee approach and made out that he wants you to join his
"partnership" and that after you gain the appropriate qualifications (cue
five grand seminar promo) you will join him in making world history by
personally flying with Rich to India to teach the orphans how to trade. You
even get to feature in the documentary and be a big movie star just like
he's going to become once the word gets out!

You can puke your guts up to Rich's teary appeal for more dollars here
http://www.elliottician.com/showtecdata.asp?ncidid=133&ncid=2

Now that Rich has spent the advance booking sales he has to go ahead. The
seminar was originally scheduled for late October but this was put off due
to Rich falling ill. Apparently, Rich's doctor advised him that he wouldn't

be able to travel for quite some time. That didn't stop brave Rich flying to

Brisbane to meet marketing guru Jay Abraham in October, a wealthy
philanthropist client in Melbourne or taking numerous trips to the orphanage

in India in the meantime, christian soldier that he is.

Rich often waxes lyrical about how he once built up a multi-level marketing
organisation to roughly 300 members. He claims that it failed because
"people aren't interested in the truth." Now he's overcompensating with
outrageous claims such as Subject: Forget 5%, 12%, or even 50%. How about an average 193% return?

Have you been ripped off by Richard Swannell?
If you have been ripped off by this man than I encourage you to contact the Commodities and Futures Trading Commission
(CFTC) http://www.cftc.gov/cftc/cftchome.htm and the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) http://www.sec.gov/
of the United States and the Australian Securities and Investments Commission www.asic.gov.au
Richard Swannell signed an undertaking with ASIC that he wouldn't continue to promote his software yet he continues to do so.

The CFTC is currently building a case against Mr Swannell so your evidence will be appreciated.
 
Joules MM1 said:
As timing is to trading so is phrasing to libel.

There are many who claim to have invented or discovered a mechanical use for the Elliott Wave analysis. This is bogus. Anything other than RN Elliotts work is a hybrid and invariably susbstandard and simply not Elliott in practise, essence or even spirit. Only once have read or seen work that is understanding and not a sub-branch of Elliotts works.

If Enron and Worldcom are typical of the leniant top of a major bull market then misuse and abuse, of a technical approach to trading, would make Elliott himself laugh; as the growth and spread of his work leads to malpractises and misunderstanding which is perpetuated by malpractise, it fits well into the part or the very structure he uncovered.

There are many who are quick to dismiss a technical method which has not been either fully understood or improperly applied by them and then, to add blatant corrupt, racketeering is to fulfill and be part of the very art and structure of Elliott.

Frankly, hang 'em high !!

Julian
Are you saying that the Elliot Wave Theory as propounded and expounded by Ralph Nelson Elliot is therefore of absorbing academic interest but of no practical use in application ?
 
You are correct in that I find no practical use not for what you describe as his discovery, but in fact of his theory, which is something very different.

Technical Analysis is not Elliott Wave Theory and Elliott Wave Theory is not Technical Analysis.

They are two distinct and separate things.

In my previous post my question to you was a simple one.

I will repeat it:~

Are you saying that the Elliott Wave Theory as propounded and expounded by Ralph Nelson Elliott is therefore of absorbing academic interest but of no practical use in application ?

Please reply Yes or No.
 
As exactly 2 hours have elapsed since I addressed this question and instead of answering it, you have meandered elsewhere to comment on other matters, so I will answer it for you myself.

Elliot wave theory has no place in the practical application of trading, and this is because the hypothesis presented by Ralph Nelson Elliott is incomplete. This renders his hypothesis interesting in passing from an academic viewpoint only. If it were complete it would be effective and be possessed of teeth.

This reminds me of these glass boxes found in fairgrounds filled with soft toys, wristwatches and bangles. The triangular three armed grab that descends upon them on insertion of a coin in a slot is not sufficiently robust to be able to extricate the prize or even to support its weight. When it does perform as falsely perceived that it ought to, it happens to be just a fluke.
 
No, Fettered, the world is not flat, it is a sphere but it is flatter at the poles than anywhere else, this does not make it a disc, no more than what Ralph Nelson Elliott observed during his illness can be construed to be a reliable practical method for trading the markets.
 
EWT is to me the finest example of the human brain's great appetite to see patterns in everything, even when none exist.
It's like a Russian doll, cuter and cuter as you progress but ultimately disappointing with emptiness at its heart.
I mean no disrespect to anyone, these are my personal views and have no more validity than anyone else's.
However, it is true that the more an approach is used the better it becomes as it mutates into a self-fulfilling prophecy. There are such things that I use myself - but only because others trade using them so they have some use and value, though the latter is not intrinsic.
I always tend to think when reading of some esoteric method, WHY does that work and HOW?
For example, if Mars is in conjunction with Venus WHY should the price of hog bellies fall? And if perchance they do, HOW? What is the mechanism by which such an alleged phenomenon acts on the minds of traders to produce the apparent result? Soya bean swings in Hog belly heaven?

The three armed grab in fairgrounds is something, co-incidentally, I always think of associated with new traders. They often think along similar lines. It LOOKS SO EASY and yet the concept is simply there to empty your pockets. Like the markets, view the "game" as not so much rigged as simply there for a minority to profit at the expense of the greedy. The latter do not think primarily of how to master the business as much as how to extract money from it.
Understanding comes first.
Self discipline and control next.
Then experience.
Finally profit.
Having said that, my own cursory wave at Elliot is after three waves in an up-move I wave goodbye and take my profits. Why? Because some EWT people are doing that?
Or is it merely that the move is usually exhausted after three waves? After all, the universe of potential buyers is much diminished by then, so who is left to buy?
Sorry if I have rambled this afternoon, but having taken my profits out of SEPR XMSR and CEPH already, I am not giving anything back on such a Greenspan soaked day and chanced to read this thread.
Richard
 
hey Tonyspry

As circumstance would have it, I used to work there as a trader for a short time.

I liked Rich, but just couldn't stay....'nuff said?

Cheers

PS So that was HIS Bently. I never knew! LOL
 
I think each to their own. Elliott wave theory isn't for me but I have seen some people who have combined it with other methods and seem to be making money. They are probably not going to argue the toss here but I can't blame them for that. I get bored with these arguments about what works and what doesn't. It is the same with most professions, there will always be someone who says something doesn't work and there will always be someone consistently proving them wrong.
 
I am not rude, I may be blunt and to the point but I am not rude. What happens is that you interpret contradiction as rudeness. When I make statements they are the consequence of my experience, which is considerable. I explored all of this Elliott Wave story in 1978 to 1979 and although I found the idea at first thought provoking I also found it incomplete. I then checked it against what was happening and tried to make it fit in Elliott Wave terms and none of it does for the simple reason that you can see Elliott Wave in everything you want if you are so inclined, and additionally in hindsight, rather than Elliott Wave being in everything you submit to the closest inspection. This is why I say what I say, which is simply that Elliott Wave may be of passing academic interest but of no use in the practical application of trading whatsoever.
 
Mr Charts,

EWT is to me the finest example of the human brain's great appetite to see patterns in everything, even when none exist.

"Patterns".......you believe in them, you trade them, and you sell them to the public. Elliot wave patterns however are also a "chart pattern" so how are they any different to any other chart pattern?

What invalidates one pattern over another. In other words you show me one chart pattern that is 100% consistent. If this is not possible, then Elliot has as much relevance as any other chart pattern.

However, it is true that the more an approach is used the better it becomes as it mutates into a self-fulfilling prophecy. There are such things that I use myself - but only because others trade using them so they have some use and value, though the latter is not intrinsic.

Or that the person utilising said method improves his mastery of said methodology.( If you adhere to the "worth" of technicals.) If you do not, then, all of technical analysis, Elliot, Astro, and any other pattern based methodology relies on self-fulfilling prophecy.

I always tend to think when reading of some esoteric method, WHY does that work and HOW?

Same reason any technically based methodology works...................Psychology.

Understanding comes first.

Yes, can agree on that one.

SOCCY,

When I make statements they are the consequence of my experience, which is considerable.

The classics are timeless, and never leave us.

d998
 
Bad news!

I think he's may be on his way to Switzerland with his wife now. Can't afford USD3000 for his course so I just subscribed to his "Free Elliottician Calls" and for yesterday's call he said by the time subscribers read it, he should be up on the flight to Switzerland. (if it's him that's doing the analysis)

I did consider signing up for his Certified Elliottician course as I was bought by his "over 85% or your money back gurantee" lucky me plunged the money which could be used to sign up for his course into funding my trading account and for that I am unable to take his course.

If you guys did sign up for his free calls, you'll find that most of his mails did not say anything about his forcast for the market. The only profitable call that I got was when he said the Euro is moving downwards and I stayed in my short to close for a 320 pip profit.

Yesterday's call was saying that the Euro will bottom out before making a strong move upwards. Let us see if he's right on this or not.

Cheers! :cheesy:
 
Elliottician and Richard Swannell

New post following on previous post by others.
Warning: do not buy into anything related to Richard Swannell. His latest launch called 'SETI' is a scam to take $10000 of anyone who might believe his lies. He has just folded up his previous "RETmastery' with the same "refund if..." lies. And the figures on his software are doctored. The forum for members was conveniently closed preventing embarrassment of what slowly members would come to realise. Daniel MacMahon is his master promotor of this thieving process.
 
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