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Old Feb 25, 2008, 9:09am   #16
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Brutusdog has it nailed. If you must love a mac, then you'll pay the price for your proprietary whoring.
I hear where you're coming from, but I must say that I didn't actually think either my iMac or the wife's Macbook were that expensive in comparison. The iMac is the 24" daddy and at the time it was £1349, but the spec of it in comparison to 'mainstream' PC's was much better, and it comes loaded with just about all the software you need. Again, Macbook was £749 I think, and you can easily spend that amount of money on a decent laptop. A few years ago the gap was wider and Apple have actually reduced the price of the 24" iMac by about £200 recently (and upped the spec) so I think price is becoming less of an issue; whether that's Apple becoming more cost-aware and wanting to increase market share or not I don't know but when I change this system in just over a year, I'll certainly be buying another. I have access to a bunch of XP based machines in my office but they just never get used. Likewise, the iMac has got Vista installed on it, but it never gets run (partly because it takes about 6 months for it to finish booting).

Each to their own, but I think the Macs are being adopted by more people as they come to realise the advantages.
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Old Feb 25, 2008, 9:10am   #17
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A computer professional friend of mine says, "Thank god for Windows PCs - they keep those of us who fix computers for a living in business. If the world ran on Macs we'd be bankrupt in no time!" QED
I've been known to utter the same quote from time to time
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Old Feb 25, 2008, 10:00am   #18
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To me a Mac just does what it's supposed to do and does it well. Here's a small example: With a Windows machine you want to remove a program. You go to the start menu, open 'control box', go to 'add/remove programs' wait for the '...list to populate' then click remove. And then very often you get an error message saying that 'Windows could not remove all of the components' and that the rest will have to be done manually'! How pants is that? With a Mac you just grab the program icon and drag it to the trash - program gone! I could give many other similar examples but I don't want to bore everyone to death.
That is SO true...

I am really pretty clueless about software etc, but a MAc is SO simple and totally intuitive that even I have never ever had to check the manual, lol.

Quite simply, it's so well thought out, user friendly and elegant that questions just do not arise.
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Old Feb 25, 2008, 1:59pm   #19
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The only thing that really p!sses me off is that all of the trading software I've found is Windows based! The only option I'm left with is to use a web based system and the ones I've seen aren't that good. Hopefully someone someday soon will wake up to the fact that there are an increasing number of Mac users out here who could profitably be catered for, but until then I guess we'll just have to put up with Windoze and it's bloody viruses for our trading... Sorry, rant over...
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Why are there no viruses for Mac? Virus writers just the sort who hate Macs? I've learnt in life that nothing is perfect...

And why are PCs so popular? It's not like you can't buy Macs in every shop selling PCs (Dixons, John Lewis, Harrods...)?
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Old Feb 25, 2008, 2:42pm   #21
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Why are there no viruses for Mac? Virus writers just the sort who hate Macs? I've learnt in life that nothing is perfect...

And why are PCs so popular? It's not like you can't buy Macs in every shop selling PCs (Dixons, John Lewis, Harrods...)?
I've explained why there are no viruses for Mac above - it's to do with the fundamental architecture of the operating system which is much more robust than Windows. To date I believe there have been over 7000 viruses written for Windows with just 1 for Mac and that was written as a test by the developers to see if it was possible - it wasn't. That's not to say that some bright spark in the future might not achieve it of course...

Why are PCs so popular? Marketing? A very strong reason in my opinion is that most games are written for PCs - very few for Mac (but that means I can spend my time doing useful stuff instead of playing Doom 3).
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Sorry, yes, I read that but was wondering if anyone else had any info.
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Old Feb 25, 2008, 4:01pm   #23
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Sorry, yes, I read that but was wondering if anyone else had any info.
MS Office and the dominance of Exchange for email/scheduling etc within an organization. MS use of closed file formats in Office documents to protect their monoply.

In years gone by, Visual Basic which allowed any idiot to knock together an application that looked like it might work.
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Sorry, yes, I read that but was wondering if anyone else had any info.
If you want some more reasons, try the ineptitude of some MS's competitors eg the Unix wars with the fragmentation of Unix into several different flavours and the lack of any real cooperation amongst Unix vendors to produced a decent desktop to work on top of the fundamentally sound X Window System.

This at a time when OS offerings from microsoft (or Apple) were simply laughable compared to Unix.
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Ah.

I remember X Windows. Was the first GUI I used.
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Last year I decided to purchase a Macbook Pro. I got an extremely nice Apple Student Developer discount which stacked with the student discount from my university.

At first, I was extremely pleased. I've long been a unix/linux user, and having a nice fully supported OS with a freebsd based kernel was very appealing.

Slowly my infatuation faded, and I realized what a terrible product I had purchased. To be honest, my Macbook Pro crashes more than any other computer I've ever owned. The build quality is absolutely horrible and materials are slowly disintegrating / warping. The integrated CD/DVD drive has given out, and can no longer burn anything.

These machines are not meant to last, and I really wish I had purchased a ThinkPad instead.
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Slowly my infatuation faded, and I realized what a terrible product I had purchased. To be honest, my Macbook Pro crashes more than any other computer I've ever owned. The build quality is absolutely horrible and materials are slowly disintegrating / warping. The integrated CD/DVD drive has given out, and can no longer burn anything.

These machines are not meant to last, and I really wish I had purchased a ThinkPad instead.
Sorry, I'm not a mac fanboi, but this is simply not true.

Most likely, if you've had a bad experience with Apple it's just bad luck. They get Monday morning/Friday afternoon machines, just like every other vendor. Build quality on all modern Apple hardware is second to none; far superior to anything in the PC mould, with the possible (equal) exception of something like AlienWare - again, a premium-priced product.

DVD drives regularly pack up on all kinds of machines. Apple are not unique. I regularly replace them.

As for not meant to last ... well, I'm writing this on a wonderfully fast PowerBook G4, 3 years old. Upstairs, I have an old clunker iMac G3; far from fast, but it still runs fine. However, I have done maintenance work on Apples (and ThinkPads, amongst other things) because occasionally there are problems here and there. But please don't go spouting things that aren't true, simply because you've had a slightly bad experience with a product.
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Old Feb 26, 2008, 10:54pm   #28
 
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rossored,

To claim that mac build quality is "far superior" to every PC with the (possible) exception of AlienWare. Interesting.

Don't you think that it fits into the criteria for:
"don't go spouting things that aren't true"

and would risk the spouter self classifying as a:
"mac fanboi"?

Come on here?
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It's a bit odd, given that there isn't just one manufacturer of PC parts but hundreds. Assuming it is true, why is it the case? Surely, someone must be able to get it right!
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Old Feb 27, 2008, 11:27am   #30
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Well, all I know:

Years and years of PC's were years and years of regular crashes, freezes and, on top of that, just one massive pain in the neck with clunky, unelegant software that was all kinds of things but not intuitive nor user-friendly.

Apple may not be perfect, but in the two odd years I've had it I have had had zero crashes and zero freezes, and software that a kindergarten kid could learn how to operate in a jiffy without having to look at a manual ever.

To me a computer is a means to an end.

As a user I shouldn't have to learn how to program nor be burdened by unbelievable and unbelievably unnecessary complexity, by a necessity to do endless fiddling around with step after step after step as with a PC to for example do nothing more complicated than delete a program, when an Apple allows you to do the same thing in one step (!), as a user I should have a tool that is self-explanatory and intuitive to use.

Apple may not be perfect, but from what's available right now they are as close as it gets to that ideal.

The ideal will be reached once you are totally hassle free, no more folders, ie like Flickr, you just tell the program what to look for, or a situation one day when you don't have to bother any more at all with keyboards, when you just tell it what to do.

Go find the pictures of last years March weekend trip to London, and attach to the email to XYZ.

All you have to do then is write it or dictate it.

User-friendly bliss.

Machines are just a means to an end, not an end in themselves.

If I want record a movie I do not want to sit there for an hour figuring out how on earth to program the machine.

I want it to be a simple, intuitively understandable and straightforward affair that you can easily achieve without a manual.
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