Firewalker's Journey: A path of discovery in search for enlightenment

This is a discussion on Firewalker's Journey: A path of discovery in search for enlightenment within the Trading Journals forums, part of the Start Here category; Originally Posted by firewalker99 Thanks for posting. I added a just so you can see what happened. As you indicated, ...

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Thanks for posting. I added a just so you can see what happened. As you indicated, price indeed droipped below and even nearly touched 5600. You say you would wait and see what happens, is that a gut feeling or based on some signals you can distinguish? Can you perhaps elaborate a bit on that?
I really don't have any deep insight to offer here. At the time the chart was made, price had failed to break out through resistance that had held for quite some time, and had retraced to a support area. In other words, for the last day or so, price had been falling (look at the first bar from 7/31 and compare to the last bar printed on the chart).

Given that scenario, I would not be considering a long for the sole reason that I see no indication that price will head back up again. Sure, price was at a level that had provided support in the past -- and also had been broken in the past. But price breaks through support and resistance levels all the time. All I was saying was that there was no indication (that I could find) for a long, so I would not have initiated a long at that point. I should add that I certainly did not know at that point that price would continue to fall either (perhaps a more experienced trader could have seen that coming). So, with no reason to initiate either a long or short position, I would have waited for some reason to enter a trade.
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I really don't have any deep insight to offer here. At the time the chart was made, price had failed to break out through resistance that had held for quite some time, and had retraced to a support area. In other words, for the last day or so, price had been falling (look at the first bar from 7/31 and compare to the last bar printed on the chart).

Given that scenario, I would not be considering a long for the sole reason that I see no indication that price will head back up again. Sure, price was at a level that had provided support in the past -- and also had been broken in the past. But price breaks through support and resistance levels all the time. All I was saying was that there was no indication (that I could find) for a long, so I would not have initiated a long at that point. I should add that I certainly did not know at that point that price would continue to fall either (perhaps a more experienced trader could have seen that coming). So, with no reason to initiate either a long or short position, I would have waited for some reason to enter a trade.
Thanks for answering that question, so I can state that "absence of evidence" was evidence to NOT enter a trade. I understand what you're saying. Could you let me know your comments on my charts of today? It just looks quite similar situation there...
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Thanks for answering that question, so I can state that "absence of evidence" was evidence to NOT enter a trade. I understand what you're saying. Could you let me know your comments on my charts of today? It just looks quite similar situation there...
It looks like a nice up trend. I hope you're long.

Seriously, I'm not sure what you want me to comment on. And I'm not sure I catch your meaning concerning the similarities. How do you see the situations being similar?
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It looks like a nice up trend. I hope you're long.

Seriously, I'm not sure what you want me to comment on. And I'm not sure I catch your meaning concerning the similarities. How do you see the situations being similar?
Well, perhaps I didn't put it as cleary but what I meant is I thought I saw a similar situation as yesterday on the monthly chart after that air pocket as dbphoenix mentioned a high probability short.

* air pocket appearing at 1100 -> air pocket on 07/28 just past the middle of the day
* following bars aren't able to reach much higher -> same here
* volume drops and price moves down slowly on 07/31 -> same here between 1100 and 1200
* it has been an uptrend from 07/24 till 07/31 -> uptrend from start of day

If I'm seeing things that just aren't there, please point out so.
I took a long entry at 09:30 actually... (but got out of the trade by that down spike around 10:15)
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You called this a high probability short. Could you elaborate on that? What are the signals that make you say that? You name it "air pocket"... Incidentally I thought I had a similar situation today. Let me start by posting a chart of the last month, with yesterday's down move.

Ok, next is an intraday chart where I see an uptrend. Around 1100 there's a bozo on high volume. Also an "air pocket" or what is your definition of it? Not that I trade those, but anyway, the day opens with an up gap as you can see on the 2-day 5min bar chart. Next (after 1100) price drops gradually on low volume. Well, if I take everything you've said and compare it with the monthly chart, I've got 3 exact same signals. So, I guess I'd short. But as you can see, price only keeps moving up further.

Yes, no two situations are the same, everything has to be looked at in the right context.
But I'm not learning anything if for every situation there's a example pro and one contra...
Sorry, but you're showing me three charts which appear to be unrelated and which have no annotations that relate to what you're asking, so I don't know what you're looking at or what the focus of your question is.

As to the "air pocket", I erred in assuming that that, plus the S/R line you'd drawn, was the reason why you took the short. Since that had nothing to do with it, please explain why you did take that short.

Incidentally, your second chart has no date, so I don't know the context.

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Sorry, but you're showing me three charts which appear to be unrelated and which have no annotations that relate to what you're asking, so I don't know what you're looking at or what the focus of your question is.

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Sorry, I'll fill in the blanks and edit the original post.
I left out any annotations because I'd wanted to leave them blank as you could make your comments on them without my S/R, trendlines, etc interfering...

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As to the "air pocket", I erred in assuming that that, plus the S/R line you'd drawn, was the reason why you took the short. Since that had nothing to do with it, please explain why you did take that short.

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Mainly I shorted because that support was broken with a large down bar on higher volume, it went under by more than 5 points and then I shorted when it retraced a little back to 5720 (around 9:25)

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Incidentally, your second chart has no date, so I don't know the context.
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That one is of today

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firewalker99 started this thread Russell 2000 chart

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firewalker99 started this thread I've attached my comments on a chart of dbphoenix (see his appendix) with my lines indicated in bold red. db, I left your lines on it, but the purple line is only made up of two points?
The smaller led lines are just crossed up/down multiple times, also volume remains quite constant on most of the bars...

I also added a small red line, where I find more action because it goes through it and then reserves just to touch it slight and move away from it again.

The cyan line is one I'd also be drawing, but as for the rest...?
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