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Old Sep 2, 2012, 10:51pm   #1636
 
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Yamato started this thread Oh no, seriously. There's more evidence of people not seeing any planes than people seeing planes. Check out this guy for example. He is reading a script, it's known on the web, his name is mark walsh ("mostly due to structural failure..", wow, he's got it all figured out for you):



I've got the smoking gun for you, just watch these six minutes:



The tape with the planes came out mostly hours after the event (not live), and it was all a montage. The only live shot of the airplane hitting the second tower was fake (cfr. video above).

Check this out, too:



it looked like a movie, because it was a movie.



maybe we're not so crazy... on this last video there's plenty of reasons and useful links in the description.

If you have a lot more time, the official "no planers" documentary is this:



You'll find that even some reporters are not mentioning planes but just explosions.

At this phase, I am at the next step and am wondering how many hundreds people really died, because it wasn't thousands as we were told (which is a good thing).



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Old Sep 3, 2012, 1:36pm   #1637
 
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I've watched the first 40 min of the 'No Planes' doc (thus far). I could write an essay on the first 10 mins alone.

But for now I will let pictures speak a thousand words (top vid)....

Debunking the Debunkers: No-Planes / Tv-Fakery theory demolished!
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Old Sep 3, 2012, 1:55pm   #1638
 
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Yamato started this thread Thanks for taking the time to consider and investigate that hypothesis.

Now it will be my turn to watch your debunking of the debunking. And I am approaching it with an open mind - it's not like I have "no planers" t-shirts to sell.

Then I'll come back and tell you whether I got convinced and the reasons.

This seems to be a great link, the one you gave me. The only links I would be suspicious of would be those supporting the official version of the government. But truthers debating truthers is a great debate.

That website is very good at promoting this kind of debate. I am browsing it thoroughly and i found this excellent link:
Debunking the Debunkers: Top 40 Reasons the Official 9/11 Story is Bunk!

By getting sidetracked I also found this other excellent link (one of the top 10 links on 911):
Complete 911 Timeline: All Day of 9/11 Events
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Old Sep 3, 2012, 5:17pm   #1639
 
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Yamato started this thread Ok, done for now. The website you gave me has a lot of useful resources, as i said, but the two videos I managed to watch (cfr. videos below), which are supposedly the best ones, as they're given great emphasis, do not address the most important points made by the videos I posted (the video fakery of "nose-in, nose-out" and how it was handled by all the media networks, with CNN hiding it, because they realized it was poor fakery - huge smoking gun right there), and address other points but not satisfactorily (engine found in the street and so on, no technical expertise shown in both videos), so I am still very much a convinced "no planer".

However, I notice that, on the same page, there are dozens of resources supposedly debunking my idea, and I haven't been able to watch them all yet, but so far I haven't changed my mind and if the quality of the other videos is the same, then it will be useful to watch them because I'll be even more convinced. If I'll change my mind I'll also make sure to write it here.

This is the page with a lot of "debunking" resources:
Debunking the Debunkers: 5 No-planer Claims Refuted



The above is the video posted on that page, which says:
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This is for anyone who still thinks the no-plane theories have any credibility. Please consider this my public statement about no-plane theories: They have no merit and are all wrong.
And yet it offers very little evidence and reasoning.

This is the link you posted:
Debunking the Debunkers: No-Planes / Tv-Fakery theory demolished!

This is the video they show:



To me this last video offers even fewer insights.

Hey, I believed it was planes that hit the towers until recently, so I am not really partisan of any sides. This is just my reasoning on what seems to be the case. What really counts though is that we agree that it wasn't bin laden that did this, and the implications of this are huge.

As of now this is what i believe: it wasn't planes, but all media fakery as far as planes are concerned. However, in my opinion the most likely thing is that missiles hit the towers. At least for the second tower. For the first one, it might simply have been a bomb.

I don't know much, but I am proceeding in the dark and doing the best with what i know. This is the consequences of realizing how much government and media lie to us. It was much easier before, believing what the majority believed, which in turn was what the media and education fed to us.

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I am still watching them, and this is the best debunking:



This is very good, because it indeed makes me think that if I am right and the debunking is wrong, even the makers of Loose Change might be cointelpro and Jules Naudet as well. Actually Bermas could simply be wrong, but Naudet would have to be part of the hoax completely, as they say here:
JULES NAUDET
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Old Sep 3, 2012, 6:36pm   #1640
 
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"...we're moving into a surveillance state"

Yamato started this thread Vets Being Round Up Nationwide, People Everywhere Just Disappearing



Yep, this is an historical moment. Things just keep on getting worse and worse for some reason. You'd think: didn't they steal enough money and couldn't they rest for a while now? Hell no, these guys maybe are afraid that if they take a break from screwing the world, the world will recover and strike back.



I posted more on brandon raub here:
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/trad...ml#post1955646
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Old Sep 3, 2012, 8:26pm   #1641
 
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meaningful pictures on Dan Bidondi facebook

Yamato started this thread I found these very meaningful pictures on dan bidondi's facebook:

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Old Sep 3, 2012, 8:42pm   #1642
 
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The problem with this charlie veitch is that, despite being a nice guy, he has shown very erratic behaviour as far as 911 truth and went from being a leader to saying, on mainstream media, that he doesn't believe in it anymore. So, whether he's a disinfo agent or not, he has done a lot of damage to the cause, probably even more than a real disinfo agent, which he probably isn't.





The same applies to Ace Baker Faker and some other guys, who might not be disinfo agents but too narcissistic and histrionic to be enrolled in this serious effort to expose the truth.



If you're not serious to follow through with this truther path, you should not get started with it to begin with. If instead they're cointelpro agents, then they're both doing an excellent job at disrupting and discrediting the truth movement.

With all the lying going on in the mainstream media, all it takes is to say the truth and speak on youtube, and you become famous pretty quickly.

For example, I could film some of the chemtrails I am seeing over the vatican, and then speak on youtube, and title it "chemtrails over the vatican" and then i'd get a lot of views, but I am not undertaking anything I cannot follow through with. So all I am doing instead is posting other people's courageous work, and my thoughts on it.

Speaking of which, if I posted such a video, it would certainly be in contrast with this other video, that says that the vatican controls everything:



Well, whether they run it all or not, they're getting sprayed with chemtrails, too.
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Old Sep 3, 2012, 9:46pm   #1644
 
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Yamato started this thread He's saying a lot considering who he is, but not enough



Let's see if We Are Change can manage to make him talk more:



nope, didn't speak enough truth to get my hypothetical vote
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Old Sep 3, 2012, 10:45pm   #1645
 
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nice, a bit slow

this is good, too (not as hilarious it initially sounds, but good points):

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Old Sep 4, 2012, 1:45pm   #1646
 
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not just a picture

Yamato started this thread I've seen this picture two weeks ago, and from time to time it still comes to my mind. Cheney and Rumsfeld about 40 years ago. I can understand more about 911 when I see this picture. Two people without any... well, the picture says it all:

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With two guys smiling at each other like that, even 40 years ago, you could have seen 911 coming. Yeah, you could tell they were either planning something really good or really bad for mankind.
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Old Sep 4, 2012, 1:52pm   #1647
 
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This is the video they show:



To me this last video offers even fewer insights.

Hey, I believed it was planes that hit the towers until recently, so I am not really partisan of any sides. This is just my reasoning on what seems to be the case. What really counts though is that we agree that it wasn't bin laden that did this, and the implications of this are huge.

As of now this is what i believe: it wasn't planes, but all media fakery as far as planes are concerned. However, in my opinion the most likely thing is that missiles hit the towers. At least for the second tower. For the first one, it might simply have been a bomb.
What I hoped to highlight to you in that video, was the photos of plane wreckage. If those are alledged to be a conspiracy too then it just adds an absurd level of complexity to the issue imo.

Is there a consensus view amongst 'No Planers' on these photographs?
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Old Sep 4, 2012, 2:00pm   #1648
 
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Yamato started this thread Oh, yes, absolutely so. I meant that it was poor evidence and reasoning precisely because it focused so much on that scarce and false evidence which was planted there (some pieces of plane were also planted at the pentagon). Furthermore "none of the contents of any of the black boxes have been released to the public":
9-11 Research: Black Boxes

In my opinion that's poor debunking and it does not address all the other points made by the videos I posted (cfr. my previous post on this, the one you partially quoted).

The way I see it is this. What do I have on one side: on the pro-planes argument? I have some scarce evidence provided by the FBI (it reminds me a lot of that passport, of one of the hijackers, that landed on the street, and was recovered totally unscathed, intact and in perfect shape - whereas everything else was pulverised).

On the side of the no-planes argument, I have plenty of video fakery which is staggering and that cannot be denied. As can't be denied the coverup, and how they tried to hide all the fakery in the ensuing days and months and years.

Oh, and the version of planes hitting towers is clearly the version the government would like you to believe. So, considering that they cheated you on everything else, that's one extra point in favor of the no-planes argument.
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Old Sep 4, 2012, 6:05pm   #1649
 
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Yamato started this thread wow, time to celebrate

First, i went shopping for fruits and vegetables and to my amazement i only spent 7.80 euros for several kilograms of bananas, oranges, peaches, tomatoes and maybe something else I am forgetting. Oh yeah - carrots.

Being healthy is cheap, too.

The only disadvantage is that you stop tasting those strong drugging flavors you were tasting before, such as sugar, coffee, chocolate, salt... and so on.

But you don't mind, because you know your body... you can feel your body is feeling better. Much faster digesting. Actually I don't feel myself digesting at all. Cheaper. Better health. Losing all the extra fat you had, within the first month.

Awesome.

Second, and even more important, I am finally making some real money with my trading, discretionary trading that is.

I really nailed my NG long trade and also my ZN short trade is going well. After being so poor for so long, I might soon have enough capital to trade my systems again.

Let's celebrate with this nice little stupid song from my youth



I like this part best, at 2:57, both for the singing and the words:
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Sometimes vocabulary runs through my head
The alphabet runs right from A to Zed
I think that's a masterpiece. Oh, and I really like those lips, it reminds me of... drinking hot chocolate.
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I can't figure out why these guys can't sing for **** but their version of these songs is better than the original. I guess it has to do with smoking. These songs sound better by heavy smokers. Or maybe it's the arrangement.
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