New TFT screen - what an improvement !

Just bought a 22" widescreen to replace my donkeys-years old (almost 1st prototype) 15" TFT. You don't realise how good it is till you get one.

If you haven't sampled such kit, I can recommend it. Advantages:

1. Allows multiple screens & still easy to read
2. Get an adjustable & solid stand (the one I've got even rotates to portrait mode). Some of the ones i looked at couldn't hold a sheet of A4 steady!

Don't wish to get into techies-war of "best monitor" but this one was the best all-round value for the facilities i require. HP2207h £199 Tesco + £5 deliver to the door next day.

My HP w1907s is less than 2 months old and it already has a dead pixel

Once you know where it is you can't help looking at it

I'm hoping that in time I will forget about it and just treat it as another smudge or spec of dust or something, until I try to wipe it away again

I thought TFT were much more reliable since my 1st laptop is over 4 years old and all pixels are still working...in colour! :-0

new_trader said:

My HP w1907s is less than 2 months old and it already has a dead pixel

Once you know where it is you can't help looking at it

I'm hoping that in time I will forget about it and just treat it as another smudge or spec of dust or something, until I try to wipe it away again

I thought TFT were much more reliable since my 1st laptop is over 4 years old and all pixels are still working...in colour! :-0

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Dead pixels are more or less from the manufacturing, and it should be considered undead for the first two months, rather than "it died". Amazed one lasted that long after you got it, actually.

I've had 3 Samsung LCD monitors and 2 TVs, and not a dead pixel amongst them, BTW.


Edit: I can specifically recommend Samsung Pebble SM2232BW 22" TFT Monitor or its 20" sibling

rnicoll said:

Dead pixels are more or less from the manufacturing, and it should be considered undead for the first two months, rather than "it died". Amazed one lasted that long after you got it, actually.

I've had 3 Samsung LCD monitors and 2 TVs, and not a dead pixel amongst them, BTW.


Edit: I can specifically recommend Samsung Pebble SM2232BW 22" TFT Monitor or its 20" sibling

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Well that makes me feel much better.

My HPw1907s is great, it is a little less than 2 months old and still has around 1296000 undead pixels...all of them colour :-0

rnicoll said:

Edit: I can specifically recommend Samsung Pebble SM2232BW 22" TFT Monitor or its 20" sibling

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That was my first choice until I had a look at the unsteady and non-adjustable stand.

0007 said:

That was my first choice until I had a look at the unsteady and non-adjustable stand.

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It's got tilt forwards/backwards? It's also a lot stabler than it looks (and much, MUCH stabler than you'll be thinking it is when it comes out of the box).

I too am pleased with my undead pixels.

I've had two asian made dutch philips screens and an asian made american viewsonic screen (plus som dell slaptops) and not a pixel has yet realised it should be dead

A note to purchasers of tfts. Your "manufacturer" is important. In the same factory there will be good and bad screens made - they will even select the best for the foreign manufacturer and slip the rejects into the budget brand. You want someone who doesn't consider the death of undead pixels acceptable (so not HP by the sound of it).

new_trader said:

Well that makes me feel much better.

My HPw1907s is great, it is a little less than 2 months old and still has around 1296000 undead pixels...all of them colour :-0

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Let me clarify...

I meant, pixels tend to die really soon after you get the monitor, or not at all. Generally they'll arrive dead, but living a few days before dying isn't unheard of. Two weeks, I'll admit, is quite long.

The other 1,296,000 are probably going to live long, fulfilling little pixel lives.

rnicoll said:

It's got tilt forwards/backwards? It's also a lot stabler than it looks (and much, MUCH stabler than you'll be thinking it is when it comes out of the box).

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I must admit that i was surprised when I inspected it in PC World but it's quite possible they hadn't set it up properly. The tilt fwd/back is fine but the only way to height adjust is with Yellow pages /Argos catalogue / brokers credit notes etc. I use varifocals so the range of height adjust on the HP is very useful (maybe HP's office supplies background influenced this provision?) and negates the need to adjust neck angle.

I note that the reputation of the Samsung screens is very very good hence my first look. The HP stand is quite unusual and is the best I've seen. The alternative is to use a swing arm bracket off the wall but I've had enough DIY since moving last year.

How the screen economics change: As an early adopter of TFT screen - so long ago i forget the date - I paid £400 for the 15" Proview (with a spec you'd laugh at today, but it still works perfectly and now donated to deskscreen for Mrs 0007's laptop) when this was the cheapest I could find. Other, "quality" brands were anything up to £1k.

When I think back to my 286 with a 14" CRT, 20MB hard drive, 12Mhz chip ............and you could actually watch charts being drawn in real time from eod data! (seemed faster than greased weasel droppings compared with the Spectrum)

0007 said:

I must admit that i was surprised when I inspected it in PC World but it's quite possible they hadn't set it up properly. The tilt fwd/back is fine but the only way to height adjust is with Yellow pages /Argos catalogue / brokers credit notes etc. I use varifocals so the range of height adjust on the HP is very useful (maybe HP's office supplies background influenced this provision?) and negates the need to adjust neck angle.

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If you can't pick up the screen and have the stand come with it, it's been mis-setup. It is a real pain to get them two parts together, though, I'll admit...

It's been a while since I've seen a monitor with height adjust, so I suppose I'm a little too used to it. It's an odd feature to be missing, though...

don't get me started on HP monitors...

Out of 100 assorted HP1702's, 1720's & 1730's
< 3 years 10 failures (they were replaced next day under warranty)
3 - 3.5 years 15 failures
3.5 - present 15 failures so far.

40% failure rate so far, i'm pretty sure there's a conspiracy here and i've written to HP but as they're out of warranty they really couldn't give a toss.