mind traps affecting traders

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Old Apr 23, 2017, 9:36am   #1
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mind traps affecting traders

There is a lot of educational information on google search about mind traps and also pdfs.The same mind traps apply to trading.

There is an underlying layer of consciousness—call it the automatic mind—that processes information automatically without conscious awareness. We engage our automatic mind in virtually everything we do. While putting on a trade , for example, our conscious attention may be focused on what so-and-so said today while our automatic mind is fast at work continually calibrating the movements of our hands on the mouse . We shift seamlessly to conscious attention whenever the need arises ("Better get to the right. My exit is coming up."), but otherwise we execute thousands of discrete movements of hand with little if any direct awareness of them. Think about it: Are you aware of how many times you entered and exited trades without any reasons?

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seach google with words "psychological mind traps pdf".
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourc...cal+mind+traps

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/educ...e-reality.html

The Article is informing where traders can mess up with information processing ,traders must trade by processing information. Unfortunately, humans are not very effective information processors. We have a lot of influences that enter into information processing related to trading decisions.Traders who sit infront of screens are more at risk to misprocessing information.

Traders trade their beliefs ,cognitive biases and related distortions ,emotions ,stress responses (rective patterns ,freezing on trigger ,mistakes etc),subjective anylysis ,personality( Perfectionism ,Worry ,Overconfidence,
Negative Thinking.Self-blame etc),state of mind ,current body condition (tired ,fatigue,sleepless) and other influences .The trading phsychology is a complex subject ,the author has given a summary.


http://www.trade2win.com/boards/educ...ml#post2895796
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 6:33pm   #2
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The need to be right about placing trades plays an important part in their decision to day trade , secondly they get immediate action in the market .How does a new trader know , if the price will be higher or lower tommorow ? There are two fears that make them decide when to trade and what to trade , these are

Fear of Not Being Right :They could be wrong on a trade they have no certainty about

-Fear of Loss :They could suffer a loss on a trade they have no certainty about

In trading , when putting on a trade , we exit a trade when it moves a few ticks against us , we are constrantly re-entering into trades when it catches our direction and getting out of trades , when it it again moves a few ticks against us.This is a need to be right , in our brain calling the shots.

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourc...+right&tbm=vid
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 6:52pm   #3
 
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Look this is so much BS. Either you have an edge or you don't. No mental toughness or "corrected processing of info" (whatever that is) will help stave off the losses.

Does psyche play a role in stressful risk taking, yes I agree. Must get your mind right, but without that sucessful strategy built on a solid edge won't matter your mind a steel trap.

It's the edge that mostly matters.
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 7:30pm   #4
 
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a mind trap is something like the trap at bottom of your tub. filters all the crap & bs but at some point ..

you have to deal with it.
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 7:53pm   #5
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a mind trap is something like the trap at bottom of your tub. filters all the crap & bs but at some point ..

you have to deal with it.
Watch this video on youtube , it will improve your understanding of your trading brain.You can improve your brain for trading.Traders try to be perfectionists and miss trades ,they close trades early ,if trade is not perfect.

Search"Procrastination & the "Perfectionist"

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourc...nation&tbm=vid
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Watch this video on youtube , it will improve your understanding of your trading brain.You can improve your brain for trading.Traders try to be perfectionists and miss trades ,they close trades early ,if trade is not perfect.

Search"Procrastination & the "Perfectionist"

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourc...nation&tbm=vid
i will ty. before ido...

Traders DO try to be "right", traders want to be right, who doesn't want to be right.

there are very few perfect trades, and often as traders we must close "early" only to see it run hard in our direction. too often we hold on to that perfect trade too long. give too much back, or get burned altogether lots of traders take too many, and many don't take enough.

and, what the hell are we talking about here lol
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i will ty. before ido...

Traders DO try to be "right", traders want to be right, who doesn't want to be right.

there are very few perfect trades, and often as traders we must close "early" only to see it run hard in our direction. too often we hold on to that perfect trade too long. lots of traders take too many, and many don't take enough.

and, what the hell are we talking about here lol
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 8:12pm   #8
 
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wow, that's profound. rather than finger i'll make a fist

next time i

want

to

be

right

knock myself out

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here's some fuzzy logic for you. if you are not right, you are wrong. and if you are wrong you are losing money.

you show me ONE instance where being wrong is a consistent strategy for being successful?
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 8:21pm   #10
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here's some fuzzy logic for you. if you are not right, you are wrong. and if you are wrong you are losing money.

you show me ONE instance where being wrong is a consistent strategy for being successful?
We all want to be right , but when trading in a choppy/mixed market , you go long ...price goes lower , you go short price goes higher , so the subconcious battle starts with auto pilot in the brain fighting the reactive patterns.

so you are long but market triggres your need to be on the right side of the trade , so you go short ......................It is a mind trap
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We all want to be right , but when trading in a choppy/mixed market , you go long ...price goes lower , you go short price goes higher , so the subconcious battle starts with auto pilot in the brain fighting the reactive patterns.

so you are long but market triggres your need to be on the right side of the trade , so you go short ......................It is a mind trap
where is the "mind trap" your trades lost. you were WRONG.

If you were RIGHT, you'd have won.

you still haven't told me why i shouldn't be right, or strive for being right.

In your example i was wrong, and i paid dearly for it.
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 8:26pm   #12
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foroom lluzers started this thread 1. ALL-OR-NOTHING THINKING You see things in black-or-white categories. If a situation is
anything less than perfect, you see it as a total failure.
2. OVERGENERALIZATION You see a single event as a never-ending pattern of defeat by
using the words ALWAYS or NEVER when you think about it.
3. MENTAL FILTER You pick out a single negative detail and dwell on it exclusively. One word of
criticism erases all the praise you've received.
4. DISCOUNTING THE POSITIVE You reject positive experiences by insisting they "don't count."
If you do a good job, you tell yourself that anyone could have done as well.
5. JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS You interpret things negatively when there are no facts to
support your conclusion. Two common variations are MIND-READING (you arbitrarily
conclude that someone is reacting negatively to you) and FORTUNE-TELLLING (you assume
and predict that things will turn out badly.)
6. MAGNIFICATION You exaggerate the importance of your problems and shortcomings, or
you minimize your desirable qualities. This is also called the "binocular trick."
7. EMOTIONAL REASONING You assume that your negative emotions reflect the way things
really are: "I feel guilty. I must be a rotten person."
8. "SHOULD" STATEMENTS You tell yourself that things should be the way you hoped or
expected them to be. Many people try to motivate themselves with SHOULDS and
SHOULDN'TS, as if they had to be punished before the could be expected to do anything.
9. LABELING This is an extreme form of all-or-nothing thinking. Instead of saying "I made a
mistake," you attach a negative label to yourself:"I'm a loser."
10. PERSONALIZATION AND BLAME You hold yourself personally responsible for events that
aren't entirely under your control.
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where is the "mind trap" your trades lost. you were WRONG.

If you were RIGHT, you'd have won.
Only real traders can experience it!
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 8:29pm   #14
 
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keep it coming i love it!

there must be more to your thesis..you are holding back on good stuff
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 8:45pm   #15
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foroom lluzers started this thread For those who want to learn about mind traps , the same type of human mind traps apply to trading .I read these and apply them to trading situations.

Deadly Mind Traps
Simple cognitive errors can have disastrous consequences—unless you know how to watch out for them.

The hiker who leaves a well-marked trail and wanders off, cross-country. The pilot who flies his perfectly maintained airplane into the ground. The kayaker who dives into a hydraulic whitewater "grinder" even though he's just seen it suck three buddies to their doom. "Gee," you think when you hear such tales, "I'd never do something like that."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/arti...dly-mind-traps

http://www.hamiltonhealthsciences.ca...atement-lw.pdf

http://botfl.nd.edu/Readings/The-Hidden-Traps.pdf

• You have incorrect or exaggerated assumptions about the way things should be.
You criticize yourself when you don’t live up to your expectations.
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