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Old Jul 29, 2011, 12:23pm   #11
 
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Cloud Computing is analogue of public toilets and public baths from victorian era.

Good choice for dirty open source pennyless communists.
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Old Jul 29, 2011, 12:41pm   #12
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Loved the analogy. I really can't imagine whey any sane, intelligent individual (or company for that matter!) would risk depositing their data of any kind in The Cloud.

And before anyone says they only put their media files out there you'll excuse my cynicism in believing owners and operators of Cloud based facilities (even discounting the hackers thereof) have access to far more than you probably want them to or that they claim to have access to. If the facility to up/down load to/from The Cloud is enabled, regardless of any apparent safeguard you believe is in place to limit the type and location of data accessible, you have effectively opened the door to security breach of your data, and the device(s) upon which that data resides.

Even the increasingly popular googlemail sync with contacts and emails has enormous implications for access violation and unauthorised data utilisation. And even if it was ‘just’ your contacts and ‘just’ your calendar – do you have any idea just how useful that data is and just how easily it could be used against you?

If the intelligent and technologically savvy users needs to keep their wits about them to avoid the often default ‘let us look at everything, it’s ok’ options when installing and utilising new applications, the generally uninformed and clueless mass of humanity that feels The Cloud is a ‘good thin’g will likely be a virtual open book for all who care to read him.
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Old Jul 29, 2011, 12:58pm   #13
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Maybe it presents security in another way?

There will be so much data available, finding anything specific of any use will be very difficult?
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Old Jul 29, 2011, 2:12pm   #14
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If your data is confidential encrypt it and provide the key through your SSH session when you start the instance and application(s). In principle the system admins could examine your instance's virtual memory contents to get your data in clear text form - but realistically I expect they have other tasks that fill their time.
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Old Jul 29, 2011, 2:31pm   #15
 
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yes. in public bath you can also pretend to have privacy if you bathe wearing veil.
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Old Jul 29, 2011, 2:38pm   #16
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Think of your computer as being just a terminal tied into the mainframe. Without the mainframe the terminal cannot function. The mainframe stores all apps, files, directories, etc and doles out processor time to each terminal.

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Old Jul 29, 2011, 7:58pm   #17
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It's all about the transfer of control from you to the cloud, which goes a long way to explain why apple love it so much. If apple could take control of the air you breathe, they surely would.

We're being sold a dis-jointed array of technologies, SATA 3, before most things can even get to 3GBps, 64 bit architectures when the software mainly isn't up to it and still prefers 32 bit , and graphics cards that burn a hole in your electric,as well as pockets, point being of course... this is good old fashioned choice and it's exiting to make a rig, do the research, figure out what you need and how fast you want to go

Whereas cloud computing, you've not made any decision really other than to log on to the specified service. That's bland and boring but more than that there's just no creativity.
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Old Jul 29, 2011, 8:08pm   #18
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Whereas cloud computing, you've not made any decision really other than to log on to the specified service. That's bland and boring but more than that there's just no creativity.
Which is precisely why it's so popular. No point wasting energy or effort doing all that original, creative, intelligent stuff.

Just use what they dish up and don’t think too hard about nuthin’…
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Old Jul 29, 2011, 9:39pm   #19
 
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It's all about the transfer of control from you to the cloud, which goes a long way to explain why apple love it so much. If apple could take control of the air you breathe, they surely would.

We're being sold a dis-jointed array of technologies, SATA 3, before most things can even get to 3GBps, 64 bit architectures when the software mainly isn't up to it and still prefers 32 bit , and graphics cards that burn a hole in your electric,as well as pockets, point being of course... this is good old fashioned choice and it's exiting to make a rig, do the research, figure out what you need and how fast you want to go

Whereas cloud computing, you've not made any decision really other than to log on to the specified service. That's bland and boring but more than that there's just no creativity.
For most users buying a PC for browsing 95% of the time is like taking the Rolls to your corner shop. Total waste of of processing power, money and energy.

Its based on requirements and what one wants.

For graphics - design and games
For processing - numbers etc ok PC is kewl.

For data processing, email, browsing and simple presentations etc most working popullation it is excess.

Horses for courses...

The anology with Victorian toilets and baths made me laugh. Privacy is well over-rated anyway. Officials and undoubtedly some hackers can hop into any computer in the world at the turn of a switch. Even when it is off in many cases.

Best way to hide info is to make it available in abundance.
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Old Jul 29, 2011, 10:33pm   #20
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For most users buying a PC for browsing 95% of the time is like taking the Rolls to your corner shop. Total waste of of processing power, money and energy.

Its based on requirements and what one wants.

For graphics - design and games
For processing - numbers etc ok PC is kewl.

For data processing, email, browsing and simple presentations etc most working popullation it is excess.

Horses for courses...
And the analogies flow so I'll try one - cloud computing is like trading! you buy your 'receiver' which I'll call the new 'pc's' off the line that do this and hook up to this thing, you hope or bank on it doing what you want to do, even improving what you want to do....but that mightn't be so, and the thing may go down hill as easy as uphill, especially as (inevitably) advertising revenue starts to creep in and people start getting remotely bugged by that tit from go compare et al, and are less able to do something about all the methods used because the tech is their side, not yours remember.... the promoters know this, the advertisers know this, and apple, of course knows this. Perhaps what we'll see is the internet turn into a monthly telly service, but you're stuck with what's on the box at the end of the day. And to be honest, for those that want that, good, they never had a brain in the first place.

I agree the hardware exceeds the software and also that the hardware exceed most people's heaviest use, but then don't forget gaming, if you want a stand alone none dependent gaming unit you need top end everything and that's not something a cloud can replace as if it's beaming your gameplay, and this has been significantly looked at, you get the sony scandals the credit cards, it's really simple, data protection is key and that's removed in cloud computing to at the very most a wholey unearned trust placed in your service provider

Back to trading though, quads and doubles and decent ram don't half make excel go faster, and if you're crunching numbers on an industrial scale, I think a high end PC is essential..........oh wait the cloud can do that too, and it really can, - many CPU's will outcrunch any stand alone CPU, but at least my way my personal data stays personal.
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