Limit Your Trading Hours

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Hi all, this is my first post on here and being a novice at it I'm not 100% sure I'm even posting this is the right area! Anyway, I thought I'd cut and paste my latest blog entry I wrote yesterday about limiting your time in front of the charts. Hope it's useful and relevant to you.

When I first started trading fulltime, I was sitting in front of my monitor from 7am until 4pm or 5pm. I was taking breaks here and there but essentially I was giving it 9 or 10 hours of my life every day Monday to Friday. By Friday afternoon I was wiped out by the effort and even by Wednesday I wasn’t at my best.

I’ve learnt through bitter experience that once I have reached my daily goal of points, I should stop and leave the markets to their own devices until the next day. If I don’t I end up giving back my profits, getting frustrated, I start overtrading and what could have been a relatively stress free profitable hour or two of trading turns into an emotionally draining 6 or 7 hours where I will usually look to other markets to get my profits and I end up negative on the day. Of course, there are exceptions to this rule and it’s those days I remember when I carry on but the reality is that the more time I give trading on any given day, the less profitable I am.

The key therefore to being a consistently profitable day trader is to limit your time in front of the computer to no more than 2 or 3 hours a day. The objective should be to make that quality, well focused time during which you are waiting for the market to give you signals to trade and hopefully enough points to make your daily or weekly target.

It takes practice and discipline to stick to your rules and keeping to a set number of hours is part of this. If you trade fulltime don’t be fooled into thinking that you need to be sat at your desk for 8 hours a day looking at charts. It’s an easy trap to fall into but remember unlike 9 – 5 jobs there’s little correlation between time/effort and the money you make and in fact I would say there’s a inverse relationship between two. In other words, the more time you commit to trading during the day, the less money you will make. Tim, www.eminifuturesblog.com
 
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Welcome to the forum - very good post. Sounds like a learning curve I've been through.
 
I agree that once you've reached a level of competence you can spend less time in front of the screen, however, the job is still full time/no switch off button IMHO. When awake I'm in trading mode for the duration.
 
I agree you have to make hours which you spend on trading and stay out of the market the rest of the time.This is especially true for people who get a little obsessed and have to watch the market all the time.It becomes their live and they do little else.They have to force themselves to stick to their artifical "work" hours.

they will be a hell of a lot happier and will propably trade better.

Sorry, but this always makes me smile. I spent some time in the City last week, observed some guys who will probably take bonuses home that would make your eyes bleed, most on here will take ten years to earn as much. They don't work hard, heh I know a grave digger on minimum wage who is one of the hardest working guys I know, rain, snow, freeze, he'll dig (plays a top midfielder general role on Sunday for his local pub team too)...

The city guys put in the hours like you wouldn't believe, playing the great game of money spoof/liar's poker on a grand scale and whilst not deserving of their largesse many of them (at certain levels) put in the hours and hours of screen time to obtain it.

Wannabbee "happy"? Fook that, I'll make my own happiness next year when I reach the targets I'm already setting myself for 2010...not getting enough time to spend with the kids? I'm constantly involved in a running commentary with my kids (even when trading) as they're in and out, I'm ferrying them everywhere, watching them involved in sports/activities.... and I'm sure If they can have a three holidays next year, or spend all summer in the flat I intend to buy in Nice and Dad can't make it 'cos he's too busy trying to make money, they'll happily send me a postcard/text me/e-mail catch me on twitter...:D
 
Hey

I can easilty spend 8 hours scanning the charts looking for opportunity.Hell i enjoy it.But i have read posts of people who spends too much time in front of the charts admitting that the market has become a obsession and they get burnt out.That's why these people should create for themselves an artifical 'work' day.and stick to it.

Trading is not like a normal job where the more time you spend the more productive you are.Although there is a link between effort and results it can't be compared to a normal job.plus overtrading can lead to serios problems.becoming obsessed with the markets many people will burn out.raghee horner in her books makes a piont of "stopping to smell the roses''Meaning that there is a whole world out there beyond the room you trade in and you should take enough time away from the market to enjoy it.

Though if you dont' feel tired or excausted you won't want to take a little time off.Just be carefull that the market does not become your life.
 
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Hey

I can easilty spend 8 hours scanning the charts looking for opportunity.Hell i enjoy it.But i have read posts of people who spends too much time in front of the charts admitting that the market has become a obsession and they get burnt out.That's why these people should create for themselves an artifical 'work' day.and stick to it.

plus overtrading can lead to serios problems.becoming obsessed with the markets many people will burn out.raghee horner in her books makes a piont of "stopping to smell the roses''Meaning that there is a whole world out there beyond the room you trade in and you should take enough time away from the market to enjoy it.

Though if you dont' feel tired or excausted you won't want to take a little time off.Just be carefull that the market does not become your life.

Thanks for taking the time to comment. Whatever works for you, the results ie. profits are the only thing that matter, do whatever you need to get them. My biggest fear is that having sat in front of the PC for 8 plus hours a day every day for the next 10 years of my life and not make any more money than I have today or worse, lose money. Touch wood that'll never happen but for me, if it was to, I feel it would be a tragic waste of my life. Trading for me is a means to an end not the end itself, life is too rich and varied to be sitting in front a monitor any longer than I have to.
 
Hey; Absolutely agree...

The problem is with the E-mini S&P 500 is that the volatility in the first hour or even first 15-minute/30 is pretty high; So you can gain a good profit and feel your on a roll but in reality; the volatility breaksdown after that, deceptively and you start trading with much lower realistic targets; with the addition of commisions.

So in the morning your wins will be relatively nice and the rest of the day you give it back, just due to the lower volatility and commisions.
Technically; if you have a P.E, the more trades the better - Most people don't realise though that the conditions are different throughout the day; So if you made some good profit in the morning, then at lunch you'll be trading the same moves but you'll need like 1/4 of the target as it lacks momentum.

Cheers
 
Hi Tim,
Welcome to T2W.
I agree with the sentiments expressed above - good debut post! One small thing, please refrain from adding a link to the commercial website in your posts as this is a breach of the T2W Site Guidelines. It's fine to link to your private blog - so long as you're not selling anything. Thank you for your co-operation and we look forward to your contributions.
;)
Tim.
 
Hey; Absolutely agree...

The problem is with the E-mini S&P 500 is that the volatility in the first hour or even first 15-minute/30 is pretty high; So you can gain a good profit and feel your on a roll but in reality; the volatility breaksdown after that, deceptively and you start trading with much lower realistic targets; with the addition of commisions.

So in the morning your wins will be relatively nice and the rest of the day you give it back, just due to the lower volatility and commisions.

Cheers

So then if you've made some profits and you've reached your allowance of 3 or 4 trades, doesn't it make sense to stop and turn off the PC?
 
Hi Tim,
Welcome to T2W.
I agree with the sentiments expressed above - good debut post! One small thing, please refrain from adding a link to the commercial website in your posts as this is a breach of the T2W Site Guidelines. It's fine to link to your private blog - so long as you're not selling anything. Thank you for your co-operation and we look forward to your contributions.
;)
Tim.

Hi Tim, sure understood, the blog is private as you can see there're no adverts, etc.
 
So then if you've made some profits and you've reached your allowance of 3 or 4 trades, doesn't it make sense to stop and turn off the PC?
I usually hit my target in the first 5-10 minutes due to momentum and volatility.
& Spend the next 2 hours making about 0.25 :LOL:

After that; Being in the UK - I just finish because @ 5pm, even though i've only been trading 2 1/2 hours, i'm kind of 'done', the way i trade too is so intensive that i can't really do much more than 2 1/2 hours...
Really i should just stop after the first 30-minutes; Something stops me from doing that though, not sure what

:smart: I guess i'm not working if its only 30-minutes in the day :p
 
Making money is always a good thing. However,it is not always the most important. Anyone I have ever talked to does not, upon looking back, remember the things bought for them as kids as much as the things done with them. Make your way as a trader but make your mark as a man.
 
You got no patience boy LOL........................
Time and sales momentum
Big gap down (Which recently has led to big lower directional moves)
Open 1 tick below my hourly support. (Breakout)
& 2.30pm - A time of great momentum

What else do you need!?

A gap down like that is bound to create a bunch of sell orders and panic :D If i was long, i too would be like 'Crap' and then originally i'd hope it would rise and then, after seeing it fall a bit and hurt my heart a bit, with such speed, i would sell = Momentum
 
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I haven't got the patience to trade like you. You know me, longer timeframes. I think it'll go further south over the next few days.
 
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